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SCART through the wall
Hi All,
As part of the upgrade to my "Poor Mans Home Cinema System", I am going to get a BT Vision box. In order to make room for this I plan to move the Sky box to the next room, but would like to still connect up to the VCR via SCART. I don't think the memsahib would be happy with huge holes drilled in the wall, so can anyone recommend a SCART lead which could be partially dismantled, and would then fit through a smaller hole than other? |
SCART through the wall
wrote in message ups.com... Hi All, As part of the upgrade to my "Poor Mans Home Cinema System", I am going to get a BT Vision box. In order to make room for this I plan to move the Sky box to the next room, but would like to still connect up to the VCR via SCART. I don't think the memsahib would be happy with huge holes drilled in the wall, so can anyone recommend a SCART lead which could be partially dismantled, and would then fit through a smaller hole than other? Most of them dismantle. You might be better getting a Scart face plate and wiring up properly. The VCR connection does not need to be fully wired. |
SCART through the wall
wrote in message
ups.com... Hi All, As part of the upgrade to my "Poor Mans Home Cinema System", I am going to get a BT Vision box. In order to make room for this I plan to move the Sky box to the next room, but would like to still connect up to the VCR via SCART. I don't think the memsahib would be happy with huge holes drilled in the wall, so can anyone recommend a SCART lead which could be partially dismantled, and would then fit through a smaller hole than other? Is your wall solid or hollow? If the latter, how about cutting a slot, passing through the cable and then plastering up the hole (look for aluminium mesh that can be laid over the slot to form something for the plaster to grip)? Would even work for solid walls but clearly more effort required cutting the hole. Alternatively, wall mounted SCART socket each side and carefully wire between them yourself? Paul DS. |
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On 5 Sep, 16:03, "Paul D.Smith" wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... Hi All, As part of the upgrade to my "Poor Mans Home Cinema System", I am going to get a BT Vision box. In order to make room for this I plan to move the Sky box to the next room, but would like to still connect up to the VCR via SCART. I don't think the memsahib would be happy with huge holes drilled in the wall, so can anyone recommend a SCART lead which could be partially dismantled, and would then fit through a smaller hole than other? Is your wall solid or hollow? If the latter, how about cutting a slot, passing through the cable and then plastering up the hole (look for aluminium mesh that can be laid over the slot to form something for the plaster to grip)? Would even work for solid walls but clearly more effort required cutting the hole. Alternatively, wall mounted SCART socket each side and carefully wire between them yourself? Paul DS. All good suggestions Paul. It is a solid (from memory very solid!) wall, and I don't think i'll get planning permission to make large holes in it (even temporarily) I also don't fancy wiring up 21 pins each side. I might see if I can figure out which pins the Hitachi VCR uses for it's "Wake me up and i'll record" feature, and then i've just got to do Composite out, Audio Out L&R, and the switching pin, that wouldn't bee too bad. |
SCART through the wall
wrote in message oups.com... On 5 Sep, 16:03, "Paul D.Smith" wrote: All good suggestions Paul. It is a solid (from memory very solid!) wall, and I don't think i'll get planning permission to make large holes in it (even temporarily) I also don't fancy wiring up 21 pins each side. I might see if I can figure out which pins the Hitachi VCR uses for it's "Wake me up and i'll record" feature, and then i've just got to do Composite out, Audio Out L&R, and the switching pin, that wouldn't bee too bad. This is what I usually do, using miniature 75ohm coax from Maplins. The other oprion is to use a ribbon scart from CPC and cut it (diagonally). Rolled up it will pass thro a small hole and they are very easy to join up again using solder and heat shrink. Bill |
SCART through the wall
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wrote: As part of the upgrade to my "Poor Mans Home Cinema System", I am going to get a BT Vision box. In order to make room for this I plan to move the Sky box to the next room, but would like to still connect up to the VCR via SCART. I don't think the memsahib would be happy with huge holes drilled in the wall, so can anyone recommend a SCART lead which could be partially dismantled, and would then fit through a smaller hole than other? Pretty well all of the normal round cable SCART leads can have the plug removed and replaced. But you'll need to be reasonably good at soldering and possess a suitable soldering iron. Or you could simply hack off the plug if it's moulded on and fit a new one - they can be bought from Maplin etc for about a quid. Cut into the old plug and use that as a guide to where the wires go. Note they are not the same at both ends - some, but not all, reverse at one end as they are both inputs and outputs. Some flat leads can be opened up too. -- *When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
SCART through the wall
"Bill Wright" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... On 5 Sep, 16:03, "Paul D.Smith" wrote: All good suggestions Paul. It is a solid (from memory very solid!) wall, and I don't think i'll get planning permission to make large holes in it (even temporarily) I also don't fancy wiring up 21 pins each side. I might see if I can figure out which pins the Hitachi VCR uses for it's "Wake me up and i'll record" feature, and then i've just got to do Composite out, Audio Out L&R, and the switching pin, that wouldn't bee too bad. This is what I usually do, using miniature 75ohm coax from Maplins. The other oprion is to use a ribbon scart from CPC and cut it (diagonally). Rolled up it will pass thro a small hole and they are very easy to join up again using solder and heat shrink. Or if the O/P only requires stereo audio with 'composite' video, then a single molded AV phono lead with a couple of those switched phono in/out Scart adapters on each end would do the job nicely, and as long as the plugs were fed through individually, then the hole size could be kept down to a minimum. Bill |
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snip...a ribbon scart from CPC
If by any chance you have fitted carpets and floor boards on each side of the wall you may be able to lift one each side, pass through (and under) a ribbon cable and then replace the boards with the cable coming through gap between boards, and then fold it under the carpet to come up by the skirting board. Not a good thing in terms of potential wear and tear on the cable of course but it might be an acceptable DIY bodge if there is little traffic over the cable? But if you are blessed with modern concrete floors ..... -- Robin |
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On 6 Sep, 00:23, "ThePunisher" wrote:
wrote: Hi All, As part of the upgrade to my "Poor Mans Home Cinema System", I am going to get a BT Vision box. In order to make room for this I plan to move the Sky box to the next room, but would like to still connect up to the VCR via SCART. My suggestion, stop living in a cupboard. The room is plenty big enough (and the floors are 1948 concrete covered in bitumen) it's just that the gap between the shelf and the underside of the TV is vertically challenged. I have already applied for an import licence for a new stand and a 28" Sony Trinitron that a friend of my brother is throwing out, but was refused :=((. I think I will go for making up a SCART cable from a nice offcut of 4 individualy screened coax cable type cable i've just scrounged, or else go for the SCART at one end and phonos at the other with a phono to scart converter to finish the job. |
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Proclaimed from the tallest tower: Hi All, As part of the upgrade to my "Poor Mans Home Cinema System", I am going to get a BT Vision box. In order to make room for this I plan to move the Sky box to the next room, but would like to still connect up to the VCR via SCART. I don't think the memsahib would be happy with huge holes drilled in the wall, so can anyone recommend a SCART lead which could be partially dismantled, and would then fit through a smaller hole than other? http://www.tvcables.co.uk/cgi-bin/tv...all-scart.html ?? -- Regards, Chris. (Remove Elvis's shoes to email me) |
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Proclaimed from the tallest tower: Hi All, As part of the upgrade to my "Poor Mans Home Cinema System", I am going to get a BT Vision box. In order to make room for this I plan to move the Sky box to the next room, but would like to still connect up to the VCR via SCART. I don't think the memsahib would be happy with huge holes drilled in the wall, so can anyone recommend a SCART lead which could be partially dismantled, and would then fit through a smaller hole than other? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marmitek-Inv.../dp/B000MFK2OC ??????? -- Regards, Chris. (Remove Elvis's shoes to email me) |
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On 6 Sep, 16:44, "ChrisM" wrote:
In message om, Proclaimed from the tallest tower: Hi All, As part of the upgrade to my "Poor Mans Home Cinema System", I am going to get a BT Vision box. In order to make room for this I plan to move the Sky box to the next room, but would like to still connect up to the VCR via SCART. I don't think the memsahib would be happy with huge holes drilled in the wall, so can anyone recommend a SCART lead which could be partially dismantled, and would then fit through a smaller hole than other? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marmitek-Inv...reless/dp/B000... £29 Blinking flip mother! I said it was a POOR man's Home Cinema. Actually, that product does look interesting, for if we ever wanted to put all the boxes on the other side of the wall. I don't know if it would cope with the autoswitch on of the VCR though. I've checked the cableing i've got and it's 5 individualy screened & insulated coax, so that's 2 for audio, 1 for composite, one for pin 8 and it's return. Do I need to connect up pin 16? If not could I use the fifth coax for rf2 out (to drive the TV link (Magic Eye)). |
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Proclaimed from the tallest tower: On 6 Sep, 16:44, "ChrisM" wrote: In message om, Proclaimed from the tallest tower: Hi All, As part of the upgrade to my "Poor Mans Home Cinema System", I am going to get a BT Vision box. In order to make room for this I plan to move the Sky box to the next room, but would like to still connect up to the VCR via SCART. I don't think the memsahib would be happy with huge holes drilled in the wall, so can anyone recommend a SCART lead which could be partially dismantled, and would then fit through a smaller hole than other? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marmitek-Inv...reless/dp/B000... £29 Blinking flip mother! I said it was a POOR man's Home Cinema. Actually, that product does look interesting, for if we ever wanted to put all the boxes on the other side of the wall. I don't know if it would cope with the autoswitch on of the VCR though. I've checked the cableing i've got and it's 5 individualy screened & insulated coax, so that's 2 for audio, 1 for composite, one for pin 8 and it's return. Do I need to connect up pin 16? If not could I use the fifth coax for rf2 out (to drive the TV link (Magic Eye)). Hmm, sorry, didn't really look at the price, just did a search for ways of transferring SCART 'through' a wall. Not sure about how it would cope with autoswitching, depends if it is fully 'wired' or not I suppose. Did you see my other post(the SCART lead with un-pluggable ends)? Can't answer your other questions I'm afraid, you'll have to wait for one of those experts to turn up... :-) -- Regards, Chris. (Remove Elvis's shoes to email me) |
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On 7 Sep, 13:19, "ChrisM" wrote:
In message om, Proclaimed from the tallest tower: On 6 Sep, 16:44, "ChrisM" wrote: In message om, Proclaimed from the tallest tower: Hi All, As part of the upgrade to my "Poor Mans Home Cinema System", I am going to get a BT Vision box. In order to make room for this I plan to move the Sky box to the next room, but would like to still connect up to the VCR via SCART. I don't think the memsahib would be happy with huge holes drilled in the wall, so can anyone recommend a SCART lead which could be partially dismantled, and would then fit through a smaller hole than other? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marmitek-Inv...reless/dp/B000... £29 Blinking flip mother! I said it was a POOR man's Home Cinema. Actually, that product does look interesting, for if we ever wanted to put all the boxes on the other side of the wall. I don't know if it would cope with the autoswitch on of the VCR though. I've checked the cableing i've got and it's 5 individualy screened & insulated coax, so that's 2 for audio, 1 for composite, one for pin 8 and it's return. Do I need to connect up pin 16? If not could I use the fifth coax for rf2 out (to drive the TV link (Magic Eye)). Hmm, sorry, didn't really look at the price, just did a search for ways of transferring SCART 'through' a wall. Not sure about how it would cope with autoswitching, depends if it is fully 'wired' or not I suppose. Did you see my other post(the SCART lead with un-pluggable ends)? Ah! The posts were so similar, I unwittingly thought it was a double posting, and only followed the link in one. That product does look interesting, but I think for various reasons I will DIY. |
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. co.uk.invalid, Alan Pemberton wrote: Popping the pins out is a bit dodgy. They often don't lock properly when you put them back in and can disappear inside the plug whenever you plug them in, resulting in annoyingly baffling no-signal faults. You need to bend out the locking sprag slightly before re-inserting the blade. Same as any such connector which holds the 'pins' in such a way. -- *Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked?* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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I tried the SCART wall-plate method, with mixed success ...
You can find plates easily enough, but the ones I've got are not very robust, and barely grip the leads, which tend to fall out. I used a multi-core cable from Maplin, and the soldering was very fiddly - a question of accidentally breaking off one connection for every two that you succeed in soldering. I only get CV through it, not RGB, despite, I believe, wiring it correctly, and there's ghosting. But it does mean I can watch anything piped from my bedroom/office such as tennis or skiing while I'm getting a meal ready. Note that normal SCART leads cross-wire pin pairs 1 & 2, 3 & 6, and 19 & 20, in the diagram below (to view it you may have to copy and paste it into something that uses a fixed width font such as Notepad). This means that if you insert a wall-section between two sockets, you will have three sections of lead - kit item #1 to wall, wall section, and wall to kit #2 - and to maintain the cross-wiring, your wall section must also cross-wire the same pin pairs ... Eg (needs fixed width font): #1---W----W---#2 1 \/ 2 \/ 1 \/ 2 2 /\ 1 /\ 2 /\ 1 +-----+ | × | Pin 1 Audio out R | × | Pin 2 Audio in R | × | Pin 3 Audio out L | × | Pin 4 Audio ground | × | Pin 5 Blue ground | × | Pin 6 Audio in L | × | Pin 7 Blue in | × | Pin 8 Status (low = TV, 5v = 16:9 in, 12v = 4:3 in) | × | Pin 9 Green ground | × | Pin 10 Comm D²B invert | × | Pin 11 Green in | × | Pin 12 Comm D²B | × | Pin 13 RGB = Red ground, S-Video = C ground | × | Pin 14 D²B ground | × | Pin 15 RGB = Red in, S-Video = C in | × | Pin 16 Status (low = CVBS, high = RGB) | × | Pin 17 CVBS (video) ground | × | Pin 18 RGB Status ground | × | Pin 19 Composite out | × | Pin 20 Composite or Luminance in | ___| Pin 21 Casing-socket ground | / |/ "Paul D.Smith" wrote in message .. . wrote in message ups.com... As part of the upgrade to my "Poor Mans Home Cinema System", I am going to get a BT Vision box. In order to make room for this I plan to move the Sky box to the next room, but would like to still connect up to the VCR via SCART. I don't think the memsahib would be happy with huge holes drilled in the wall, so can anyone recommend a SCART lead which could be partially dismantled, and would then fit through a smaller hole than other? Alternatively, wall mounted SCART socket each side and carefully wire between them yourself? |
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Today at 13:09, Java Jive wrote:
I used a multi-core cable from Maplin, and the soldering was very fiddly - a question of accidentally breaking off one connection for every two that you succeed in soldering. Can you not get them with the same backplate that Ethernet wall plates have - ie you just line them up and punch in with a tool (or screwdriver)? -- Kirk |
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Would have been luverly, but NAFAIAA ...
"Kirk Northrop" wrote in message k... Today at 13:09, Java Jive wrote: I used a multi-core cable from Maplin, and the soldering was very fiddly - a question of accidentally breaking off one connection for every two that you succeed in soldering. Can you not get them with the same backplate that Ethernet wall plates have - ie you just line them up and punch in with a tool (or screwdriver)? |
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On 8 Sep, 13:09, "Java Jive" wrote:
I tried theSCARTwall-plate method, with mixed success ... You can find plates easily enough, but the ones I've got are not very robust, and barely grip the leads, which tend to fall out. I used a multi-core cable from Maplin, and the soldering was very fiddly - a question of accidentally breaking off one connection for every two that you succeed in soldering. I only get CV through it, not RGB, despite, I believe, wiring it correctly, and there's ghosting. But it does mean I can watch anything piped from my bedroom/office such as tennis or skiing while I'm getting a meal ready. Note that normalSCARTleads cross-wire pin pairs 1 & 2, 3 & 6, and 19 & 20, in the diagram below (to view it you may have to copy and paste it into something that uses a fixed width font such as Notepad). This means that if you insert a wall-section between two sockets, you will have three sections of lead - kit item #1 to wall, wall section, and wall to kit #2 - and to maintain the cross-wiring, your wall section must also cross-wire the same pin pairs ... Eg (needs fixed width font): #1---W----W---#2 1 \/ 2 \/ 1 \/ 2 2 /\ 1 /\ 2 /\ 1 +-----+ | × | Pin 1 Audio out R | × | Pin 2 Audio in R | × | Pin 3 Audio out L | × | Pin 4 Audio ground | × | Pin 5 Blue ground | × | Pin 6 Audio in L | × | Pin 7 Blue in | × | Pin 8 Status (low = TV, 5v = 16:9 in, 12v = 4:3 in) | × | Pin 9 Green ground | × | Pin 10 Comm D²B invert | × | Pin 11 Green in | × | Pin 12 Comm D²B | × | Pin 13 RGB = Red ground, S-Video = C ground | × | Pin 14 D²B ground | × | Pin 15 RGB = Red in, S-Video = C in | × | Pin 16 Status (low = CVBS, high = RGB) | × | Pin 17 CVBS (video) ground | × | Pin 18 RGB Status ground | × | Pin 19 Composite out | × | Pin 20 Composite or Luminance in | ___| Pin 21 Casing-socket ground | / |/ Hi, Im doing a similar thing, chasing in cables so that my sony bravia doesn't have any trailing leads. I've put up a mains socket, spured off of the nearest outlet, my next move is to mount a Scart wall plate behind the TV running a cable in the wall to a second outlet near to where my sky box is. I've got the wall plates and I also ordered a metre of flat scart cable http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/m...p?mycode=KBL27 my question is, how do I wire up the wall plates using this cable, the description states "21 pin flat scart cable" but in actual fact the ribon contains 13 screened coax wires - does anyone have a diagram to show which colour wire goes to which pin and if its the core or the screen? - or does it matter as long as I achieve the above? Darren |
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Darren wrote: I've put up a mains socket, spured off of the nearest outlet, my next move is to mount a Scart wall plate behind the TV running a cable in the wall to a second outlet near to where my sky box is. I've got the wall plates and I also ordered a metre of flat scart cable http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/m...p?mycode=KBL27 my question is, how do I wire up the wall plates using this cable, the description states "21 pin flat scart cable" but in actual fact the ribon contains 13 screened coax wires - does anyone have a diagram to show which colour wire goes to which pin and if its the core or the screen? - or does it matter as long as I achieve the above? Google for "scart wiring diagram" and you'll find several diagrams. For long cable runs you've got the right kind of cable if it includes several separately screened co-axial cables, rather than simple multicore with lots of single wires. You should connect the signal and screen wires of each co-ax to the appropriate pins. Rod. |
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"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message .. . For long cable runs you've got the right kind of cable if it includes several separately screened co-axial cables, rather than simple multicore with lots of single wires. These are no good for short runs. You can get crosstalk in half a metre. Bill |
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wrote: For long cable runs you've got the right kind of cable if it includes several separately screened co-axial cables, rather than simple multicore with lots of single wires. These are no good for short runs. You can get crosstalk in half a metre. Quite. I would recommend using the correct cable whatever the run length, but the problems become a lot worse for longer runs. And the fact remains that SCART cables are manufactured using ordinary multicore, and people do buy them, and are presumably happy with what they see and hear.... Rod. |
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"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message .. . Quite. I would recommend using the correct cable whatever the run length, but the problems become a lot worse for longer runs. And the fact remains that SCART cables are manufactured using ordinary multicore, and people do buy them, and are presumably happy with what they see and hear.... Pigs are happy with rotten apples. Bill |
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