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Mark McIntyre wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
More nonsense. They have hopelessly inadequate capacity (bandwidth).

In your opinion, based on a study of customer-service newsgroups, and on
your own line. Oddly you steadfastly choose to ignore evidence to the
contrary.

Put simply if you live in an area where VM have got a good setup with
sufficient backhaul then you will be fine and enjoy a more relieable
and faster connection the possibly on ADSL.

Where do they have sufficient backhaul ? Clearly not where I live.

For which relief, much thanks I should think.

What the hell is that supposed to mean ?

TWIT !

Should I quit Virginmedia?
 

Mark McIntyre wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:06:37 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

Apparently the 'average' speed on ADSL is over 5 Mbps. Hardly bad and
with ADSL2+ it'll be faster. With VDSL (in the pipeline), the twisted
pair can deliver download speeds as high as 50 Mbps.

Yep?.. Any idea when?..or is that a -pipe- dream;?..

It exists NOW.

Range is an issue though.

NO. It apparently outperforms ADSL on long lines. Why don't you bother
informing yourself before typing ?

Graham

Should I quit Virginmedia?
 

Mark McIntyre wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

BT however are apparently currently thinking more along the lines of
using fibre to the cabinet and using ADSL2+ thereafter.

Probably because its the only way to get the coverage. Its also
interesting to note that presently BT have no incentive to do this, as
they won't make any revenue out of it.

They are apparently thinking of doing it as part of their 21CN project.
Because it will enable them to make new revenue of course. I imagine they
have VOD in mind etc.


Note also that FTTC is precisely how cable works!

So ? It's a good idea. They have no monopoly on it. I fail to see your point.
Unfortunately FTTC, whilst a good idea in principle is messed up by VM's
inability to provide adequate backhaul to all their customers. VM could fix
all such issues with some simple INVESTMENT but they can't or won't since
they have a HUGE debt burden.

Graham

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Mark McIntyre wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

NO. ADSL does NOT have any inherent significant contention problems. Not
for ages.

You're using that word in a different context to most people in that
case. ADSL is *designed* around a contention ratio.

ALL internet connectivity is designed around some assumptions about
contention. The same is even true of conventional POTS telephone circuits.

The point is that it's recently changed. BT's ADSL circuits, at least
certainly the MAX ones are no longer based on a fixed contention ratio such as
50:1 or 20:1. They're operating a 'dynamic' allocation of bandwidth that is
supposed to avoid contention issues to the end user. It apparently works very
well, despite some initial scepticism. Been that way since early 2007 IIRC.

Graham

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Mark McIntyre wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

VM doesn't (can't) invest since it's mired in debt.

Not correct.

You're saying VM isn't mired in debt and therefore investment isn't a problem
for them ? Why don't they fix their backhaul then ?

LOL !

Graham

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Mark McIntyre wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

As I'm sure you well know, an 8128 kbps sync will give you a 7150 kbps
profile. I've had over 98% of that on speed tests and have posted links
to them previously.

Just for reference, I get between 3.7 and 3.9 Mbps from my VM 4 Mbps
connection whenever I can be bothered to test it, mrtg tells me my peak
was 4070.8 kbps, and the gnome netmeter applet tells me I'm maxing the
connection from time to time.

I could also get 3.9 Mbps from my VM cable connection at *off-peak* times.

It fell to as low as 500kbps in the evening.

Graham

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Mark McIntyre wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Mark McIntyre wrote:
Lobster wrote:

bt.com's postcode speed checker claims 5.5Mb max.

Expect somewhat less than that, then!

On exactly what basis

On the basis of the postcode speed checker being a theoretical limit,
based on calculated line length and assuming good condition cabling and
no other interference or attentuating factors.

The idea that it will always overestimate the speed is simply your own
anti-BT bias showing.

Graham

Should I quit Virginmedia?
 

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:57:25 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

Daffy Duck wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

What speeds do you get at peak times on what package ? I see little
slowdown with Idnet for example.

Have you forgotten your post of 15:09 on the 30th?,,,,you were getting a
speed of 5713kbs,that's over 25% less than the headline 8mbs and even
considerably slower than some other links you've posted......seems like
more than a little slowdown there.

That's what I call a 'little slowdown'. It's STILL 80% of the maximum
theoretical possible, unlike the 12% I was getting with VM at peak times.

Graham

20% is not a "little slowdown".The test was also done at
15:20...approaching,but not at peak time.

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In article , Eeyore rabbitsfriendsandrel
scribeth thus


Mark McIntyre wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

BT however are apparently currently thinking more along the lines of
using fibre to the cabinet and using ADSL2+ thereafter.

Probably because its the only way to get the coverage. Its also
interesting to note that presently BT have no incentive to do this, as
they won't make any revenue out of it.

They are apparently thinking of doing it as part of their 21CN project.
Because it will enable them to make new revenue of course. I imagine they
have VOD in mind etc.


Note also that FTTC is precisely how cable works!

So ? It's a good idea. They have no monopoly on it. I fail to see your point.
Unfortunately FTTC, whilst a good idea in principle is messed up by VM's
inability to provide adequate backhaul to all their customers.

Never been a problem here .. is it there?..
--
Tony Sayer

Should I quit Virginmedia?
 

In article , Eeyore rabbitsfriendsandrel
scribeth thus


tony sayer wrote:

Eeyore scribeth thus
naza wrote:

but how many people get full 8mbps.

Me for one !

Exactly you for ONE. One person does not reflect the state of the
whole network.

I gather the average speed on MAX is around 5 Mbps.


Because you were getting crap speeds on VM does not
mean that every single person who joins VM or are connected to VM are
getting the same service. The Same for ADSL just becuase your getting
a great service does not mean everyone else is. There are probally
people out there who are with IDnet who dont get the same speeds as
you, yet they will get the same level of customer service.
How many Customers Does IDnet have exactly?

I have no exact idea. They have a fair number of largish business
customers. Quality you see.

Problem is if their any good they'll get swallowed up and bought out by
some bigger outfit .. like some have done already;(...

Only if they want to sell. It's currently a family business AIUI.

Even worse someone will make them an offer they can't refuse;!..

Same is potentially true of ANY company in ANY line of business. I fail to
see why you even mentioned it.

Because regretfully .. it happens;(...

Graham


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Tony Sayer