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Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
Sky HD boxes to get new EPG this year
Wednesday, January 16 2008, 10:08 GMT By James Welsh, International Editor Sky has confirmed that its high definition boxes will get a new version of electronic programme guide software this year. Details of the new guide software first emerged in November, and at that time it was understood that newer Sky+ and Sky HD boxes would be upgraded. Now Sky has confirmed that only HD boxes will receive the upgrade. The current 4 top level options (TV Guide, Box Office, Services and Interactive) are to be replaced with 10 options, in which television, radio and interactive services will be listed separately. Other alterations including a 1/8th size mini-TV display showing video from channels as they are selected in the TV Guide are also planned. Sky has told broadcasters that it "expects to introduce a new version of its EPG software for HD set top boxes at some time during 2008". It added: "The new version of the EPG software will have separate menus for television channels (the TV Guide menu), radio stations (the Radio menu) and interactive services (the Interactive menu)." |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"Ed" wrote in message ... Sky HD boxes to get new EPG this year Wednesday, January 16 2008, 10:08 GMT By James Welsh, International Editor Sky has confirmed that its high definition boxes will get a new version of electronic programme guide software this year. just hope it doesn't wipe out the already programmed shows. it would be nice if it took advantage of HD resolution and typical screen size to fit more than a couple of hours of shows onscreen at once. -- Gareth. That fly... is your magic wand. http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/ |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
Brian Gaff wrote:
It would be nice if they would build on the groundbreaking work they did for the blind viewer with audio description available before anyone else, and make the menus talk so we can actually use them. Brian And, maybe for us who do not need flippy flappy woman, to have the option to remove them from the channel stream. Gaz Sky HD boxes to get new EPG this year Wednesday, January 16 2008, 10:08 GMT By James Welsh, International Editor Sky has confirmed that its high definition boxes will get a new version of electronic programme guide software this year. Details of the new guide software first emerged in November, and at that time it was understood that newer Sky+ and Sky HD boxes would be upgraded. Now Sky has confirmed that only HD boxes will receive the upgrade. The current 4 top level options (TV Guide, Box Office, Services and Interactive) are to be replaced with 10 options, in which television, radio and interactive services will be listed separately. Other alterations including a 1/8th size mini-TV display showing video from channels as they are selected in the TV Guide are also planned. Sky has told broadcasters that it "expects to introduce a new version of its EPG software for HD set top boxes at some time during 2008". It added: "The new version of the EPG software will have separate menus for television channels (the TV Guide menu), radio stations (the Radio menu) and interactive services (the Interactive menu)." |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
Ed wrote:
Sky HD boxes to get new EPG this year Wednesday, January 16 2008, 10:08 GMT By James Welsh, International Editor Sky has confirmed that its high definition boxes will get a new version of electronic programme guide software this year. Details of the new guide software first emerged in November, and at that time it was understood that newer Sky+ and Sky HD boxes would be upgraded. Now Sky has confirmed that only HD boxes will receive the upgrade. The current 4 top level options (TV Guide, Box Office, Services and Interactive) are to be replaced with 10 options, in which television, radio and interactive services will be listed separately. Other alterations including a 1/8th size mini-TV display showing video from channels as they are selected in the TV Guide are also planned. Sky has told broadcasters that it "expects to introduce a new version of its EPG software for HD set top boxes at some time during 2008". It added: "The new version of the EPG software will have separate menus for television channels (the TV Guide menu), radio stations (the Radio menu) and interactive services (the Interactive menu)." No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"Gaz" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: It would be nice if they would build on the groundbreaking work they did for the blind viewer with audio description available before anyone else, and make the menus talk so we can actually use them. Brian And, maybe for us who do not need flippy flappy woman, to have the option to remove them from the channel stream. Gaz Ignorant prick. Sky HD boxes to get new EPG this year Wednesday, January 16 2008, 10:08 GMT By James Welsh, International Editor Sky has confirmed that its high definition boxes will get a new version of electronic programme guide software this year. Details of the new guide software first emerged in November, and at that time it was understood that newer Sky+ and Sky HD boxes would be upgraded. Now Sky has confirmed that only HD boxes will receive the upgrade. The current 4 top level options (TV Guide, Box Office, Services and Interactive) are to be replaced with 10 options, in which television, radio and interactive services will be listed separately. Other alterations including a 1/8th size mini-TV display showing video from channels as they are selected in the TV Guide are also planned. Sky has told broadcasters that it "expects to introduce a new version of its EPG software for HD set top boxes at some time during 2008". It added: "The new version of the EPG software will have separate menus for television channels (the TV Guide menu), radio stations (the Radio menu) and interactive services (the Interactive menu)." |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"T U R D S" wrote in message ... "Gaz" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: It would be nice if they would build on the groundbreaking work they did for the blind viewer with audio description available before anyone else, and make the menus talk so we can actually use them. Brian And, maybe for us who do not need flippy flappy woman, to have the option to remove them from the channel stream. Gaz Ignorant prick. No, but I am sure you feel all warm and fuzzy inside saying it. The signing of shows is extremely irritating, and only done because OfCom mandate it. Nothing wrong with having signing as an interactive option, and then we all wont have to put up with it. Gaz |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"T U R D S" wrote in message
... Ignorant prick. Not really. Have deaf people not heard of these new things called subtitles? Fred. |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"Gaz" wrote in message ... No, but I am sure you feel all warm and fuzzy inside saying it. The signing of shows is extremely irritating, and only done because OfCom mandate it. Nothing wrong with having signing as an interactive option, and then we all wont have to put up with it. even the music channels are forced to do it. just the other night i saw such a thing - superimposed over a pop video was a fat woman wearing gaudy clothing. not only was she signing to the song, she was doing some kind of bizarre convulsive dance to go with it! -- Gareth. That fly... is your magic wand. http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/ |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
On Jan 17, 8:06*am, "the dog from that film you saw"
wrote: "Gaz" wrote in message ... No, but I am sure you feel all warm and fuzzy inside saying it. The signing of shows is extremely irritating, and only done because OfCom mandate it. Nothing wrong with having signing as an interactive option, and then we all wont have to put up with it. even the music channels are forced to do it. just the other night i saw such a thing - superimposed over a pop video was a fat woman wearing gaudy clothing. not only was she signing to the song, she was doing some kind of bizarre convulsive dance to go with it! -- Gareth. That fly... is your magic wand.http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/ Geri Halliwell's found work? |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
In article , Gaz
writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Malcolm H, I presume you've never used a TiVo? Had I not, and only had experience of Sky+, I'd probably go along with the people that think it's the best thing since sliced bread, unfortunately I didn't so, even after all these years I still find the Sky+ software woefully inadequate. -- Sean Black |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Gaz writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Malcolm H, I presume you've never used a TiVo? Had I not, and only had experience of Sky+, I'd probably go along with the people that think it's the best thing since sliced bread, unfortunately I didn't so, even after all these years I still find the Sky+ software woefully inadequate. -- Sean Black OK I confess. I have never used a TiVo - but I do find that the Sky+ functionality works well and reliably (most of the time). It does just about everything that I would expect - but no doubt it could be further improved! I would like: Smaller print to get more on a page A 'Back' facility to view the previously selected channel Programme information available without having to select the actual channel Less cumbersome 'Search' funtionality |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Gaz writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... So far it is reliable.. I have been getting my fill of HD movies... Gaz |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
In message , Gaz
writes "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Gaz writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... So far it is reliable.. I have been getting my fill of HD movies... Cheers, I'll look into that. -- Sean Black |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"Sean Black" wrote in message ... In message , Gaz writes "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Gaz writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... So far it is reliable.. I have been getting my fill of HD movies... Cheers, I'll look into that. -- Sean Black I agree completely. For ease of use the Tivo interface leaves Sky+ behind (I have both). Why Sky+ can't take some pointers (without infringing copyright) from the Tivo interface is beyond me. It's not the technology (my Tivo is over six years old) it's the skill of the EPG designer and programmer. The design appears to have been done by a six year old. |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
On 16 Jan, 23:51, "Gaz" wrote:
"T U R D S" wrote in . uk... "Gaz" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: It would be nice if they would build on the groundbreaking work they did for the blind viewer with audio description available before anyone else, and make the menus talk so we can actually use them. Brian And, maybe for us who do not need flippy flappy woman, to have the option to remove them from the channel stream. Gaz Ignorant prick. No, but I am sure you feel all warm and fuzzy inside saying it. The signing of shows is extremely irritating, and only done because OfCom mandate it. Nothing wrong with having signing as an interactive option, and then we all wont have to put up with it. Damn right. Note how "TURDS" has barely posted anything else but that nonsense reply. Broadcasters keep saying they can't make it optional, but they can certainly simulcast the alternative version on 'press red', so if it's primetime then deaf people can have a signed version and if it's middle of the night then vice versa, but no they don't. What's most telling is when I've read from deaf people on here in the past who've said that they find the signing just gets in the way and that they use the subtitles anyway. |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
On 19 Jan, 09:15, "mikes" wrote:
"Sean Black" wrote in message ... In message , Gaz writes "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Gaz writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... So far it is reliable.. I have been getting my fill of HD movies... Cheers, I'll look into that. -- Sean Black I agree completely. For ease of use the Tivo interface leaves Sky+ behind (I have both). Why Sky+ can't take some pointers (without infringing copyright) from the Tivo interface is beyond me. It's not the technology (my Tivo is over six years old) it's the skill of the EPG designer and programmer. The design appears to have been done by a six year old. When I saw the title of this thread, I thought why restrict the new EPG only to the Sky HD boxes and not all Sky boxes? And then I remembered - to make the cheaper alternative less palatable. They degraded the Sky analogue signal on purpose prior to the switchover to hasten its demise. |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... Can you provide a link to this software? Will it work on Series 1 UK TIvos?. Thanks. |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"mikes" wrote in message ... "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In message , Gaz writes "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Gaz writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... So far it is reliable.. I have been getting my fill of HD movies... Cheers, I'll look into that. -- Sean Black I agree completely. For ease of use the Tivo interface leaves Sky+ behind (I have both). Why Sky+ can't take some pointers (without infringing copyright) from the you cannot copyright a "look and feel" (something Apple spent a lot of money on finding out). tim |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
tim (not at home) wrote:
"mikes" wrote in message ... "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In message , Gaz writes "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Gaz writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... So far it is reliable.. I have been getting my fill of HD movies... Cheers, I'll look into that. -- Sean Black I agree completely. For ease of use the Tivo interface leaves Sky+ behind (I have both). Why Sky+ can't take some pointers (without infringing copyright) from the you cannot copyright a "look and feel" (something Apple spent a lot of money on finding out). tim Here's a list of TiVo's patents: http://tinyurl.com/2cyt43 -- Ashley For Windsor Weather see www.snglinks.com/wx |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"Ashley Booth" wrote in message ... tim (not at home) wrote: "mikes" wrote in message ... "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In message , Gaz writes "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Gaz writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... So far it is reliable.. I have been getting my fill of HD movies... Cheers, I'll look into that. -- Sean Black I agree completely. For ease of use the Tivo interface leaves Sky+ behind (I have both). Why Sky+ can't take some pointers (without infringing copyright) from the you cannot copyright a "look and feel" (something Apple spent a lot of money on finding out). tim Here's a list of TiVo's patents: http://tinyurl.com/2cyt43 US, I presume? In the US you can go and get a patent on something that's already available in the shops, and they won't notice. tim |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"mikes" wrote in message ... Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... Can you provide a link to this software? Will it work on Series 1 UK TIvos?. Thanks. Yes, it is specifically designed for uk tivo, it was originally used to get rid of the red interactive spot, and then modified to send the four pin numbers, and now to send the signal to the sky+ to record on hd channels. Do you have your Tivo networked?? http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=333397 Gaz |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"tim (not at home)" wrote in message ... "mikes" wrote in message ... "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In message , Gaz writes "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Gaz writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... So far it is reliable.. I have been getting my fill of HD movies... Cheers, I'll look into that. -- Sean Black I agree completely. For ease of use the Tivo interface leaves Sky+ behind (I have both). Why Sky+ can't take some pointers (without infringing copyright) from the you cannot copyright a "look and feel" (something Apple spent a lot of money on finding out). tim Tivo holds multiple patents on functionality, essentialyl crippling all none tivo based hd recorders. Their patents have been upheld in court, costing one firm, tens of millions of dollars i beleive. Gaz |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
On 19 Jan, 11:52, "tim \(not at home\)"
wrote: "mikes" wrote in message ... "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In message , Gaz writes "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Gaz writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... So far it is reliable.. I have been getting my fill of HD movies... Cheers, I'll look into that. -- Sean Black I agree completely. For ease of use the Tivo interface leaves Sky+ behind (I have both). Why Sky+ can't take some pointers (without infringing copyright) from the you cannot copyright a "look and feel" Then why do women object when you want to do that? :) |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"Gaz" wrote in message ... "tim (not at home)" wrote in message ... "mikes" wrote in message ... "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In message , Gaz writes "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Gaz writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... So far it is reliable.. I have been getting my fill of HD movies... Cheers, I'll look into that. -- Sean Black I agree completely. For ease of use the Tivo interface leaves Sky+ behind (I have both). Why Sky+ can't take some pointers (without infringing copyright) from the you cannot copyright a "look and feel" (something Apple spent a lot of money on finding out). tim Tivo holds multiple patents on functionality, essentialyl crippling all none tivo based hd recorders. Their patents have been upheld in court, costing one firm, tens of millions of dollars i beleive. To do with recording on an HD perhaps, but not for the format of their EPG. And in any case I presume that you just mean in the US, I see no-one getting sued in Europe. tim |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
On 19 Jan, 20:45, "tim \(not at home\)"
wrote: "Gaz" wrote in message ... "tim (not at home)" wrote in message ... "mikes" wrote in message ... "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In message , Gaz writes "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Gaz writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... So far it is reliable.. I have been getting my fill of HD movies... Cheers, I'll look into that. -- Sean Black I agree completely. For ease of use the Tivo interface leaves Sky+ behind (I have both). Why Sky+ can't take some pointers (without infringing copyright) from the you cannot copyright a "look and feel" (something Apple spent a lot of money on finding out). tim Tivo holds multiple patents on functionality, essentialyl crippling all none tivo based hd recorders. Their patents have been upheld in court, costing one firm, tens of millions of dollars i beleive. To do with recording on an HD perhaps, but not for the format of their EPG.. Have a look at some of the new Freeview Playback boxes. Was playing with a cheapy £80 Tesco version the other day. The EPG on that is done right... Proper conflict resolution (record the next showing of that episode on whatever channel it's on, automatically and silently) Record related programmes (recording Dr.Who should give you an option to record Dr.Who Confidential for example) Automatic seamless spanning of films that are split by the news (ie. it makes one recording, and cuts the news broadcast out of the middle) See all upcoming recordings of a series, and by extension know what is going to be recorded when (although no prioritisation control in the box I saw). Keeps your series link however long it takes for the series to restart (a thing I miss terribly from Tivo.. Biggest glaring bug in the Sky+ system). Hit record on a programme, the recording and all future recordings are marked on the EPG so you know you've done it. The EPG is variable size, so you can adjust it somewhat for your screen. Closest to Tivo I've seen so far (it looks like the BBC used the Tivo model as their EPG data which gives them this flexibility). All we're missing is suggestions and wishlists we're sorted as far as I can tell. Sky are of course in trouble now. Up until now people (Except ex/ current Tivo owners) have been thinking that Sky+ was the dogs 'nads simply because they'd never seen anything better.. they expect series links to randomly delete themselves, they accept that if you try to record two things then watch another you'll have to delete a series link, they accept that things will just randomly not record and every few months all your series links will be replaced by 'power cut'. They accept that you have to pay £10 a month for the 'privilege' of all these things. Now everyone can go down to the supermarket and get a box with decent PVR functionality, for a one off payment. And that's the first generation Playback hardware.. in 12 months time Sky+ is going to look like a sick joke. *that* is why Sky are 'upgrading' the EPG after about 15 years of sitting on their arses. |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:16:52 +0000, Malcolm H wrote:
No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Got Sky+ before Christmas, just sold my Tivo. The Sky+ EPG *is* absolute ****e. How they manage to make so little information take up so much space, I have no idea. |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"Sean Inglis" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:16:52 +0000, Malcolm H wrote: No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Got Sky+ before Christmas, just sold my Tivo. The Sky+ EPG *is* absolute ****e. How they manage to make so little information take up so much space, I have no idea. from memory, when i owned a tivo, far too many channels didnt have ANY program info at all for their schedule making it impossible to record something without checking elsewhere. also many channels had innacurate schedules - i could never trust what my tivo said eurosport was showing. -- Gareth. That fly... is your magic wand. http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/ |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:37:30 -0800, Tony Hoyle wrote:
On 19 Jan, 20:45, "tim \(not at home\)" wrote: "Gaz" wrote in message ... "tim (not at home)" wrote in message ... "mikes" wrote in message ... "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In message , Gaz writes "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Gaz writes "Malcolm H" wrote in message ... No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Of course it is. I have both systems, why would i lie? Now with HD, i would love to be able to dump tivo, but sky+ makes me blush, how basic and unsophisticated it is. Gaz Same here. My original intention was to replace my TiVo with Sky HD, but I just couldn't bring myself to be without the TiVo functionality. I only watch/record HD stuff on my Sky HD or if there's a non-repeated clash that TiVo can't cope with. Get yourself the modified irblast software for tivo it will automatically send a record code to the hd box for you when a hd is on..... So far it is reliable.. I have been getting my fill of HD movies... Cheers, I'll look into that. -- Sean Black I agree completely. For ease of use the Tivo interface leaves Sky+ behind (I have both). Why Sky+ can't take some pointers (without infringing copyright) from the you cannot copyright a "look and feel" (something Apple spent a lot of money on finding out). tim Tivo holds multiple patents on functionality, essentialyl crippling all none tivo based hd recorders. Their patents have been upheld in court, costing one firm, tens of millions of dollars i beleive. To do with recording on an HD perhaps, but not for the format of their EPG. Have a look at some of the new Freeview Playback boxes. Was playing with a cheapy £80 Tesco version the other day. The EPG on that is done right... trenchant analysis snipped Did you make a note of the model? |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"Sean Inglis" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:37:30 -0800, Tony Hoyle wrote: Did you make a note of the model? It's a Vestel. The EPG works very well. (Can't comment on series linking, don't have that) tim |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
Sean Inglis wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:16:52 +0000, Malcolm H wrote: No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Got Sky+ before Christmas, just sold my Tivo. The Sky+ EPG *is* absolute ****e. How they manage to make so little information take up so much space, I have no idea. Its terrible, the thing is, its Tivos epg that should look dated. The technology is ancient, it hasnt been modified since launch (no investment over here anymore), and has a small user base. But sky+ is a joke. Their EPG for regular sky in general was always a bit ropey, but it was first generational, and was a big leap from what went before (a copy of radio times and some video+ codes), launching sky+ they could have taken the opportunity to revamp it, but no, they just bolted on recording functionality, crude and inefficient. Again, when the launched hd, they could have really made an effort for the 'hd experieince', but no, the epg doesnt even take into account the fact that people using skyhd will *all* have high resolution widescreen TVs. Sky+ is liking using teletext compared to Tivo. Gaz |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:24:08 +0000, the dog from that film you saw wrote:
"Sean Inglis" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:16:52 +0000, Malcolm H wrote: No mention of increased functionality. I have recently moved to skyhd. Sky+ and the epg are terrible. I use my tivo to schedule all the shows, and use it as i did before. Whenever a hd channel is recorded i have a record signal sent to the skyhd box to make sure it is recorded in hd. Slightly clumsy, but sky+ functionality is laughable. Gaz Absolute bullsh*t Got Sky+ before Christmas, just sold my Tivo. The Sky+ EPG *is* absolute ****e. How they manage to make so little information take up so much space, I have no idea. from memory, when i owned a tivo, far too many channels didnt have ANY program info at all for their schedule making it impossible to record something without checking elsewhere. also many channels had innacurate schedules - i could never trust what my tivo said eurosport was showing. I can't say that's been my experience at all, although you raise a good point: 1) I had mine broadband enabled rather than relying on the modem. 2) It was never used to schedule Sky channels, just NTL (now Virgin Cable), terrestrial and Freeview. The only missing EPG data I can recall is that associated with the now defunct OneWord But I think there's a distinction to draw he the *implementation* of the EPG is a different matter from the accuracy /availability of EPG data. As far as availability is concerned, Sky are guaranteed to have the upper hand. Although I hesitate to suggest any conspiracies, how motivated *would* Sky be to ensure EPG data was 100% accurate and timely for 3rd party competitors? Leaving this issue aside, the mechanics of the Tivo software leave Sky+ in the dust, even after so many years. |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
On 20 Jan, 12:11, "Gaz" wrote:
snip launching sky+ they could have taken the opportunity to revamp it, but no, they just bolted on recording functionality, crude and inefficient. Again, when the launched hd, they could have really made an effort for the 'hd experieince', but no, the epg doesnt even take into account the fact that people using skyhd will *all* have high resolution widescreen TVs. Well, they won't all have hi-res widescreen TVs. Some people will buy a Sky HD box and think that makes their current WS telly show programmes in HD, just as when they bought that TV and thought it made standard 14:9 analogue TV appear "widescreen" because it filled the screen and because they're uneducated about the issue. |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
DVDfever Dom wrote:
On 20 Jan, 12:11, "Gaz" wrote: snip launching sky+ they could have taken the opportunity to revamp it, but no, they just bolted on recording functionality, crude and inefficient. Again, when the launched hd, they could have really made an effort for the 'hd experieince', but no, the epg doesnt even take into account the fact that people using skyhd will *all* have high resolution widescreen TVs. Well, they won't all have hi-res widescreen TVs. Some people will buy a Sky HD box and think that makes their current WS telly show programmes in HD, just as when they bought that TV and thought it made standard 14:9 analogue TV appear "widescreen" because it filled the screen and because they're uneducated about the issue. Well, if you design the product to meet the needs of 95% of the users, rather then just 5%..... Gaz |
Sky HD boxes to get upgraded EPG in 2008
"the dog from that film you saw"
from memory, when i owned a tivo, [...] also many channels had innacurate schedules - i could never trust what my tivo said eurosport was showing. Although to be fair, you often can't trust what Eurosport say Eurosport are showing - it's the only channel where I've noticed the schedule changes has a permanent teletext page. Such is live sport, I guess. -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Free Sat FAQ: http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/astefaq Webmaster/web developer, statistician, sysadmin, online shop maker, Workers co-op @ Weston-super-Mare, Somerset http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ |
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