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On 8 Jan, 03:41, "Bill Wright" wrote:
I've got used to the fact that when a customer says 'analogue' they probably mean 'terrestrial'. Bill Thirty Five years ago I was at school doing PE and the teacher asked us to spin around clockwise. One kid sat down crying "but i've got a digital watch". Doc |
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"ChrisM" wrote in message 35 years ago...? Were digital watches commonly available in 1973? Yes they were but "digital" meant different then. The watch would have numbers to display the time, rather than hands. Same with radio displays, anologue would be a string pulling a pionter on a scale, later we had "digital" tuning, a readout with numbers. -- Regards, David Please reply to News Group |
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On 8 Jan, 09:30, "ChrisM" wrote:
In message , Dr Hfuhruhurr Proclaimed from the tallest tower: On 8 Jan, 03:41, "Bill Wright" wrote: I've got used to the fact that when a customer says 'analogue' they probably mean 'terrestrial'. Bill Thirty Five years ago I was at school doing PE and the teacher asked us to spin around clockwise. One kid sat down crying "but i've got a digital watch". Doc 35 years ago...? Were digital watches commonly available in 1973? Or was this a very rich kid...? ...Or was it just a joke? It was a joke, but I did get my years wrong. it was more like 30 years ago. I had one, a Casio. I looked just like this http://www.casio.co.uk/Products/Watc...%20a%20Glance/ Doc |
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ChrisM wrote: In message , Dr Hfuhruhurr Proclaimed from the tallest tower: On 8 Jan, 03:41, "Bill Wright" wrote: I've got used to the fact that when a customer says 'analogue' they probably mean 'terrestrial'. Bill Thirty Five years ago I was at school doing PE and the teacher asked us to spin around clockwise. One kid sat down crying "but i've got a digital watch". Doc 35 years ago...? Were digital watches commonly available in 1973? Or was this a very rich kid...? ...Or was it just a joke? I well remember a workmate 'flashing' his new Sinclair LED watch in '78. If such a thing was available 5 years earlier I doubt a kid would have afforded one. -- *Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Bill Wright" wrote:
I've got used to the fact that when a customer says 'analogue' they probably mean 'terrestrial'. Have you got that backwards? Or are some people really calling their DTT reception "analogue"? -- Dave Farrance |
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Steve Wolstenholme wrote:
I had a LED digital watch about 35 years ago. It was silly money but I didn't buy it. It was a present. I had to press a button to switch on the display which was a stupid idea but, as I said, it was a present. Didn't somebody come up with a plastic widget which slipped underneath the watch, enabling the button to be pressed by flexing the wrist? Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
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"Dave Farrance" wrote in message ... "Bill Wright" wrote: I've got used to the fact that when a customer says 'analogue' they probably mean 'terrestrial'. Have you got that backwards? Or are some people really calling their DTT reception "analogue"? That's exactly what I mean. They refer to satellite as 'digital' and DTT as 'analogue'. When they have an IDTV they have no idea that the transmission is digital. All they know is that they have a new telly and it gets more channels than the old telly, and that they also have Sky, which as everyone knows is synonymous with 'satellite' and 'digital'. To differentiate between the two they call everything that isn't Sky 'analogue'. Of course customers often ring up to say that they need an aerial for the Sky, which could mean that they need a dish, or it could mean that they want to extend the dish cable. Because the cable is known as the aerial, you see. So when someone rings up and says that they want to move the aerial to the other side of the room it could mean that they want to lengthen the dish cable. Or it might mean something else completely. Geddit? Sometimes people ring up and say, "Could you sell me a fifty foot aerial, Bill? I'll come round for it on my bike if that's all right. Will you put the plugs on?" I've told it on here before, but I used to have a customer whose signal varied enormously with the seasons, due to trees. He had a variety of attenuators at the ready near his distribution amp, called 'my calmer-downers'. These days when they book a call I just put a question mark in the box and turn up fully equippped. Oh, and when the old ones complain about the Light Programme they usually mean ITV. Bill |
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"ChrisM" wrote in message ... In message , Dr Hfuhruhurr Proclaimed from the tallest tower: On 8 Jan, 03:41, "Bill Wright" wrote: I've got used to the fact that when a customer says 'analogue' they probably mean 'terrestrial'. Bill Thirty Five years ago I was at school doing PE and the teacher asked us to spin around clockwise. One kid sat down crying "but i've got a digital watch". Doc 35 years ago...? Were digital watches commonly available in 1973? Or was this a very rich kid...? ...Or was it just a joke? -- Regards, Chris. (Remove Elvis's shoes to email me) The first digital watch appeared in the Kojak TV program ~1973. They had LED displays IIRC, moderately accurate and you had to press a button to see the time. The soon appeared in Samuels at ££££. By 1978 LED watches were fairly common and cheap. In 1979 I bought a Texas watch with an LCD 'Trilite' display for around £20. Unfortunately the case was plastic and soon failed mechanically. A CBM replacement in ~1980 with stopwatch etc. lasted somewhat longer - LCD leaked. The current watch is a Casio - it is radio controlled, solar powered and good to 100m. Lasted a few years already and I hope to get more. Looks OK and cost ~£100 IIRC (actually a gift). |
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"Steve Wolstenholme" wrote in message
... On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:58:43 -0000, "ChrisM" wrote: In message , Steve Wolstenholme Proclaimed from the tallest tower: I had a LED digital watch about 35 years ago. It was silly money but I didn't buy it. It was a present. I had to press a button to switch on the display which was a stupid idea but, as I said, it was a present. Steve Ahh yes, being a bit bored, I just had a look at the history of digital watches. Between 35 and 30 years ago was exactly when they were first emerging. 35 years ago, you could buy one but it'd set you back a grand. 31 years ago, you could buy one for a fiver... http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1006534 I know my present was expensive but I don't think it would have been a grand. Maybe a few hundred. The batteries were also very expensive and they needed to be replaced quite often. The watch still ran with "flat" batteries but the display was only bright enough at night:) What started as a novelty became an embarrassment. I gave the LED watch away when LCD watches became available at a reasonable price. There's the notorious Sinclair Black Watch, £25 in 1975: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/other/blackwatch.htm -- Max Demian |
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"David" wrote:
"ChrisM" wrote in message 35 years ago...? Were digital watches commonly available in 1973? Yes they were but "digital" meant different then. The watch would have numbers to display the time, rather than hands. LCD watches were certainly available worldwide in the early 70s, because I remember seeing one in a shop window in Swansea around about 1974. It was a Seiko, I think. Its display had six digits, and I remember being very impressed by the changing seconds display because I'd not seen or heard about anything like it. The display was clear and attractively coloured with the digits appearing as a sort of semi-reflective brown on a light green background. I forget the price, but I do remember that it was astronomical by my standards as a kid. I didn't see it again and I didn't see another LCD watch anywhere for another few years. I remember that this was about a year before LED watches appeared, and another couple of years before competitively priced LCD watches appeared with their boring four-digit displays with dull grey digits on a light grey background. -- Dave Farrance |
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"Bill Wright" wrote:
That's exactly what I mean. They refer to satellite as 'digital' and DTT as 'analogue'. When they have an IDTV they have no idea that the transmission is digital. All they know is that they have a new telly and it gets more channels than the old telly, and that they also have Sky, which as everyone knows is synonymous with 'satellite' and 'digital'. To differentiate between the two they call everything that isn't Sky 'analogue'. more astonishing stuff snipped I see. I did once take my TV into a shop for repair, and took into the back where the backroom guy turned it on, looked at the flickering screen and wrote "video fault" on my receipt. When I took the receipt back to claim it, that guy had gone and a woman there tried to establish which TV it was and confused me greatly with questions like "Was it just the video at fault and was the rest of the telly OK?". (She assumed it had a built-in VCR.) -- Dave Farrance |
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:52:00 GMT, "David"
wrote: "ChrisM" wrote in message 35 years ago...? Were digital watches commonly available in 1973? Yes they were but "digital" meant different then. The watch would have numbers to display the time, rather than hands. Same with radio displays, anologue would be a string pulling a pionter on a scale, later we had "digital" tuning, a readout with numbers. I believe that, as far as watches and clocks are concerned, "digital" means exactly the same now as it did then: it's about the display. Re radio tuners, some digital displays front an analogue functionality (infinately variable, in principle), and others are "genuinely" digital (will tune only a predefined set of discrete frequencies, eg 87.5-108MHz in 100KHz steps). But I don't think the meaning of the word has changed in that context either: it's ambiguous now, as it was then. -- http://www.robinfaichney.org/ |
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In message , Bill Wright
writes I've got used to the fact that when a customer says 'analogue' they probably mean 'terrestrial'. Bill Round these parts, people seem to be completely au fait with TV terminology. There are three types, Sky, Freeview, and Ordinary. ¬) -- Ian |
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"Robin Faichney" wrote in message ... Re radio tuners, some digital displays front an analogue functionality (infinately variable, in principle), and others are "genuinely" digital (will tune only a predefined set of discrete frequencies, eg 87.5-108MHz in 100KHz steps). So where does that leave those old rotary controls that had a large number of click stops? Bill |
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Steve Wolstenholme wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:04:28 GMT, Chris J Dixon wrote: Steve Wolstenholme wrote: I had a LED digital watch about 35 years ago. It was silly money but I didn't buy it. It was a present. I had to press a button to switch on the display which was a stupid idea but, as I said, it was a present. Didn't somebody come up with a plastic widget which slipped underneath the watch, enabling the button to be pressed by flexing the wrist? Maybe they did but I didn't have one. IMO, that would have been another crazy idea. No argument there ;-) Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
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"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message ... Steve Wolstenholme wrote: On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:04:28 GMT, Chris J Dixon wrote: Steve Wolstenholme wrote: I had a LED digital watch about 35 years ago. It was silly money but I didn't buy it. It was a present. I had to press a button to switch on the display which was a stupid idea but, as I said, it was a present. Didn't somebody come up with a plastic widget which slipped underneath the watch, enabling the button to be pressed by flexing the wrist? Maybe they did but I didn't have one. IMO, that would have been another crazy idea. No argument there ;-) A sundial on your bonce would be more practical. Bill |
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 01:52:35 -0800 (PST), Dr Hfuhruhurr
wrote: On 8 Jan, 09:30, "ChrisM" wrote: In message , Dr Hfuhruhurr Proclaimed from the tallest tower: On 8 Jan, 03:41, "Bill Wright" wrote: I've got used to the fact that when a customer says 'analogue' they probably mean 'terrestrial'. Bill Thirty Five years ago I was at school doing PE and the teacher asked us to spin around clockwise. One kid sat down crying "but i've got a digital watch". Doc 35 years ago...? Were digital watches commonly available in 1973? Or was this a very rich kid...? ...Or was it just a joke? It was a joke, but I did get my years wrong. it was more like 30 years ago. I had one, a Casio. I looked just like this http://www.casio.co.uk/Products/Watc...%20a%20Glance/ Doc I had a Captain Kramen digital watch in the late 70's. He was a character devised by Kenny Everett. It had a touch sensitive button for showing date and seconds. Everyone at school thought it was well cool. Marky P. |
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Bill Wright wrote:
A sundial on your bonce would be more practical. Only if it has the special luminous markers to extend the operating hours. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
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Chris J Dixon wrote: Bill Wright wrote: A sundial on your bonce would be more practical. Only if it has the special luminous markers to extend the operating hours. Why did I initially read that as 'opening hours' ? -- *Change is inevitable ... except from vending machines * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:02:56 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , ChrisM wrote: In message , Dr Hfuhruhurr Proclaimed from the tallest tower: On 8 Jan, 03:41, "Bill Wright" wrote: I've got used to the fact that when a customer says 'analogue' they probably mean 'terrestrial'. Bill Thirty Five years ago I was at school doing PE and the teacher asked us to spin around clockwise. One kid sat down crying "but i've got a digital watch". Doc 35 years ago...? Were digital watches commonly available in 1973? Or was this a very rich kid...? ...Or was it just a joke? I well remember a workmate 'flashing' his new Sinclair LED watch in '78. If such a thing was available 5 years earlier I doubt a kid would have afforded one. I was at uni 73-76 and I think it was my second year when I bought - and built - a Sinclair watch. I think it was £17 for the kit, maybe 25 for ready-made. I remember knackering the flexi with my soldering efforts, and they sent me a replacement FOC - in an envelope! Chris |
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:13:32 -0000, "Bill Wright"
wrote: "Robin Faichney" wrote in message .. . Re radio tuners, some digital displays front an analogue functionality (infinately variable, in principle), and others are "genuinely" digital (will tune only a predefined set of discrete frequencies, eg 87.5-108MHz in 100KHz steps). So where does that leave those old rotary controls that had a large number of click stops? Good question, don't know. But I'd say, if they were rotary switches, then digital, but if they were the traditional variable capacitors with click stops built-in to the turning mechanism, then analogue. I'm assuming you're talking about tuners, but I suppose you might not be. I've come across such controls (analogue with clicks) before, but not as tuners, as far as I can remember. Actually, instead of digital vs analogue, we should be talking discrete versus continuous, here. A traditional clock face is analogue, but a sweep second hand is continuous, whereas a non-sweep one (stepping, jerky, you know what I mean) is discrete. What's called a digital clock/watch is genuinely digital in the sense that it displays digits, but of course that means it's also discrete. A clockwork mechanism is arguably discrete due to the tick-tock-type escapement mechanism, though the display (ignoring any second hand) is effectively continuous -- meaning the steps are too small for humans to see. Some physicists believe that space and time are discrete, ie there's a smallest unit in each case that cannot be subdivided. In which case you might say that everything is ultimately digital. -- http://www.robinfaichney.org/ |
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:24:03 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Chris J Dixon wrote: Bill Wright wrote: A sundial on your bonce would be more practical. Only if it has the special luminous markers to extend the operating hours. Why did I initially read that as 'opening hours' ? Because you've got booze on the brain -- elementary Freudianism, my dear Watson. -- http://www.robinfaichney.org/ |
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On 8 Jan 2008 16:36:17 GMT, chris wrote:
I was at uni 73-76 and I think it was my second year when I bought - and built - a Sinclair watch. I think it was £17 for the kit, maybe 25 for ready-made. I remember knackering the flexi with my soldering efforts, and they sent me a replacement FOC - in an envelope! About '79 or so, at uni, I got a Sinclair programmable calculator. You could play a lunar lander type game on it, but the program was lost when you switched off so you had to enter it each time using the keypad. Once was enough for me. It was no match for Space Invaders down the pub. -- http://www.robinfaichney.org/ |
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"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message ... Bill Wright wrote: A sundial on your bonce would be more practical. Only if it has the special luminous markers to extend the operating hours. Yes of course. A sundial that you could only see during the day wouldn't be much good would it? Bill |
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"Robin Faichney" wrote in message ... Actually, instead of digital vs analogue, we should be talking discrete versus continuous, here. A traditional clock face is analogue, but a sweep second hand is continuous, whereas a non-sweep one (stepping, jerky, you know what I mean) is discrete. When I was 13 I got a microscope fror Christmas. One fascinating discovery was that I could see the minuites hand move on my watch. I wish I had all those minutes back. I've wasted most of them. Bill |
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I've got used to the fact that when a customer says 'analogue' they probably mean 'terrestrial'. Have you got that backwards? Or are some people really calling their DTT reception "analogue"? That's exactly what I mean. They refer to satellite as 'digital' and DTT as 'analogue'. When they have an IDTV they have no idea that the transmission is digital. All they know is that they have a new telly and it gets more channels than the old telly, and that they also have Sky, which as everyone knows is synonymous with 'satellite' and 'digital'. To differentiate between the two they call everything that isn't Sky 'analogue'. My 70ish parents (who have the free channels from Sky) have taken serious convincing that they will still be able to watch TV in their lounge after analogue switch off. Some idiot had convinced them they would need a Freeview box (currently no service in Mid Wales) or they would have to start paying a Sky subscription. I've broached the subject of video recordings and the bedroom TV a few times, and I'm working up to a proper explanation session. |
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"Marky P" wrote in message
... I had a Captain Kramen digital watch in the late 70's. He was a character devised by Kenny Everett. It had a touch sensitive button for showing date and seconds. Everyone at school thought it was well cool. They used to sell Captain Kremmen watches in Woolworths that were just an ordinary boring digital watch on a colourful card. Once you took the watch off the card no-one would know it had anything to do with Captain Kremmen. -- Max Demian |
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:26:58 -0000, "Bill Wright"
wrote: "Robin Faichney" wrote in message .. . Actually, instead of digital vs analogue, we should be talking discrete versus continuous, here. A traditional clock face is analogue, but a sweep second hand is continuous, whereas a non-sweep one (stepping, jerky, you know what I mean) is discrete. When I was 13 I got a microscope fror Christmas. One fascinating discovery was that I could see the minuites hand move on my watch. I wish I had all those minutes back. I've wasted most of them. Ah, but those minutes you spent watching that minutes hand move: were they wasted?? -- http://www.robinfaichney.org/ |
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:32:34 -0000, "Max Demian"
wrote: "Marky P" wrote in message .. . I had a Captain Kramen digital watch in the late 70's. He was a character devised by Kenny Everett. It had a touch sensitive button for showing date and seconds. Everyone at school thought it was well cool. They used to sell Captain Kremmen watches in Woolworths that were just an ordinary boring digital watch on a colourful card. Once you took the watch off the card no-one would know it had anything to do with Captain Kremmen. So was Kenny like Krusty? -- http://www.robinfaichney.org/ |
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Halmyre wrote:
I still have my first Timex LCD watch. One of these days I'll try and power it up and see if it still works. Meanwhile it comes in handy as a boat anchor, or for stunning rhinoceroses. I bought my first LCD watch in 1977, it was a Casio, lasted until 1982. I bought another Casio LCD and that lasted until 1999, I had to throw it away because all of its rubber membranes had perished. Back in 1977 a friend of mine also had an LCD watch, with a tritium backlight. His father had bought it for him in the US. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
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Ian wrote:
Round these parts, people seem to be completely au fait with TV terminology. There are three types, Sky, Freeview, and Ordinary. ¬) My wife refers to analogue terrestrial, as 'ordinary TV'. I confused her the other day, she'd forced me to have a clear out, and I came across an old analogue satellite box. "What's that ?" she asked. I explained. "You could sell it on ebay ?". I said that would be pointless, as there are no [1] analogue satellite channels left in the UK, Sky switched the last of theirs off in 2001. She suddenly looked very confused. I moved on quickly to the next piece of junk. [1] Just how many DTH analogue sat channels are there left ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:32:34 -0000, "Max Demian"
wrote: "Marky P" wrote in message .. . I had a Captain Kramen digital watch in the late 70's. He was a character devised by Kenny Everett. It had a touch sensitive button for showing date and seconds. Everyone at school thought it was well cool. They used to sell Captain Kremmen watches in Woolworths that were just an ordinary boring digital watch on a colourful card. Once you took the watch off the card no-one would know it had anything to do with Captain Kremmen. Now I think about it, you may be right. The watch itself was just black with a silver button, no mention of Captain Kramen (or Kremmen) at all :-( Marky P. |
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message ... I've got used to the fact that when a customer says 'analogue' they probably mean 'terrestrial'. Bill But that's reasonable IMHO. It's when they say terrestrial and mean analogue, that's when they are confused. -- Graham %Profound_observation% |
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
... I've got used to the fact that when a customer says 'analogue' they probably mean 'terrestrial'. Bill People (customers aka peasants) really are totally stupid, aren't they? Mike. |
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"Marky P" wrote in message
... On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:32:34 -0000, "Max Demian" wrote: "Marky P" wrote in message . .. I had a Captain Kramen digital watch in the late 70's. He was a character devised by Kenny Everett. It had a touch sensitive button for showing date and seconds. Everyone at school thought it was well cool. They used to sell Captain Kremmen watches in Woolworths that were just an ordinary boring digital watch on a colourful card. Once you took the watch off the card no-one would know it had anything to do with Captain Kremmen. Now I think about it, you may be right. The watch itself was just black with a silver button, no mention of Captain Kramen (or Kremmen) at all :-( What a rip off. Did you take the card into school, or did your pals take your word it was Captain Kremmen? I expect the watch cost a few pence to the distributors. -- Max Demian |
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
... Ian wrote: Round these parts, people seem to be completely au fait with TV terminology. There are three types, Sky, Freeview, and Ordinary. ¬) My wife refers to analogue terrestrial, as 'ordinary TV'. I used to have a landlady who called ordinary pasteurised milk "cows' milk", so her note to the milkman might say, "2 cows, 1 stir [sterilised]." I don't know where she thought the sterilised milk came from. -- Max Demian |
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