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I cannot believe that it is November 14th, 2007 and LG has still not
released a 6th generation HDTV tuner. I e-mail LG and Samsung every
so often to ask for news and get nothing. Think of all the people who
have HD capable TVs but no tuner, or just older lousy tuners they are
not happy with. Think about all the people with front projectors that
need HD tuners.

I want an over-the-air full HD tuner using the 6th generation LG chip
with a hard drive that will record both standard definition and full
1080 and 720 HD TV programs at full resolution. I think the market for
such a product is huge, but LG only sells an old model that does not
actually decode full HD from the air, it just down-converts full HD
signals to standard definition and feeds you crap.

I would buy today either a 6th generation Samsung or 6th generation LG
full HDTV receiver with a built in computer style hard drive. Hard
drives are so big and cheap these days and they have just about gotten
everything you need for the tuner on one single $15. chip, so I do not
see the hold-up. I mean look at how excessively complex 7.1 channel
audio receivers are. A HDTV tuner-recorder should be a piece of cake
for them.

Please post if anyone has any inside information on such a product
coming to market.

IB

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On Nov 14, 4:47 pm, "Matthew L. Martin" wrote:
wrote:
I cannot believe that it is November 14th, 2007 and LG has still not
released a 6th generation HDTV tuner. I e-mail LG and Samsung every
so often to ask for news and get nothing. Think of all the people who
have HD capable TVs but no tuner, or just older lousy tuners they are
not happy with. Think about all the people with front projectors that
need HD tuners.

I want an over-the-air full HD tuner using the 6th generation LG chip
with a hard drive that will record both standard definition and full
1080 and 720 HD TV programs at full resolution. I think the market for
such a product is huge, but LG only sells an old model that does not
actually decode full HD from the air, it just down-converts full HD
signals to standard definition and feeds you crap.

I would buy today either a 6th generation Samsung or 6th generation LG
full HDTV receiver with a built in computer style hard drive. Hard
drives are so big and cheap these days and they have just about gotten
everything you need for the tuner on one single $15. chip, so I do not
see the hold-up. I mean look at how excessively complex 7.1 channel
audio receivers are. A HDTV tuner-recorder should be a piece of cake
for them.

Please post if anyone has any inside information on such a product
coming to market.

What are you going to do when they announce the 7th generation chip
before the 6th is shipped?

Haven't you been whinging about receivers since the 4th generation was
current?

Matthew

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I want one with a hard drive. LG has never issued a 5th generation
HDTV tuner. The current Samsung model is minimally OK, but no hard
drive. The last 4th generation HDTV tuner LG made was not good enough
for my situation. I would accept a 6th generation Samsung product,
but would rather have an LG, which I believe has a better chip.

The smallest computer hard drive you can get from Dell in a desktop
computer is now 320 GB. They are cheap and adding the hard drive to
the tuner should not cost more than another $150. I figure a good
tuner is worth $200., and one with a hard drive is worth $350. at
todays low cost of parts. I believe the tuner chips now sell for
around $15. and have about everything you need on one chip.

IB

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" wrote:


I want one with a hard drive. LG has never issued a 5th generation
HDTV tuner. The current Samsung model is minimally OK, but no hard
drive. The last 4th generation HDTV tuner LG made was not good enough
for my situation. I would accept a 6th generation Samsung product,
but would rather have an LG, which I believe has a better chip.


IB

LG 5th generation chips are in the H20-600 Directv hd box.

Chip

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:36:36 -0800 wrote:

| I cannot believe that it is November 14th, 2007 and LG has still not
| released a 6th generation HDTV tuner. I e-mail LG and Samsung every
| so often to ask for news and get nothing. Think of all the people who
| have HD capable TVs but no tuner, or just older lousy tuners they are
| not happy with. Think about all the people with front projectors that
| need HD tuners.

Have you even managed to get them to read any email at all?


| I want an over-the-air full HD tuner using the 6th generation LG chip
| with a hard drive that will record both standard definition and full
| 1080 and 720 HD TV programs at full resolution. I think the market for
| such a product is huge, but LG only sells an old model that does not
| actually decode full HD from the air, it just down-converts full HD
| signals to standard definition and feeds you crap.

I'd rather just have one that plugs into a computer and is compatible
with BSD and Linux kernel either through existing drivers or with new
open source drivers. Then I can plug in 5 of these and store everything
on my disk drive array.


| I would buy today either a 6th generation Samsung or 6th generation LG
| full HDTV receiver with a built in computer style hard drive. Hard
| drives are so big and cheap these days and they have just about gotten
| everything you need for the tuner on one single $15. chip, so I do not
| see the hold-up. I mean look at how excessively complex 7.1 channel
| audio receivers are. A HDTV tuner-recorder should be a piece of cake
| for them.

Why not just have a small tuner with a USB, Firewire, and/or eSATA port
and plug in an external hard drive of your own choosing? Oh wait, that
would be a computer.

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On Nov 14, 5:47 pm, wrote:
" wrote:

I want one with a hard drive. LG has never issued a 5th generation
HDTV tuner. The current Samsung model is minimally OK, but no hard
drive. The last 4th generation HDTV tuner LG made was not good enough
for my situation. I would accept a 6th generation Samsung product,
but would rather have an LG, which I believe has a better chip.

IB

LG 5th generation chips are in the H20-600 Directv hd box.

Chip

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You have to buy a sat subscription when you buy that box. Also, it has
no hard drive.

IB

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On Nov 14, 5:56 pm, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:36:36 -0800 wrote:

| I cannot believe that it is November 14th, 2007 and LG has still not
| released a 6th generation HDTV tuner. I e-mail LG and Samsung every
| so often to ask for news and get nothing. Think of all the people who
| have HD capable TVs but no tuner, or just older lousy tuners they are
| not happy with. Think about all the people with front projectors that
| need HD tuners.

Have you even managed to get them to read any email at all?

| I want an over-the-air full HD tuner using the 6th generation LG chip
| with a hard drive that will record both standard definition and full
| 1080 and 720 HD TV programs at full resolution. I think the market for
| such a product is huge, but LG only sells an old model that does not
| actually decode full HD from the air, it just down-converts full HD
| signals to standard definition and feeds you crap.

I'd rather just have one that plugs into a computer and is compatible
with BSD and Linux kernel either through existing drivers or with new
open source drivers. Then I can plug in 5 of these and store everything
on my disk drive array.

| I would buy today either a 6th generation Samsung or 6th generation LG
| full HDTV receiver with a built in computer style hard drive. Hard
| drives are so big and cheap these days and they have just about gotten
| everything you need for the tuner on one single $15. chip, so I do not
| see the hold-up. I mean look at how excessively complex 7.1 channel
| audio receivers are. A HDTV tuner-recorder should be a piece of cake
| for them.

Why not just have a small tuner with a USB, Firewire, and/or eSATA port
and plug in an external hard drive of your own choosing? Oh wait, that
would be a computer.

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| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / |
|------------------------------------/--------------------------------------|

I don't want have to boot up my computer just to watch TV, or run
wires from my computer to my TV room.

IB

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" wrote:
On Nov 14, 5:47 pm, wrote:
" wrote:

I want one with a hard drive. LG has never issued a 5th generation
HDTV tuner. The current Samsung model is minimally OK, but no hard
drive. The last 4th generation HDTV tuner LG made was not good
enough for my situation. I would accept a 6th generation Samsung
product, but would rather have an LG, which I believe has a better
chip.

IB

LG 5th generation chips are in the H20-600 Directv hd box.

Chip

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You have to buy a sat subscription when you buy that box. Also, it has
no hard drive.

IB

All true. I was just pointing out that LG did make a box with that chip.

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ATSC tuners are not out there a lot yet. I did get a ATSC SDTV tuner
from Newegg.com.
It is now out of stock. I use a $12 RatShack rabbit ears and get ALL
my local OTA digital channels to feed my older 27" in the bedroom.

I also got a Philips Hard Disk DVD Recorder
Model #: PHL DVDR3575H from Circuit city. The HDD is 160 gigs.
SD takes about 1.5GB per hour while HD in theory hits 8.7 GB. It is a
SD recorder.

The Philips tunes SDTV down converts for recording and upconverts HD
for my LCD wide screen in the living room.

With that said, I read somewhere that the "industry" has regulated SD
only for recording, at this time. Not sure about this.

Any ways, both these units work well. I do loose a little clarity
with down and up convert.
I am a happy camper, at this time.

my 2¢ YB


On Nov 14, 8:36 pm, wrote:
" wrote:
On Nov 14, 5:47 pm, wrote:
" wrote:

I want one with a hard drive. LG has never issued a 5th generation
HDTV tuner. The current Samsung model is minimally OK, but no hard
drive. The last 4th generation HDTV tuner LG made was not good
enough for my situation. I would accept a 6th generation Samsung
product, but would rather have an LG, which I believe has a better
chip.

IB

LG 5th generation chips are in the H20-600 Directv hd box.

Chip

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no hard drive.

IB

All true. I was just pointing out that LG did make a box with that chip.

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On Nov 14, 7:16 pm, "
wrote:
On Nov 14, 5:56 pm, wrote:
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Why not just have a small tuner with a USB, Firewire, and/or
eSATA port
and plug in an external hard drive of your own choosing? Oh
wait, that
would be a computer.

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I don't want have to boot up my computer just to watch TV, or run
wires from my computer to my TV room.

IB

Once you get used to booting your TV, it's no problem at all.

GG

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wrote in message
...
On Nov 14, 5:56 pm, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:36:36 -0800
wrote:

| I cannot believe that it is November 14th, 2007 and LG has still not
| released a 6th generation HDTV tuner. I e-mail LG and Samsung every
| so often to ask for news and get nothing. Think of all the people who
| have HD capable TVs but no tuner, or just older lousy tuners they are
| not happy with. Think about all the people with front projectors that
| need HD tuners.

Have you even managed to get them to read any email at all?

| I want an over-the-air full HD tuner using the 6th generation LG chip
| with a hard drive that will record both standard definition and full
| 1080 and 720 HD TV programs at full resolution. I think the market for
| such a product is huge, but LG only sells an old model that does not
| actually decode full HD from the air, it just down-converts full HD
| signals to standard definition and feeds you crap.

I'd rather just have one that plugs into a computer and is compatible
with BSD and Linux kernel either through existing drivers or with new
open source drivers. Then I can plug in 5 of these and store everything
on my disk drive array.

| I would buy today either a 6th generation Samsung or 6th generation LG
| full HDTV receiver with a built in computer style hard drive. Hard
| drives are so big and cheap these days and they have just about gotten
| everything you need for the tuner on one single $15. chip, so I do not
| see the hold-up. I mean look at how excessively complex 7.1 channel
| audio receivers are. A HDTV tuner-recorder should be a piece of cake
| for them.

Why not just have a small tuner with a USB, Firewire, and/or eSATA port
and plug in an external hard drive of your own choosing? Oh wait, that
would be a computer.

I don't want have to boot up my computer just to watch TV, or run
wires from my computer to my TV room.
IB--


A cheap 400mhz PC from ebay etc. can easily run a myhd card. Keep it in the
TV room. The ATSC tuner in it does work pretty well.


"There's nothing on it worthwhile, and we're not going to watch it in this
household, and I don't want it in your intellectual diet."
- Philo T. Farnsworth

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:16:39 -0800 (PST) wrote:

| I don't want have to boot up my computer just to watch TV, or run
| wires from my computer to my TV room.

With a properly built system, you just "turn it on" and in a couple seconds
you have video. I'm not talking about Windows or Red Hat.

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I don't want have to boot up my computer just to watch TV, or run
wires from my computer to my TV room.

=================================
You turn your computer off?

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On Nov 16, 12:48 am, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:16:39 -0800 (PST) wrote:

| I don't want have to boot up my computer just to watch TV, or run
| wires from my computer to my TV room.

With a properly built system, you just "turn it on" and in a couple seconds
you have video. I'm not talking about Windows or Red Hat.


Nothing wrong with Windows, XP-ing it here. My first build, well, I'd
be ashamed to say, being so very long ago (before HDs). I've never
bought (or sold) a computer I didn't build. The biggest problem with
a homebuild (after exhaustively researching HDTVs across a couch from
the computer), is don't do what I did, but be sure to get the
motherboard that says "wakes up" when IR keyboard/mouse is jiggled.
Really, the activation time for a HDTV set to come out of standby or
power up is negligible to XP booting (properly, primary partition is
OS-only, efficiently maintained and then Ghosted, toss in a boot
arbitrator, with program installs always going to another partition as
links into the OS, physically separated).