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In article , Eeyore rabbitsfriendsandrel
scribeth thus


naza wrote:

but how many people get full 8mbps.

Me for one !

Exactly you for ONE. One person does not reflect the state of the
whole network.

I gather the average speed on MAX is around 5 Mbps.


Because you were getting crap speeds on VM does not
mean that every single person who joins VM or are connected to VM are
getting the same service. The Same for ADSL just becuase your getting
a great service does not mean everyone else is. There are probally
people out there who are with IDnet who dont get the same speeds as
you, yet they will get the same level of customer service.
How many Customers Does IDnet have exactly?

I have no exact idea. They have a fair number of largish business
customers. Quality you see.

Problem is if their any good they'll get swallowed up and bought out by
some bigger outfit .. like some have done already;(...

Graham



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"Eeyore" wrote in message
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Daffy Duck wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
Eeyore scribeth thus
naza wrote:

Now VM network does not have any of these [line related] problems,
but rather
contention problems which ADSL has

NO. ADSL does NOT have any inherent significant contention problems.
Not for
ages. BT has fixed that ages back. That's why they don't quote a
contention
figure for MAX. It's still a popular myth however that there are
such problems
but it IS a
myth. There may be congestion/contention problems over the *ISP's*
network but
that's
down to themand YOUR decision to use them.


but how many people get full 8mbps.

Me for one !

Next to the exchange is it then?..

Around 800m as the crow flies. About 1.5 miles is what a BT engineer
said.

Actually, I'm currently only syncing at about 7500kbps. I must check
if it's that
cordless phone messing it up.

Still good for an actual 5713 kbps download right now though.
http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/res...8026&v=3137379

Graham

But in your previous reply you stated that you're one of the people who
gets their full 8mbs,so can you post a link showing you actually
achieving
that 8mbs d/load speed?.

As I'm sure you well know, an 8128 kbps sync will give you a 7150 kbps
profile. I've
had over 98% of that on speed tests and have posted links to them
previously.

This is around 20% "hidden" overhead (due to the ATM cell structure?).

So compare this with cable where if everything is working you get all the
bandwidth as useable capacity (in my case AFAIR around 5% over the notional
4 Mbps).

So for downloads, it sounds like a 4 Mbps VM cable feed is roughly
equivalent to 4.8 Mbps ADSL when both are not limited by another bottleneck
somewhere, and until the VM STM kicks in.

Graham

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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:46:13 UTC, "stephen"
wrote:

This is around 20% "hidden" overhead (due to the ATM cell structure?).

Well, sort of...but given Eeyore's ignorance and OCD (I have him
killfiled) you might like the explanation here...essentially it has to
be throttled back a bit more to avoid buffer overruns:

http://aaisp.net.uk/aa/aaisp/maxatm.html

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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:35:09 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

Daffy Duck wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
Eeyore scribeth thus
naza wrote:

Now VM network does not have any of these [line related] problems, but rather
contention problems which ADSL has

NO. ADSL does NOT have any inherent significant contention problems. Not for
ages. BT has fixed that ages back. That's why they don't quote a contention
figure for MAX. It's still a popular myth however that there are such problems
but it IS a
myth. There may be congestion/contention problems over the *ISP's* network but
that's
down to themand YOUR decision to use them.


but how many people get full 8mbps.

Me for one !

Next to the exchange is it then?..

Around 800m as the crow flies. About 1.5 miles is what a BT engineer said.

Actually, I'm currently only syncing at about 7500kbps. I must check if it's that
cordless phone messing it up.

Still good for an actual 5713 kbps download right now though.
http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/res...8026&v=3137379

Graham

But in your previous reply you stated that you're one of the people who
gets their full 8mbs,so can you post a link showing you actually achieving
that 8mbs d/load speed?.

As I'm sure you well know, an 8128 kbps sync will give you a 7150 kbps profile. I've
had over 98% of that on speed tests and have posted links to them previously.

Graham

In other words...no,you can't d/load at your full 8mbs despite claiming
that you can.

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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:16:26 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

Woody wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Woody wrote:

The VM broadband feed - no matter others may say - is probably the
best and most reliable on the market. It certainly meets or is very
close
to quoted speed at almost all times - which it is guaranteed you will
not get with ADSL.

Uh ?

With VM's 4 meg service I was normally down to 500kbps at peak times.

With an '8 meg' service from Idnet over a BT line I rarely see less
than 5 Mbps even at peak times and see peak speeds of 7 Mbps.

Both figures from the speedtester at thinkbroadband.com and Bbmax

You're talking complete and total nonsense about VM's alleged 'great'
broadband. It's actually total ****e.

Graham


VM depends very much where you are. The bigger part of VM was NTL and
they expanded by buying up other cable systems.

Those of us lucky enough to live in an area that had good quality feeds
have or had little trouble. Those that lived in poor areas - and from
what I see we are talking Dircon and Videoton here - suffer problems.

This area was previously Telecential and then Comtel.


Don't plaster them with your experiences and assume everyone is the
same. I'm lucky and pleased with the results.

What speeds do you get at peak times on what package ? I see little
slowdown with Idnet for example.

Graham

Have you forgotten your post of 15:09 on the 30th?,,,,you were getting a
speed of 5713kbs,that's over 25% less than the headline 8mbs and even
considerably slower than some other links you've posted......seems like
more than a little slowdown there.

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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:03:46 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

Woody wrote:

The VM broadband feed .... certainly meets or is very close to
quoted speed at almost all times - which it is guaranteed you will
not get with ADSL.

With VM's 4 meg service I was normally down to 500kbps at peak times.

You're talking complete and total nonsense about VM's alleged 'great'
broadband.

No, he was expressing his opinion, based on his own experience. His
opinion is no more nonsensical than yours.

It's actually total ****e.

/Your/ service was total ****e. There's a difference.

Graham

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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:47:21 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

Fair enough, but the comments in user groups illustrate that the vast
majority of comments about VM are very negative.

Hmm, so let me see - if you analyse the calls to CS, you discover that
most people are calling to complain about problems. Golly.

You appear to be lucky that you're on infrastructure originally operated
by Telewest (Blueyonder) rather than NTL.

I'm not, and my experience is also very good.

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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:04:28 +0000, Eeyore wrote:


More nonsense. They have hopelessly inadequate capacity (bandwidth).

In your opinion, based on a study of customer-service newsgroups, and on
your own line. Oddly you steadfastly choose to ignore evidence to the
contrary.

Put simply if you live in an area where VM have got a good setup with
sufficient backhaul then you will be fine and enjoy a more relieable
and faster connection the possibly on ADSL.

Where do they have sufficient backhaul ? Clearly not where I live.

For which relief, much thanks I should think.

ADSL is more predictable.

Utter Rubbish.

from the various online calculators. Once you have ADSL, backhaul
capacity issues and not a problem

What? You're claiming that backhaul isn't an issue for ADSL suppliers?
How exactly do you figure that amazing fact?

as long as you're not a cheapskate looking to save the last penny.

Oh I see. What you mean is - pick an expensive ISP, in the hopes that it
means they've fewer customers.

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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:06:37 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

Apparently the 'average' speed on ADSL is over 5 Mbps. Hardly bad and
with ADSL2+ it'll be faster. With VDSL (in the pipeline), the twisted
pair can deliver download speeds as high as 50 Mbps.

Yep?.. Any idea when?..or is that a -pipe- dream;?..

It exists NOW.

Range is an issue though.

BT however are apparently currently thinking more along the lines of
using fibre to the cabinet and using ADSL2+ thereafter.

Probably because its the only way to get the coverage. Its also
interesting to note that presently BT have no incentive to do this, as
they won't make any revenue out of it.

Note also that FTTC is precisely how cable works!


Neither does BT in a lot of rural areas.

I don't believe that.

Believe it or not, as you like. Its the case.

I really think you have a very biased and blinkered view.

I think it's a very accurate view.

You would, you're biassed and blinkered.... :-)

There's nothing wrong with BT wires (or their DSLAMS).

And you know this to be nationally true because...?

Or are you using the same logic as you use with VM's cable network:
"its broken/good for me, therefore its broken/good for everyone".

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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:17:07 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

NO. ADSL does NOT have any inherent significant contention problems. Not
for ages.

You're using that word in a different context to most people in that
case. ADSL is *designed* around a contention ratio.

There may be congestion/contention
problems over the *ISP's* network but that's down to them and YOUR
decision to use them.

I think you're muddling backhaul congestion and front-end contention.

That's ALL it takes. It's called investment.

Correct.

VM doesn't (can't) invest since it's mired in debt.

Not correct.