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Why are NFL games still dumping SD camera work onto HD channels?

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MovieBuff wrote:
Why are NFL games still dumping SD camera work onto HD channels?

Because CBS can only do 5 games in HD on a Sunday and Fox a total of 6
games. This is an improvement, as CBS only did 3 games in HD last
season. CBS added 2 HD studios prior to the start of this NFL season.
When Fox has more than 6 games on a Sunday, the extra games are in
widescreen SD, not HD.

If you want to see a very detailed breakdown of which games are in HD,
go to http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=957853. Last
weekend, because of 2 games on the NFL network and because of how the
schedule worked out, was a momentous event because all of the games were
in HD for the first time ever. This will be the last NFL season with SD
games. The NFL has required that all games be broadcast in HD for the
2008 season. Fox and CBS will have to build new expensive HD studios to
get there. So next weekend will be the last NFL game to be shown only in SD.

Now only if MLB would make the same requirement, but that is not going
to happen for a few more years.

Alan F

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"Dan" wrote in message
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On 12/23/07 4:20 PM, Alan F wrote:
MovieBuff wrote:
Why are NFL games still dumping SD camera work onto HD channels?

Because CBS can only do 5 games in HD on a Sunday and Fox a total of 6
games. This is an improvement, as CBS only did 3 games in HD last
season. CBS added 2 HD studios prior to the start of this NFL season.
When Fox has more than 6 games on a Sunday, the extra games are in
widescreen SD, not HD.

If you want to see a very detailed breakdown of which games are in HD,
go to http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=957853. Last
weekend, because of 2 games on the NFL network and because of how the
schedule worked out, was a momentous event because all of the games were
in HD for the first time ever. This will be the last NFL season with SD
games. The NFL has required that all games be broadcast in HD for the
2008 season. Fox and CBS will have to build new expensive HD studios to
get there. So next weekend will be the last NFL game to be shown only in
SD.

Now only if MLB would make the same requirement, but that is not going
to happen for a few more years.

Alan F


Yeah, we all know the NFL and MLB can't afford the HD equipment!

You are totally out of touch with how broadcasting works. The NFL and MLB
don't own the equipment. With very few exceptions, the networks which
broadcast the shows contract with remote production companies which own all
the equipment. Here's a link to one of the larger companies:
http://www.nmtv.com/

Shows like Monday Night Football have some dedicated trucks but the majority
of the day in day out broadcasting of major sports are done with rentals.
There are also separate trucks for the home and away broadcasts of baseball
which may or may not share some or all of the same cameras. In Seattle there
are generally three trucks at each baseball game, Home, Away and NHK.

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Dan wrote:
On 12/23/07 4:20 PM, Alan F wrote:
MovieBuff wrote:
Why are NFL games still dumping SD camera work onto HD channels?

Because CBS can only do 5 games in HD on a Sunday and Fox a total of 6
games. This is an improvement, as CBS only did 3 games in HD last
season. CBS added 2 HD studios prior to the start of this NFL season.
When Fox has more than 6 games on a Sunday, the extra games are in
widescreen SD, not HD.

If you want to see a very detailed breakdown of which games are in HD,
go to http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=957853. Last
weekend, because of 2 games on the NFL network and because of how the
schedule worked out, was a momentous event because all of the games were
in HD for the first time ever. This will be the last NFL season with SD
games. The NFL has required that all games be broadcast in HD for the
2008 season. Fox and CBS will have to build new expensive HD studios to
get there. So next weekend will be the last NFL game to be shown only
in SD.

Now only if MLB would make the same requirement, but that is not going
to happen for a few more years.

Alan F


Yeah, we all know the NFL and MLB can't afford the HD equipment!

The NFL and MLB don't pay for the HD equipment. The networks and in
the case of MLB, the regional sports networks (RSN) do. The only
equipment the NFL gets is for their own NFL network and the same for
MLB, when MLB network starts up. The NFL can only require the nets to go
HD as part of the contract negotiation and terms. The NFL has done so
for the 2008 season.

To be fair, MLB, of course, has 10 times more games per year with most
games on a bunch of RSNs, so it is going to take longer for MLB to go
all HD. Now some of the RSNs are owned or partially owned by MLB teams,
so in those cases the baseball teams pay for the equipment (or the cost
of leasing the trucks), the studios, and the satellite bandwidth.

However it is amazing that as 2007 comes to a close, there has been no
word on whether Mid Atlantic Sports Network (MASN), the RSN for the
Baltimore Orioles and Washington Nationals, will offer an HD channel in
2008. All of the other MLB teams will have at least their home games in
HD on HD RSNs in 2008. But MASN is controlled by Peter Angelos who
probably doesn't want to be bothered with that technical stuff.

Alan F

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Alan F wrote:
Dan wrote:
On 12/23/07 4:20 PM, Alan F wrote:
MovieBuff wrote:
Why are NFL games still dumping SD camera work onto HD channels?

Because CBS can only do 5 games in HD on a Sunday and Fox a total of 6
games. This is an improvement, as CBS only did 3 games in HD last
season. CBS added 2 HD studios prior to the start of this NFL season.
When Fox has more than 6 games on a Sunday, the extra games are in
widescreen SD, not HD.

If you want to see a very detailed breakdown of which games are in HD,
go to http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=957853. Last
weekend, because of 2 games on the NFL network and because of how the
schedule worked out, was a momentous event because all of the games were
in HD for the first time ever. This will be the last NFL season with SD
games. The NFL has required that all games be broadcast in HD for the
2008 season. Fox and CBS will have to build new expensive HD studios to
get there. So next weekend will be the last NFL game to be shown only
in SD.

Now only if MLB would make the same requirement, but that is not going
to happen for a few more years.

Alan F


Yeah, we all know the NFL and MLB can't afford the HD equipment!

The NFL and MLB don't pay for the HD equipment. The networks and in
the case of MLB, the regional sports networks (RSN) do. The only
equipment the NFL gets is for their own NFL network and the same for
MLB, when MLB network starts up. The NFL can only require the nets to go
HD as part of the contract negotiation and terms. The NFL has done so
for the 2008 season.

To be fair, MLB, of course, has 10 times more games per year with most
games on a bunch of RSNs, so it is going to take longer for MLB to go
all HD. Now some of the RSNs are owned or partially owned by MLB teams,
so in those cases the baseball teams pay for the equipment (or the cost
of leasing the trucks), the studios, and the satellite bandwidth.

However it is amazing that as 2007 comes to a close, there has been no
word on whether Mid Atlantic Sports Network (MASN), the RSN for the
Baltimore Orioles and Washington Nationals, will offer an HD channel in
2008. All of the other MLB teams will have at least their home games in
HD on HD RSNs in 2008. But MASN is controlled by Peter Angelos who
probably doesn't want to be bothered with that technical stuff.

Alan F


It all depends on the 'golden rule.' When
there's potential for large revenue the ad
agencies and event producers will specify HD and
pay the rental fees to get it.

Events that aren't high revenue will make do
with older gear. Most games in the pre-season
had a mix of SD and HD capture equipment. As
the season progressed the percentage of HD
source increased. (and quality of replay improved.)

Golf in HD is still hurting. I've been seeing
HD from most of the fixed towers but, SD from
many of the portable cameras.

Big difference between selling beer and selling
golf shoes!

--
pj

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Sometimes, I watch baseball on tv, with the tv sound turned down
and the radio on, but the sound/picture are out of sync. Usually, I
just listen to the radio.

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"Jerome Zelinske" wrote in message
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Sometimes, I watch baseball on tv, with the tv sound turned down and
the radio on, but the sound/picture are out of sync. Usually, I just
listen to the radio.

TV broadcast of sporting events are typically delayed several seconds, in
part due to infamous wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl several years
ago.

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"Mark A" wrote in message
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"Jerome Zelinske" wrote in message
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Sometimes, I watch baseball on tv, with the tv sound turned down and
the radio on, but the sound/picture are out of sync. Usually, I just
listen to the radio.

TV broadcast of sporting events are typically delayed several seconds, in
part due to infamous wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl several years
ago.

Typically a television broadcast has to travel a much further distance than
the radio broadcast. If you are watching a local game on Direct TV for
instance, the TV signal has been through the cameras, the truck, a line to
the local station, uplink to satellite, then back down to your dish. Your
local radio broadcast goes to the tower and then to your house. That's quite
a difference and will result in massive sync differences.