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Anyolne noticed that quite a few channels now don't indicate the end of the
ad break - especially with films. It just goes from the last advert straight back into the film. I'm sure they used to play a little tune or something between the ads and the restart of the film... The cynic in me says its to encourage you watch the adverts 'cause if you're in the kitchen making a cuppa, you won't know when the film has started again, and you're likely to miss a minute or two... -- Regards, Chris. (Remove Elvis's shoes to email me) |
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ChrisM wrote: Anyolne noticed that quite a few channels now don't indicate the end of the ad break - especially with films. It just goes from the last advert straight back into the film. I'm sure they used to play a little tune or something between the ads and the restart of the film... The cynic in me says its to encourage you watch the adverts 'cause if you're in the kitchen making a cuppa, you won't know when the film has started again, and you're likely to miss a minute or two... What's happened is ITV have unified the actual times the ads happen - to prevent channel hopping when they come on. Which means crashing in and out of progs not made specifically for these times, as they're too mean to re-edit them properly. It looks like amateur time at the zoo... -- *Stable Relationships Are For Horses. * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Anyolne noticed that quite a few channels now don't indicate the end of the* ad break - especially with films. It just goes from the last advert straight* back into the film. I'm sure they used to play a little tune or something* between the ads and the restart of the film... The cynic in me says its to encourage you watch the adverts 'cause if you're* in the kitchen making a cuppa, you won't know when the film has started* again, and you're likely to miss a minute or two... I assume it's to make it more difficult to find an edit point when spooling through at high speed on your PVR. Without an easily recognisable sponsor's caption I sometimes hit the reverse button a bit late so it takes a little longer to spool back to the exact frame. But I persevere. It's worth it just to watch the programme without interruptions. Rod. |
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I assume it's to make it more difficult to find an edit point when spooling through at high speed on your PVR. Without an easily recognisable sponsor's caption I sometimes hit the reverse button a bit late so it takes a little longer to spool back to the exact frame. But I persevere. It's worth it just to watch the programme without interruptions. Rod. And you need 40 minutes to watch an "hour long" programme ;-). Paul DS |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... What's happened is ITV have unified the actual times the ads happen ... Does this explain why ITV announcers promote their next showing over the dialogue / music at any point in the current programme? This often happens for Morse and Poirrot. |
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...snip... I assume it's to make it more difficult to find an edit point when spooling through at high speed on your PVR. Without an easily recognisable sponsor's caption I sometimes hit the reverse button a bit late so it takes a little longer to spool back to the exact frame. But I persevere. It's worth it just to watch the programme without interruptions. Rod. And you need 40 minutes to watch an "hour long" programme ;-). Paul DS ... or in some cases, 15 minutes - provided you're happy with the 5 min "recap" of the previous 3 parts ;-) PeeGee -- The reply address is a spam trap. All mail is reported as spam. "Nothing should be able to load itself onto a computer without the knowledge or consent of the computer user. Software should also be able to be removed from a computer easily." Peter Cullen, Microsoft Chief Privacy Strategist (Computing 18 Aug 05) |
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:22:08 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , ChrisM wrote: Anyolne noticed that quite a few channels now don't indicate the end of the ad break - especially with films. It just goes from the last advert straight back into the film. I'm sure they used to play a little tune or something between the ads and the restart of the film... The cynic in me says its to encourage you watch the adverts 'cause if you're in the kitchen making a cuppa, you won't know when the film has started again, and you're likely to miss a minute or two... What's happened is ITV have unified the actual times the ads happen - to prevent channel hopping when they come on. Which means crashing in and out of progs not made specifically for these times, as they're too mean to re-edit them properly. It looks like amateur time at the zoo... What do you mean 'unified the actual times'? Unified from what? Surely the ads were always at the same time in each ITV Region if the same programme was being shown? I can't imaging that STV would show the ads during The Bill at a different time from Granada. In any event very few people can watch more than one ITV Region anyway and most of the time they are showing the same programmes. Or are you saying the ads are shown at the same time on ITV, Channel Four and five? Neither of these is part of ITV. Or do you mean ITV1, ITV2, ITV3 and ITV4? Surely if this were to happen the ITV1 timings would prevail as it has the bulk of the audience? Why does that mean they cannot show an identifier at the start and end of the ads? |
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Scott wrote: What do you mean 'unified the actual times'? Unified from what? Surely the ads were always at the same time in each ITV Region if the same programme was being shown? I can't imaging that STV would show the ads during The Bill at a different time from Granada. Why not, they weren't necessarily showing the same episode of some series. This used to upset people holidaying in another part of the country - they tuned in for their regular weekly 'fix' and it was a "repeat" - or a year ahead. -- From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 |
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:40:56 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote: In article , Scott wrote: What do you mean 'unified the actual times'? Unified from what? Surely the ads were always at the same time in each ITV Region if the same programme was being shown? I can't imaging that STV would show the ads during The Bill at a different time from Granada. Why not, they weren't necessarily showing the same episode of some series. This used to upset people holidaying in another part of the country - they tuned in for their regular weekly 'fix' and it was a "repeat" - or a year ahead. Okay but in these days (of analogue TV) how many people had a choice of ITV Region to watch and why would you channel hop if they wre showing different episodes of the same series? |
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In article , ChrisM wrote: Anyolne noticed that quite a few channels now don't indicate the end of the ad break - especially with films. It just goes from the last advert straight back into the film. I'm sure they used to play a little tune or something between the ads and the restart of the film... The cynic in me says its to encourage you watch the adverts 'cause if you're in the kitchen making a cuppa, you won't know when the film has started again, and you're likely to miss a minute or two... I assume it's to make it more difficult to find an edit point when spooling through at high speed on your PVR. Without an easily recognisable sponsor's caption I sometimes hit the reverse button a bit late so it takes a little longer to spool back to the exact frame. But I persevere. It's worth it just to watch the programme without interruptions. Rod. Yeah, i think you have it right. I normally look for that little blackout section after the caption or prog title to edit cleanly and it is getting harder to find. -- Paul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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Scott wrote: What's happened is ITV have unified the actual times the ads happen - to prevent channel hopping when they come on. Which means crashing in and out of progs not made specifically for these times, as they're too mean to re-edit them properly. It looks like amateur time at the zoo... What do you mean 'unified the actual times'? Unified from what? Surely the ads were always at the same time in each ITV Region if the same programme was being shown? I can't imaging that STV would show the ads during The Bill at a different time from Granada. In any event very few people can watch more than one ITV Region anyway and most of the time they are showing the same programmes. Unified across the channels under their control. So they all go to a break at exactly the same time. Before there was some tolerance allowed for each part of a show. Now they simply crash in and out of it - unless it's been made to the new standard. And it doesn't half show - you get breaks in the middle of a scene on ITV3, etc. -- *24 hours in a day ... 24 beers in a case ... coincidence? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Dec 3, 8:38 pm, Scott wrote:
Okay but in these days (of analogue TV) how many people had a choice of ITV Region to watch and why would you channel hop if they wre showing different episodes of the same series? A friend of my Dad's would flick from Southern ITV to Thames during the ad break on Crossroads. More often than not his wife didn't notice she was watching a different 'Part 2' :-) |
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In article , Paul D.Smith wrote:
....snip... [...]It's worth it* just to watch the programme without interruptions. Rod. And you need 40 minutes to watch an "hour long" programme ;-). Yes, and a two hour programme usually ends up at about 90 minutes. With practice it need only take about 5-10 minutes to whittle it down to its true running length, so not only do I get to watch the programme as its makers intended, but I save a bit of time as well. It's quite astonishing to realise how much time used to be wasted sitting through expensively produced entreaties to buy things I neither need nor want. Rod. |
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:44:13 GMT, Paul Heslop
wrote: Roderick Stewart wrote: In article , ChrisM wrote: Anyolne noticed that quite a few channels now don't indicate the end of the ad break - especially with films. It just goes from the last advert straight back into the film. I'm sure they used to play a little tune or something between the ads and the restart of the film... The cynic in me says its to encourage you watch the adverts 'cause if you're in the kitchen making a cuppa, you won't know when the film has started again, and you're likely to miss a minute or two... I assume it's to make it more difficult to find an edit point when spooling through at high speed on your PVR. Without an easily recognisable sponsor's caption I sometimes hit the reverse button a bit late so it takes a little longer to spool back to the exact frame. But I persevere. It's worth it just to watch the programme without interruptions. Rod. Yeah, i think you have it right. I normally look for that little blackout section after the caption or prog title to edit cleanly and it is getting harder to find. It's probably also to make it very difficult to automate the removal of adverts. M |
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ChrisM wrote:
Anyolne noticed that quite a few channels now don't indicate the end of the ad break - especially with films. It just goes from the last advert straight back into the film. I'm sure they used to play a little tune or something between the ads and the restart of the film... The cynic in me says its to encourage you watch the adverts 'cause if you're in the kitchen making a cuppa, you won't know when the film has started again, and you're likely to miss a minute or two... Makes them harder to scan/skip past when watching recorded versions too. BugBear |
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:44:13 GMT, Paul Heslop wrote: Roderick Stewart wrote: In article , ChrisM wrote: Anyolne noticed that quite a few channels now don't indicate the end of the ad break - especially with films. It just goes from the last advert straight back into the film. I'm sure they used to play a little tune or something between the ads and the restart of the film... The cynic in me says its to encourage you watch the adverts 'cause if you're in the kitchen making a cuppa, you won't know when the film has started again, and you're likely to miss a minute or two... I assume it's to make it more difficult to find an edit point when spooling through at high speed on your PVR. Without an easily recognisable sponsor's caption I sometimes hit the reverse button a bit late so it takes a little longer to spool back to the exact frame. But I persevere. It's worth it just to watch the programme without interruptions. Rod. Yeah, i think you have it right. I normally look for that little blackout section after the caption or prog title to edit cleanly and it is getting harder to find. It's probably also to make it very difficult to automate the removal of adverts. M Yep, but mainly I'd say just to make it a royal pain in the ass. I wonder what they have done with that system which was supposed to stop us being able to turn over during ad breaks? -- Paul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:28:49 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Scott wrote: What's happened is ITV have unified the actual times the ads happen - to prevent channel hopping when they come on. Which means crashing in and out of progs not made specifically for these times, as they're too mean to re-edit them properly. It looks like amateur time at the zoo... What do you mean 'unified the actual times'? Unified from what? Surely the ads were always at the same time in each ITV Region if the same programme was being shown? I can't imaging that STV would show the ads during The Bill at a different time from Granada. In any event very few people can watch more than one ITV Region anyway and most of the time they are showing the same programmes. Unified across the channels under their control. So they all go to a break at exactly the same time. Before there was some tolerance allowed for each part of a show. Now they simply crash in and out of it - unless it's been made to the new standard. And it doesn't half show - you get breaks in the middle of a scene on ITV3, etc. Four out of 30 Freeview or 300 satellite channels. That will stop channel hopping dead in its tracks. |
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Mike Henry wrote: In , "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , Scott wrote: Unified across the channels under their control. So they all go to a break at exactly the same time. Before there was some tolerance allowed for each part of a show. Now they simply crash in and out of it - unless it's been made to the new standard. And it doesn't half show - you get breaks in the middle of a scene on ITV3, etc. I thought that having a break in the middle of a scene was a breach of Ofcom rules... Oh they don't go back to the same scene. Just chop some of it out. -- *Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Scott wrote: Unified across the channels under their control. So they all go to a break at exactly the same time. Before there was some tolerance allowed for each part of a show. Now they simply crash in and out of it - unless it's been made to the new standard. And it doesn't half show - you get breaks in the middle of a scene on ITV3, etc. Four out of 30 Freeview or 300 satellite channels. That will stop channel hopping dead in its tracks. Seems to include the CH5 lot too. Not sure about Ch4. -- *Ah, I see the f**k-up fairy has visited us again Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In message , Mike Henry
writes In , "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , Scott wrote: Unified across the channels under their control. So they all go to a break at exactly the same time. Before there was some tolerance allowed for each part of a show. Now they simply crash in and out of it - unless it's been made to the new standard. And it doesn't half show - you get breaks in the middle of a scene on ITV3, etc. I thought that having a break in the middle of a scene was a breach of Ofcom rules... I've seen a break in the middle of a sentence. Most television programmes are treated like the original "soaps". Their purpose is to sell stuff, and to those in charge, the content is only relevant in it's ability to "groom" the viewer for buying. That's why they think it's OK to cover the screen In graffiti, and have breaks only 4 mins in, and 4 mins from the end, and squash the credits, and, well you know the rest. They've always hated their stuff being recorded, and what better way to stop it than to make it so ugly, no-one would want to keep it. -- Ian |
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:42:23 +0000, Ian
wrote: In message , Mike Henry writes In , "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , Scott wrote: Unified across the channels under their control. So they all go to a break at exactly the same time. Before there was some tolerance allowed for each part of a show. Now they simply crash in and out of it - unless it's been made to the new standard. And it doesn't half show - you get breaks in the middle of a scene on ITV3, etc. I thought that having a break in the middle of a scene was a breach of Ofcom rules... I've seen a break in the middle of a sentence. Most television programmes are treated like the original "soaps". Their purpose is to sell stuff, and to those in charge, the content is only relevant in it's ability to "groom" the viewer for buying. That's why they think it's OK to cover the screen In graffiti, and have breaks only 4 mins in, and 4 mins from the end, and squash the credits, and, well you know the rest. Indeed. But I wonder why the BBC do this (the graffiti and squashed credits that is)? They've always hated their stuff being recorded, and what better way to stop it than to make it so ugly, no-one would want to keep it. And noone would want to watch it either. M. |
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On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:01:30 GMT, Paul Heslop
wrote: Mark wrote: On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:44:13 GMT, Paul Heslop wrote: Roderick Stewart wrote: In article , ChrisM wrote: Anyolne noticed that quite a few channels now don't indicate the end of the ad break - especially with films. It just goes from the last advert straight back into the film. I'm sure they used to play a little tune or something between the ads and the restart of the film... The cynic in me says its to encourage you watch the adverts 'cause if you're in the kitchen making a cuppa, you won't know when the film has started again, and you're likely to miss a minute or two... I assume it's to make it more difficult to find an edit point when spooling through at high speed on your PVR. Without an easily recognisable sponsor's caption I sometimes hit the reverse button a bit late so it takes a little longer to spool back to the exact frame. But I persevere. It's worth it just to watch the programme without interruptions. Rod. Yeah, i think you have it right. I normally look for that little blackout section after the caption or prog title to edit cleanly and it is getting harder to find. It's probably also to make it very difficult to automate the removal of adverts. M Yep, but mainly I'd say just to make it a royal pain in the ass. I wonder what they have done with that system which was supposed to stop us being able to turn over during ad breaks? Hide the remote control? ;-) M |
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Ian wrote: I thought that having a break in the middle of a scene was a breach of Ofcom rules... I've seen a break in the middle of a sentence. Indeed - especially on the channels showing re-runs - like say ITV3. The break appears to just happen regardless of the actual prog. If there's background music often in the middle of a phrase. No programme was ever made like that. Easily proved as the original EOP & BOP caption and sting are missing. -- *Remember not to forget that which you do not need to know.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , Mark wrote:
Most television programmes are treated like the original "soaps". Their purpose is to sell stuff, and to those in charge, the content is* only relevant in it's ability to "groom" the viewer for buying. That's why they think it's OK to cover the screen In graffiti, and have* breaks only 4 mins in, and 4 mins from the end, and squash the credits,* and, well you know the rest. Indeed. *But I wonder why the BBC do this (the graffiti and squashed credits that is)? They want you to buy the DVD. They've clearly forgotten that they're supposed to be a public service broadcaster so that their primary obligations are towards the people to whom they are broadcasting. They think they're a commercial outfit committed to the acquisition of money like all the others, the broadcasts being merely a storefront for their core business, and thus behave more like them every day. By doing so they gradually erode any possible justification for being financed by methods any different from those of the commercial broadcasters and are thereby sowing the seeds of their own demise. You mark my words. Rod. |
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In article , Ian
wrote: In message , Mike Henry writes In , "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , Scott wrote: Unified across the channels under their control. So they all go to a break at exactly the same time. Before there was some tolerance allowed for each part of a show. Now they simply crash in and out of it - unless it's been made to the new standard. And it doesn't half show - you get breaks in the middle of a scene on ITV3, etc. I thought that having a break in the middle of a scene was a breach of Ofcom rules... I've seen a break in the middle of a sentence. Most television programmes are treated like the original "soaps". Their purpose is to sell stuff, and to those in charge, the content is only relevant in it's ability to "groom" the viewer for buying. That's why they think it's OK to cover the screen In graffiti, and have breaks only 4 mins in, and 4 mins from the end, and squash the credits, and, well you know the rest. The squashing of the credits is really beginning to bug me as in several programmes I have seen a character but not recognised the actor plying them. I've remembered the characters name at the end of the programme and as soon as I want to see the actors name in the credits they squash it down so I can't read it! |
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from Mark contains these words: On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:42:23 +0000, Ian wrote: In message , Mike Henry writes In , "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , Scott wrote: Unified across the channels under their control. So they all go to a break at exactly the same time. Before there was some tolerance allowed for each part of a show. Now they simply crash in and out of it - unless it's been made to the new standard. And it doesn't half show - you get breaks in the middle of a scene on ITV3, etc. I thought that having a break in the middle of a scene was a breach of Ofcom rules... I've seen a break in the middle of a sentence. Most television programmes are treated like the original "soaps". Their purpose is to sell stuff, and to those in charge, the content is only relevant in it's ability to "groom" the viewer for buying. That's why they think it's OK to cover the screen In graffiti, and have breaks only 4 mins in, and 4 mins from the end, and squash the credits, and, well you know the rest. Indeed. But I wonder why the BBC do this (the graffiti and squashed credits that is)? One would hope this is the run up to a total reversion to the 'Good Old Days' when continuity was just that (i.e. an announcer filling in the gaps _between_ programs) with the resultant boost in viewing figures being used to justify (and carry out - with 'predjudice') the complete elimination of the "Branding" dept. It's only my own personal theory, of course, but the fact that the BBC have been airing the 'Charlie Brookers Screenwipe" series where he has so eloquently expressed my (and most everyone elses) total and utter contempt of and disgust with the practice of squashing end credits, shouting over the end credits and even popping up annoying graphics just _before_ the end credits, rather suggests they are giving the 'Marketing' and 'Branding' depts employees advance warning to go in search of a 'real job'. :-) They've always hated their stuff being recorded, and what better way to stop it than to make it so ugly, no-one would want to keep it. Not really an issue if you have basic mpg editing facilities to top and tail and snip out the ads. It's either going to be a 'must have' program' which the broadcaster might discard in order to recycle the storage media, or else, you're going to save a small fortune over the cost of buying the DVD release. In this case, any such edits will be a statement which effectively says "Up yours, you feckin' greedy b'caster! I'm not going spend my hard earned on your marketing scams!" And no one would want to watch it either. For ITV, this is generally true anyway! It seems (IMHO) that it is only Channel Four which has regular exceptions to this rule. -- Regards, John. Please remove the "ohggcyht" before replying. The address has been munged to reject Spam-bots. |
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In article , Michael Chappell wrote:
The squashing of the credits is really beginning to bug me as in several programmes I have seen a character but not recognised the actor plying them. I've remembered the characters name at the end of the programme and as soon as I want to see the actors name in the credits they squash it down so I can't read it! Thank goodness for the likes of Digiguide and IMDB. The broadcasters themselves should of course be able to provide basic background information about their own programmes with the minimum of fuss, but if they can't or won't, then at least it is available elsewhere. Rod. |
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:08:33 -0000, Roderick Stewart wrote: In article , Michael Chappell wrote: The squashing of the credits is really beginning to bug me as in several programmes I have seen a character but not recognised the actor plying them. I've remembered the characters name at the end of the programme and as soon as I want to see the actors name in the credits they squash it down so I can't read it! Thank goodness for the likes of Digiguide and IMDB. The broadcasters themselves should of course be able to provide basic background information about their own programmes with the minimum of fuss, but if they can't or won't, then at least it is available elsewhere. Just where do you think imdb gets its entries from? It's not from a carefully prepared list in a large font from the broadcaster It's not typed in by the production company Its not as a direct xml file transfer to imdb's servers It's not sent on a CD via TNT Squashed credits severely reduce the ability of those that populate imdb free of charge for the benefit of the rest of us to do their work. Squashed credits stink. -- |
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On 7 Dec, 13:12, Mike wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:08:33 -0000, Roderick Stewart wrote: In article , Michael Chappell wrote: The squashing of the credits is really beginning to bug me as in several programmes I have seen a character but not recognised the actor plying them. I've remembered the characters name at the end of the programme and as soon as I want to see the actors name in the credits they squash it down so I can't read it! Thank goodness for the likes of Digiguide and IMDB. The broadcasters themselves should of course be able to provide basic background information about their own programmes with the minimum of fuss, but if they can't or won't, then at least it is available elsewhere. Just where do you think imdb gets its entries from? It's not from a carefully prepared list in a large font from the broadcaster It's not typed in by the production company Its not as a direct xml file transfer to imdb's servers It's not sent on a CD via TNT Squashed credits severely reduce the ability of those that populate imdb free of charge for the benefit of the rest of us to do their work. Squashed credits stink. Given the low esteem that many people here hold programme makers in, perhaps those in the credits don't deserve to be given credit, because credit where credit's due, hence lack-of-credit where lack-of-credit's due? |
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