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On 27/01/2008 12:43, Stephen Wilson wrote:

Aggy, as usual, has confused the issue. He's also cross-posted this thread
at a point where he's cut any context that shows what I was trying
(unsuccessfully) to explain to him. Here is an earlier part of the thread:

I did give you the benefit of the doubt over the ambiguity in what I saw
quoted.

Me: A friend of mine has just bought a Combo VHS/DVD recorder. Built-in
digital tuner as well so it's compatible with Freeview, Sky and Virgin.
Makes it easy to record onto video or DVD...

The digital tuner does make it compatible with Freeview, however it does
nothing to make it (any more or any less) compatible with Sky or Virgin.

Aggy: So you are claiming it can pick up Satellite, Cable and Freeview. How?

Me: I said it is compatible. Maybe this is another word you don't understand
the meaning of.

I think you are the source of the confusion, the box as a whole is
compatible with Sky or Virgin *when plugged into one of their boxes* but
this is not a feature of its digital tuner.

The recorder has a digital tuner. So you plug the receiver of
your choice into the recorder using a scart lead. It can then record the
digital channel of your choice without having to change any settings on the
receiver itself, thus enabling you to record one digital channel whilst
watching another.

ok, yes it can, but it is the recorders scart input which is providing
this facility, not the digital tuner as you seem(ed) to be saying.

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In article , Stephen Wilson
wrote:

"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
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Agamemnon wrote:

Although having said that, there are a number of DVD recorders on
the market now that have Freeview built in.

So what? That doesn't make them capable of picking up Sky or Virgin
or HellasSat2 or Hotbird.

Aggy, the font of all knowledge, has spoken. Total ******** again,
I'm afraid...

You are talking out of your ARSE as usual.

Am I right in thinking the OP assumes a digital tuner will allow him to
receive SKY and cable?

No. I never said that. That's just Aggy confusing the issue. I said that
a digital tuner means that a recorder is compatible with Sky and cable.
That means that if you plug you Sky box or your cable box into the
recorder, it is capable of tuning into all the available channels
independently of the Syy/cable/Freeview box.

I think not. A 'tuner' tunes to something. The output of a Sky box or
cable box, does not need tuning - that is what those devices do themselves.
If the recorder has a video input connection (probably SCART) then it can
record from a a Sky or cable box.

Not all recorders have the necessary digital encoders to permit recording
from outside sources.

The tuner part will be for DV-T where it "tunes" to various channels and
then records them.

--
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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On 27/01/2008 12:21, Stephen Wilson wrote:

I said that a digital tuner means that a recorder is compatible with Sky
and cable.

Sorry, but it doesn't. The digital tuner will only decode freeview (or
more precisely DVB-T) however it *will* be able to record Sky or cable via
an analogue input if fed from a Sky or cable STB.

That means that if you plug you Sky box or your cable box into the
recorder, it is capable of tuning into all the available channels
independently of the Syy/cable/Freeview box.

Wrong!

So perhaps you have another explanation for the way I managed watch Virgin 1
on the television at the same time that I was recording Sci-Fi, with only
one source of input - a Virgin STB.

You don't even have to take my word for it. Try
http://www.ricability-digitaltv.org....it-choices.htm
"Digital TV recorders (or PVRs) record on to their hard disc drive (HDD) and
give a good quality picture - in fact it should be identical to the original
broadcast. They are usually the easiest type of recorder to use. They have
the advantage over VCRs in that each recording is automatically indexed on
the disc, saving you all that trial and error fast winding of tapes.

A digital TV recorder with twin tuners can be used to record one digital
programme while you watch another. One with a single tuner can do this only
if used in conjunction with a set top box or iDTV, which brings its own
second tuner to the mix."

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On 27/01/2008 13:49, Stephen Wilson wrote:

"Andy Burns" wrote:

On 27/01/2008 12:21, Stephen Wilson wrote:

That means that if you plug you Sky box or your cable box into the
recorder, it is capable of tuning into all the available channels
independently of the Syy/cable/Freeview box.

Wrong!

So perhaps you have another explanation for the way I managed watch Virgin 1
on the television at the same time that I was recording Sci-Fi, with only
one source of input - a Virgin STB.

"it" (the recorder) may have *recorded* Sci-Fi, but the "it" doing the
*tuning* was your Virgin STB, not the recorder. Was Virgin1 tuned by the
recorder's freeview tuner, or your TV?

You don't even have to take my word for it.

Look, I know what you are trying to say, unfortunately you are saying it
such a way to confuse all around you, then you blame them when they try
to correct you.

"Digital TV recorders (or PVRs) record on to their hard disc drive (HDD) and
give a good quality picture
A digital TV recorder with twin tuners can be used to record one digital
programme while you watch another.

I know ... I've built one ...

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On 27/01/2008 13:49, Stephen Wilson wrote:

On 27/01/2008 12:21, Stephen Wilson wrote:

That means that if you plug you Sky box or your cable box into the
recorder, it is capable of tuning into all the available channels
independently of the Syy/cable/Freeview box.

So perhaps you have another explanation

Just to clarify, "it" is not capable of tuning all the available
Sky/Virgin channels independently, "it" is wholly DEPENDANT on the STB
doing the tuning.

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"Diane L." wrote:

Paul Heslop wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:

Although having said that, there are a number of DVD recorders on
the market now that have Freeview built in.

So what? That doesn't make them capable of picking up Sky or
Virgin or HellasSat2 or Hotbird.

Aggy, the font of all knowledge, has spoken. Total ******** again,
I'm afraid...

You are talking out of your ARSE as usual.

Am I right in thinking the OP assumes a digital tuner will allow him
to receive SKY and cable?

No. That's what Aggie understood but, as we all know, Aggie has
problems with the English language. The OP said that the digital
tuner *is compatible* with Sky and cable, meaning that if you
have the equipment to recieve the signals from those sources
you can use the DVD recorder to record them.

I don't think there's a machine on the
market capable of this. I guess that's another thing that isn't made
clear for some people, that it's a digital terrestrial tuner. Of
course some people might have seen sky users mention recording to
their DVD machines but that's done through an AV socket from a real
SKY box.

Which is what Stephen was talking about.

Diane L.

Oh good, I got it half right :O) I didn't see the OP, just Aggie's
post.
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Paul (We won't die of devotion)
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http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

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Stephen Wilson wrote:

"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
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Agamemnon wrote:

Although having said that, there are a number of DVD recorders on the
market now that have Freeview built in.

So what? That doesn't make them capable of picking up Sky or Virgin or
HellasSat2 or Hotbird.

Aggy, the font of all knowledge, has spoken. Total ******** again, I'm
afraid...

You are talking out of your ARSE as usual.

Am I right in thinking the OP assumes a digital tuner will allow him
to receive SKY and cable?

No. I never said that. That's just Aggy confusing the issue. I said that a
digital tuner means that a recorder is compatible with Sky and cable. That
means that if you plug you Sky box or your cable box into the recorder, it
is capable of tuning into all the available channels independently of the
Syy/cable/Freeview box.

Well, mine isn't, and none of mine have been. You can only record from
sky vie AV/scart sockets, you can't tune in any channels.

--
Paul (We won't die of devotion)
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Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

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charles wrote:

In article , Stephen Wilson
wrote:

"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
...
Agamemnon wrote:

Although having said that, there are a number of DVD recorders on
the market now that have Freeview built in.

So what? That doesn't make them capable of picking up Sky or Virgin
or HellasSat2 or Hotbird.

Aggy, the font of all knowledge, has spoken. Total ******** again,
I'm afraid...

You are talking out of your ARSE as usual.

Am I right in thinking the OP assumes a digital tuner will allow him to
receive SKY and cable?

No. I never said that. That's just Aggy confusing the issue. I said that
a digital tuner means that a recorder is compatible with Sky and cable.
That means that if you plug you Sky box or your cable box into the
recorder, it is capable of tuning into all the available channels
independently of the Syy/cable/Freeview box.

I think not. A 'tuner' tunes to something. The output of a Sky box or
cable box, does not need tuning - that is what those devices do themselves.
If the recorder has a video input connection (probably SCART) then it can
record from a a Sky or cable box.

that's it


--
Paul (We won't die of devotion)
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Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:21:42 GMT, "Stephen Wilson"
wrote:


"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
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Agamemnon wrote:

Although having said that, there are a number of DVD recorders on the
market now that have Freeview built in.

So what? That doesn't make them capable of picking up Sky or Virgin or
HellasSat2 or Hotbird.

Aggy, the font of all knowledge, has spoken. Total ******** again, I'm
afraid...

You are talking out of your ARSE as usual.

Am I right in thinking the OP assumes a digital tuner will allow him
to receive SKY and cable?

No. I never said that. That's just Aggy confusing the issue. I said that a
digital tuner means that a recorder is compatible with Sky and cable. That
means that if you plug you Sky box or your cable box into the recorder, it
is capable of tuning into all the available channels independently of the
Syy/cable/Freeview box.


Can you recommend the make and model, it sounds like just what I need.

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"Diane L." wrote in message
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Paul Heslop wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:

Although having said that, there are a number of DVD recorders on
the market now that have Freeview built in.

So what? That doesn't make them capable of picking up Sky or
Virgin or HellasSat2 or Hotbird.

Aggy, the font of all knowledge, has spoken. Total ******** again,
I'm afraid...

You are talking out of your ARSE as usual.

Am I right in thinking the OP assumes a digital tuner will allow him
to receive SKY and cable?

No. That's what Aggie understood but, as we all know, Aggie has

BULL****. That is exactly what the OP was implying and you are another
IGNORANT just like him.

problems with the English language. The OP said that the digital

No, it's you that have problems with English and every other language.

tuner *is compatible* with Sky and cable, meaning that if you
have the equipment to recieve the signals from those sources
you can use the DVD recorder to record them.

He said NOTING OF THE KIND!


I don't think there's a machine on the
market capable of this. I guess that's another thing that isn't made
clear for some people, that it's a digital terrestrial tuner. Of
course some people might have seen sky users mention recording to
their DVD machines but that's done through an AV socket from a real
SKY box.

Which is what Stephen was talking about.

No he wasn't.


Diane L.