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Ralph Mowery October 25th 07 06:49 PM

washed out programs
 
I never payed it any attention on the old set but on a New Westinghouse 42
inch LCD display some of the older programs seem to be 'washed out'.

The color on the real HD shows such as the world series and HD local news
seem fine. Is the washed out looking screen comming from the station, or is
there some adjustment for this ? I know there are a bunch of adjustments to
setup for this set I did not have to deal with on the older CRT TV.



G-squared October 25th 07 08:00 PM

washed out programs
 
On Oct 25, 9:49 am, "Ralph Mowery" wrote:
I never payed it any attention on the old set but on a New Westinghouse 42
inch LCD display some of the older programs seem to be 'washed out'.

The color on the real HD shows such as the world series and HD local news
seem fine. Is the washed out looking screen comming from the station, or is
there some adjustment for this ? I know there are a bunch of adjustments to
setup for this set I did not have to deal with on the older CRT TV.


Our Samsung has separate color, brightness, contrast and sharpness for
each input to deal with your issue. Does the Westinghouse work that
way?

GG


Ralph Mowery October 25th 07 08:19 PM

washed out programs
 

"G-squared" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 25, 9:49 am, "Ralph Mowery" wrote:
I never payed it any attention on the old set but on a New Westinghouse
42
inch LCD display some of the older programs seem to be 'washed out'.

The color on the real HD shows such as the world series and HD local news
seem fine. Is the washed out looking screen comming from the station, or
is
there some adjustment for this ? I know there are a bunch of adjustments
to
setup for this set I did not have to deal with on the older CRT TV.


Our Samsung has separate color, brightness, contrast and sharpness for
each input to deal with your issue. Does the Westinghouse work that
way?

GG

It might, but the effect I am seeing is all comming off the same input. I
have cable vision and a digital cable box that is HD. All the 'good' and
'washed out' effects is comming on the same set of wires. Say If I go to
channel 10 on the cabel box the picture looks fine. If I go to chanel 11 to
pix will look washed out. Just looked and reurns of Bonanza was showing and
it was fine an on another channel Star trek Voyger was on and it is washed
out.



Agent_C October 25th 07 09:17 PM

washed out programs
 
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:49:14 -0400, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:

[...]some of the older programs seem to be 'washed out'.


Just to be clear here, are you distinguishing between high-definition
and standard-definition programs? If so, the video for SD programs
will indeed be inferior; that's to be expected.

Regular TV (standard definition) generally looks worse on HD sets than
on the old style TV tubes (CRT's). That's one of the real downsides of
upgrading to a fancy new wide-screen, SD generally looks like ****.

A_C



Ralph Mowery October 25th 07 10:24 PM

washed out programs
 

"Agent_C" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:49:14 -0400, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:

[...]some of the older programs seem to be 'washed out'.


Just to be clear here, are you distinguishing between high-definition
and standard-definition programs? If so, the video for SD programs
will indeed be inferior; that's to be expected.

Regular TV (standard definition) generally looks worse on HD sets than
on the old style TV tubes (CRT's). That's one of the real downsides of
upgrading to a fancy new wide-screen, SD generally looks like ****.

A_C


This is compairing one SD program to another SD program. One will look ok,
but another will look like an old color photograph that has been left out in
the sun and the colors are starting to be bleached out. I wish I had the
old SD CRT set so I could compair the stations to see if the effect was the
same on it or not. Just did not pay attention to the old set as there was
no color adjustments. When I got the HD set I found I had to set it up for
the colors and such similar to the first color set I got back around 1966 or
so. That was not a problem, but it is also when I noticed the washed out
effect on some shows.





George[_3_] October 26th 07 01:28 PM

washed out programs
 


Ralph Mowery wrote:



This is compairing one SD program to another SD program. One will look ok,
but another will look like an old color photograph that has been left out in
the sun and the colors are starting to be bleached out. I wish I had the
old SD CRT set so I could compair the stations to see if the effect was the
same on it or not. Just did not pay attention to the old set as there was
no color adjustments. When I got the HD set I found I had to set it up for
the colors and such similar to the first color set I got back around 1966 or
so. That was not a problem, but it is also when I noticed the washed out
effect on some shows.


Many converter boxes (mine included) just do not do a good job on SD or old
NTSC video when in HD mode. Yes part of problem is with TV station but much of
it is with your box, set and setup.

My converter box outputs both HD and SD on different connectors. Yours probably
does too. I feed both outputs to my 37 inch Sharp Aquos LCD set on different
inputs. (The SD output actually goes to a DVD recorder and then to set.) Then I
switch between the inputs with the set. Use different TV setting, such as
brightness and contrast, for the two inputs.

I have found that the SD video processed by Sharp is much better than same
program processed by the box and converted to HD. The artifacts you mentioned
are gone. Also have much improved blacks.

You can switch back and forth between the HD and SD inputs and see the dramatic
difference.

I discovered this a few years ago when I converted to HDTV and ran my Sony 27
inch next to my new Aquos. Why was there such a big difference on SD video, I
asked? Using both inputs solved the problem. Its a bit of a hassle to switch the
inputs for different program material but worth it IMHO if you value picture
quality. Don't believe that all the picture problems are with the station.

Hope this helps.

George



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