It never ceases to amaze me...
 

Roderick Stewart wrote (apparently) in uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu 31
Jan 2008 19:17:30:

In article , Sam Nelson wrote:
According to a documentary I watched some months ago it's
entirely the opposite. Tests done showed that any sanitation
unit installed within a home caused contamination throughout
the home whereas those (very few these days) homes with only
outside loos had virtually none. It was fascinating and also
rather disturbing :-(

It's certainly true that, with the introduction of the `water
closet' our Victorian ancestors were initially reluctant to
allow them into their homes for fear of `bad air'. *Those
outside toilets were a deliberate choice.

They probably didn't have automatic extractor fans with timers in
those days. I think there's a rule that hotel en-suite bogs have
to have them, but you rarely see them in homes even today.

Rod.

Hmm, Building Regulations for homes say different and have done
since the nineties. However, after the nice man from Building
Control has signed the property off as habitable, many things get
altered, or removed, or disconnected. Especially as the cheapest
extractor fans either die or get very noisy within weeks.

I should mention that I sell ventilation equipment at work, and have
the utter joy of speaking to various Building Control departments on
a fairly regular basis.
--
MrGuest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere

It never ceases to amaze me...
 

In article , Mr Guest wrote:
Hmm, Building Regulations for homes say different and have done*
since the nineties. However, after the nice man from Building*
Control has signed the property off as habitable, many things get*
altered, or removed, or disconnected. Especially as the cheapest*
extractor fans either die or get very noisy within weeks.

You'd think people would apply *higher* standards in their own homes,
because they have to live with the results. I can see why they wouldn't
want to if it was stupidly expensive, but in many cases it's just a
matter of choosing carefully and only paying a little more.

When I had my bathroom refitted, one thing I was very glad to change
was an ancient extractor fan fixed to the plasterboard of the ceiling
and hardly ever used because of the excruciating noise it made. I asked
them to fit a fan like the ones in hotels, and they did. The fan itself
is some distance away in the loft, fed by flexible ducting,
acoustically isolated from the ceiling, and quite powerful. All you can
hear is the rush of air, and it keeps going for about 25 minutes after
the light is switched off. Even though the bathroom is surrounded by
other rooms and has no exterior windows, there is now no condensation
whatsoever on the walls, ever, and no nasty smells.

I'm not sure exactly how much extra it cost, but the electricians would
have had to go into the loft and wire up something anyway, and there
would have been ducting anyway, so the difference is probably just the
extra for the superior fan itself, so probably not much at all.

Rod.

It never ceases to amaze me...
 

In article ,
Mr Guest wrote:
They probably didn't have automatic extractor fans with timers in
those days. I think there's a rule that hotel en-suite bogs have
to have them, but you rarely see them in homes even today.

Rod.

Hmm, Building Regulations for homes say different and have done
since the nineties. However, after the nice man from Building
Control has signed the property off as habitable, many things get
altered, or removed, or disconnected. Especially as the cheapest
extractor fans either die or get very noisy within weeks.

Thought you only needed an extractor fan (regs wise) in a bathroom without
an opening window?

--
*Change is inevitable ... except from vending machines *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

It never ceases to amaze me...
 

Dave Plowman (News) wrote (apparently) in uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri
01 Feb 2008 00:07:39:

In article ,
Mr Guest wrote:
They probably didn't have automatic extractor fans with timers
in those days. I think there's a rule that hotel en-suite bogs
have to have them, but you rarely see them in homes even
today.

Rod.

Hmm, Building Regulations for homes say different and have done
since the nineties. However, after the nice man from Building
Control has signed the property off as habitable, many things
get altered, or removed, or disconnected. Especially as the
cheapest extractor fans either die or get very noisy within
weeks.

Thought you only needed an extractor fan (regs wise) in a
bathroom without an opening window?

Aye, but the noise and irritation problems tend to occur in en-suite
bathrooms that are completely internal - obviouly the occupants are
irritated by how they work with the light.

At work we tend to ignore other controls and say that a normal/boost
switch must be fitted somewhere, and the occupier can determine what
they want to do with it.
--
MrGuest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere

It never ceases to amaze me...
 

Roderick Stewart wrote (apparently) in uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri 01
Feb 2008 00:07:24:

In article , Mr Guest wrote:
Hmm, Building Regulations for homes say different and have done*
since the nineties. However, after the nice man from Building*
Control has signed the property off as habitable, many things
get* altered, or removed, or disconnected. Especially as the
cheapest* extractor fans either die or get very noisy within
weeks.

You'd think people would apply *higher* standards in their own
homes, because they have to live with the results. I can see why
they wouldn't want to if it was stupidly expensive, but in many
cases it's just a matter of choosing carefully and only paying a
little more.

When I had my bathroom refitted, one thing I was very glad to
change was an ancient extractor fan fixed to the plasterboard of
the ceiling and hardly ever used because of the excruciating
noise it made. I asked them to fit a fan like the ones in hotels,
and they did. The fan itself is some distance away in the loft,
fed by flexible ducting, acoustically isolated from the ceiling,
and quite powerful. All you can hear is the rush of air, and it
keeps going for about 25 minutes after the light is switched off.
Even though the bathroom is surrounded by other rooms and has no
exterior windows, there is now no condensation whatsoever on the
walls, ever, and no nasty smells.

I'm not sure exactly how much extra it cost, but the electricians
would have had to go into the loft and wire up something anyway,
and there would have been ducting anyway, so the difference is
probably just the extra for the superior fan itself, so probably
not much at all.

Rod.

The premises we operate out of at the moment have toilet facilities
included with the world's worst extractor fans. We worked out that
to suggest a different solution, the parts required and the sorting
out would cost more than a month's rent and dropped the idea of
making any further suggestions...
--
MrGuest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere

It never ceases to amaze me...
 

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:55:00 GMT, Johnny B Good
wrote:

The message
from Andy Wade contains these words:

Marky P wrote:

Omly peeing aloud in the chemical toilet.

But I thought the p was silent ...

Only if your name is Rick. :-)

Whoops! I meant allowed :-)

Marky P.

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In message , Ashley Booth
wrote


It can take some time just to find the English section. :)

This morning I received a document from the NHS - it came with pamphlet
in 24 languages!

--
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news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:35:38 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

I don't know why manufacturers economise on the instruction book. Getting it
right adds so much perceived value to the product.

Terratec have obviously realized this and provide good instruction books
with their products. The style however in some sections can be very
informal and unlike other manufacturers go out of their way to explain
some of the technical details and less obvious features of the product.

It never ceases to amaze me...
 

In article ,
Roderick Stewart wrote:

In article , Kay Robinson wrote:

Real men don't read instruction manuals.

True, they usually spend hours on the phone to me asking 'how do I do
(whatever)?' One friend make a deliberate point of throwing all
leaflets, booklets etc out with the wrapping.

I *always* read instruction manuals, but generally the standard of
clarity is utterly appalling, so I'm not surprised that many people
give up all hope of finding anything helpful in them. Even after you've
discarded the 90% or so that isn't in English or doesn't apply to the
particular model of whatever it is you've bought, it's very rare that
what remains will explain in simple terms what you actually want to
know, and no absolute guarantee that it's correct either.

At Christmas, one family member was given a shredder. Yes, you've guessed
it, he accidentally shredded the manual whilst having a quick play...


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In article ,
charles wrote:

In article ,
Chas Gill wrote:

I've just bought a digital camera on line and it's clearly an import
form the USA (it even has the USA name for the camera - which is not
the same as the UK name). The battery charger comes with two flat
blade-type pins with holes in - typical USA sh1t mains plug
(incidentally WTF ARE the holes for?).

The holes are there for a retaining device, such as a sprung ball. This
will also give a better current carrying contact are.

Oh, I always wondered why. Thanks.


Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

Lol, our other computer is on 5.11 (it's in the media room).

I take it that you didn't fancy paying for 5.12 either? :)


Tennant Stuart

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