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MJ Ray wrote:
Alan White
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:43:01 +0000 (UTC), MJ Ray
wrote:
What about older people who don't understand the technology and how on
earth do they know where their favourite channel(s) just went?

minor rant

Why is it always 'older people' who don't understand the technology?

I don't know. Please remember that I was rewriting the question of 'Ad c'
and not choosing all the words myself. Send your flame elsewhere.

Not sure how this started - (I've lost the OP's article),
but it may be quite simple - so the following is not a
rant - just an observation that I think most of us would
agree with..

Older people /do/ understand the technology - and then some.
(I mean, look at Bill Wright)! ;'))

Having grown up with the earliest personal and business
computers; they understand often at a very fine level just
what 'programming' is all about; they have an acute awareness
of just when 'things are wrong' - and often an almost intuitive
capacity to fix; in short, they have that diamond encrusted
'something' named "Experience"...

It's the Child of Today, (of all ages) who, used to having
everything dished up on a plate by their long-suffering
Paroids and others, that can be the really clueless ones!

My 85yr old mother, (now deceased but at the time a great
grandmother and formerly a Senior Nursing Officer), was
perfectly capable of wiring plugs correctly, fiddling about
with scart combinations, sorting out digital tv and so on.

As a young girl during WWII she was the electrical stores
controller in a factory 'somewhere' in England. Eyes and
ears not quite what they once were - but the brain was
perfectly capable.

She made mincemeat of any Dixon-Drone (as were) or Comet-Corpse
who dared to attempt selling special 'oxygen-free', wire-coated
special coloured plastic leads at 69.95gbp, without which all
digital transmissions would clearly fail... ;'))

Why, she even fixed our Triang Train set for us after we
knackered it ..and always was a dab hand at Scalextric..

;))

Bill ZFC

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"Bill (Adopt)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Older people /do/ understand the technology - and then some.
(I mean, look at Bill Wright)! ;'))

Oi!


Having grown up with the earliest personal and business
computers; they understand often at a very fine level just
what 'programming' is all about; they have an acute awareness
of just when 'things are wrong' - and often an almost intuitive
capacity to fix; in short, they have that diamond encrusted
'something' named "Experience"...

At this moment my 88 year old dad is building a large shed. Because of the
unusual design the local shed building outfit declared that 'it couldn't be
done, and if it was done it would be illegal'. (I kid you not). So my dad
got several large sheets of paper, sharpened his pencil, and designed the
roof structure which he is now constructing.

Bill

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In article , Bill (Adopt) wrote:
Older people /do/ understand the technology - and then some.
(I mean, look at Bill Wright)! ;'))

Having grown up with the earliest personal and business*
computers; they understand often at a very fine level just*
what 'programming' is all about; they have an acute awareness*
of just when 'things are wrong' - and often an almost intuitive*
capacity to fix; in short, they have that diamond encrusted*
'something' named "Experience"...

Also usually an understanding of the fundamental principles on which
things work, rather than simply knowing how to take a piece of ready-
made modern technological magic out of its box and switch it on.

It's the Child of Today, (of all ages) who, used to having*
everything dished up on a plate by their long-suffering*
Paroids and others, that can be the really clueless ones!

My 85yr old mother, (now deceased but at the time a great*
grandmother and formerly a Senior Nursing Officer), was
perfectly capable of wiring plugs correctly, fiddling about*
with scart combinations, sorting out digital tv and so on. *

Likewise my mother, (though she only got to be 80). Born the same year
that the wireless station 2LO started broadcasting, she grew up without
television, computers, mobile phones, the internet, and a great many
other things we take for granted today, but towards the end of her life
she was happily writing a daily diary on a computer, including pictures
either scanned from photographs or taken with a digital camera, and if
she had a problem with it she would email me for help. I've met many
people half her age who not only haven't a clue how to do any of this,
but despite bemoaning their ignorance appear to have made no effort to
find out. All it takes is diligence and the willingness to learn. As
long as you still have the use of your mind, it doesn't matter if
you're old.

Rod.

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wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

Since I haven't found any announcement in Radio Times about the
changes, I only know about them as a result of it being mentioned in
this thread.

Actually it's at the bottom of a little box at the bottom of page 70 of
the 18 - 24 August edition.

Ah, yes. Sort of tucked away in a comment at the bottom of the box, with no
real details. Hardly surprising I missed it! Not much help for those who
are now wondering, "Where has ITV3 gone?..." is it.

I wonder how many people around the UK now assume they can't get ITV any
more due to the change in PIDs and station numbers, and haven't even seen
the obscure RT 'announcement' or realise what it means.

Well done, RT. Fountain of useful info. Not. :-)

Does the RT editor work for thew Vogon Constructor Fleet?

Slainte,

Jim

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"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
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As
long as you still have the use of your mind, it doesn't matter if
you're old.

That's what's bothering me.

Bill

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In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Max Demian
wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

Since I haven't found any announcement in Radio Times about the
changes, I only know about them as a result of it being mentioned in
this thread.

Actually it's at the bottom of a little box at the bottom of page 70 of
the 18 - 24 August edition.

Ah, yes. Sort of tucked away in a comment at the bottom of the box, with
no real details. Hardly surprising I missed it! Not much help for those
who are now wondering, "Where has ITV3 gone?..." is it.

I wonder how many people around the UK now assume they can't get ITV any
more due to the change in PIDs and station numbers, and haven't even seen
the obscure RT 'announcement' or realise what it means.

Well done, RT. Fountain of useful info. Not. :-)


well, it is a BBC publication. TV Times would be the one to look at for
details about changes to ITV

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charles wrote:

well, it is a BBC publication. TV Times would be the one to look at for
details about changes to ITV

ITV sold TV Times years ago, even before the 1991 listings deregulation ISTR.

Even when it was ITV owned, it was bloody useless.

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"charles" wrote in message
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well, it is a BBC publication. TV Times would be the one to look at for
details about changes to ITV

I though RT was a listings mag, with editorial content tailored for the
readers' convenience.

Bill

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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:31:25 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:


"Bill (Adopt)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Older people /do/ understand the technology - and then some.
(I mean, look at Bill Wright)! ;'))

Oi!


Having grown up with the earliest personal and business
computers; they understand often at a very fine level just
what 'programming' is all about; they have an acute awareness
of just when 'things are wrong' - and often an almost intuitive
capacity to fix; in short, they have that diamond encrusted
'something' named "Experience"...

At this moment my 88 year old dad is building a large shed. Because of the
unusual design the local shed building outfit declared that 'it couldn't be
done, and if it was done it would be illegal'. (I kid you not). So my dad
got several large sheets of paper, sharpened his pencil, and designed the
roof structure which he is now constructing.

Bill

Your dad is a bloody genius! My dad's only 75, has vascular dementia,
is almost blind and can no longer look after himself. He was always
very active and extremely clever. It's a bugger, really.

Marky P.

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"Owain" wrote in message
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Bill Wright wrote:
"Roderick Stewart" wrote
As long as you still have the use of your mind, it doesn't matter if
you're old.
That's what's bothering me.

Why, do you think you might have worn yours out with over-exertion in your
younger days? ;-)

No, if anything I under-exerted my mind in my younger days! If I'd worked
harder all through school, really applied myself and got a decent degree,
studied assiduously all though my early 20s, I could have spent the last 40
years working for some vast organisation, suffering all the internal
politics, the inhumanity of higher management, the senseless bureaucracy,
the long hours, the poor rewards. As it is I was an idle little ****er at
school, interested only in booze and birds, and as a result I've been
condemmed to 40 years of fairly carefree self employment, dealing only with
people I like, quickly ditching those I don't, choosing my own hours, making
my own decisions, and generally having a nice time.

Isn't life funny? When I failed the 11+ (mostly due to fighting; we were
assessed, not examined) I was told that my adult life was ruined before it
had started. I was condemned to a life of hewing wood and drawing water, in
the words of one teacher. Or was it hewing water and drawing wood, I can't
remember. Anyway, it was going to be really horrid. But of course it wasn't.
Teachers always overemphasise the importance of academic success.

Anyway, I digress.

Bill