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boxen

?????

It's a fanciful plural of box,

you mean it's a made up plural.

tim

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boxen

It's a fanciful plural of box,

you mean it's a made up plural.

Ox, oxen; box, boxen.

Are not fancies made up?

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In article , Clem Dye
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According to the Radio Times from 20 August the channel changes are as
follows:

Channel4+1: 13 (was More4) More4: 14 (was E4) E4: 29 (was Film4) E4+1:
30 (no change) Film4: 32 (was Film4+1)

I don't think a channel re-scan will be necessary on all boxen out
there, only those that store the channel idents permanently rather than
dynamically.

A rescan is a pest from my POV as I live in an area where I can RX from
two
different TXs. One in the lower frequency part of the band, the other in
the higher frequency part.

The LF versions are lower power and give less reliable reception. So to
rescan and get the versions I require takes some furtling about on my
part.

For my Nokia 221T I have to run a rescan with the antenna lead removed
until it has passed the LF channels, then shove the lead in so it can find
the HF ones.

For the Panasonic recorder I may have to do an autoscan with no RF to
blank
all the channels, then connect the RF and rescan the actual channels I
want, individually. However I've only owned this for a short time. Maybe
it
will automate the process overnight... i.e. do it anyway even if I don't
want it to! ?

PITA.

Obviously boxes vary, but I would have thought that all have a way of
deleting all the channels, even if it involves returning to the
manufacturer's default settings. Then you just have to do six separate
scans, one for each multiplex. You should know the correct UHF channels for
each by now. I doubt that any boxes scan and store now channels
automatically overnight - though they might tell you that new ones are
available.

Is there any technical reason for changes in the assigned station numbers
for stations that are continuing to be broadcast? I can see that 'new'
stations will require a number, and that when one dissapears its number
could become available. But is the shuffling for continuing stations
actually necessary? It would save bother if the broadcasters were told
they
could not keep changing these.

I'm actually a little disappointed here. If we have to have +1 channels
I'd rather have More+1 than E4+1. However, these +1 channels are only of
use if you need to timeshift stuff when recording, as I see it. I'd
rather see a new channel here, but that's obviously not going to happen.
Sigh.

I'd prefer all '+1' stations to be removed and the data used for other
purposes like better quality. However broadcasters are interested in what
they want, not what we'd prefer. :-)

There isn't enough rubbish to fill the space. For example Film4 is 24 hour
but only carries films for half that time.

Also many people still watch live TV, and benefit from the +1 channels if
they are late.

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"Clem Dye" wrote...

According to the Radio Times from 20 August the channel changes are as
follows:

Channel4+1: 13 (was More4)
More4: 14 (was E4)
E4: 29 (was Film4)
E4+1: 30 (no change)
Film4: 32 (was Film4+1)

Hmm. I wonder whether these channel numbers will retain their original
resolutions? If so, Film4 will have the reduced quality of Film4+1
which will be a nuisance.

Matti

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"Clem Dye" wrote in message
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I saw an ad for CH4+1 on CH4 last night. It said CH4+1 would be on
Freeview
channel 13 which currently broadcasts More4. Does this mean we're
going to lose More4 from Freeview?

Peter


Just checked the Radio Times and it looks like some of the Freeview
channels are moving about. More4 will be on Freeview channel 14 with
E4 moving to Freeview channel 29 - currently occupied by UKTV Food.
ITV4 will be on channel 28 - currently occupied by Discovery Real
Time. Film4 will be on Freeview channel 32 currently occupied by
E4+1. E4+1 will move to Freeview channel 30 currently occupied by
ITV4. ITV2+1 will be on Freeview channel 31 which seems to be a new
channel - ITV2+1 is currently on channel 815 according to my set top
box.

Peter


This is what gets on peoples nerves with Freeview, every few months we
have to rescan, because something have changed, if it was for more
decent channels, it would not be as bad, but for another +1 channel, it
is a waste of time. Also what about older people who don't understand
the technology, how are they suppose to do it and how on earth do they
know anyway??

The system should have been like sky and sort itself out when things
change.

Freeview was a rush to get going and to be honest it shows.

According to the Radio Times from 20 August the channel changes are as
follows:

Channel4+1: 13 (was More4)
More4: 14 (was E4)
E4: 29 (was Film4)
E4+1: 30 (no change)
Film4: 32 (was Film4+1)

I don't think a channel re-scan will be necessary on all boxen out there,
only those that store the channel idents permanently rather than
dynamically.

I'm actually a little disappointed here. If we have to have +1 channels
I'd rather have More+1 than E4+1. However, these +1 channels are only of
use if you need to timeshift stuff when recording, as I see it. I'd rather
see a new channel here, but that's obviously not going to happen. Sigh.

The OP clearly needs to re-scan his boxen to get the channel layout
correct.


Clem
Can I put in a "request" that the +1 is a day not an hour. It would help
with those
"did you last night..."
"no dam!"
type of conversations
ted

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"Ad c" wrote:
[...] Also what about older people who don't understand
the technology, how are they suppose to do it and how on earth do they
know anyway??

The system should have been like sky and sort itself out when things
change.

What about older people who don't understand the technology and how on
earth do they know where their favourite channel(s) just went?

There's no technical reason the numbers couldn't stay constant, but all
ways of handling line-up changes have drawbacks. Freeview just picked
a different one to Sky - but at least the owner can choose when to reset
with Freeview, which is very slightly less bad IMO.
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:28:00 +0100, "Matti Lamprhey"
wrote:

"Clem Dye" wrote...

According to the Radio Times from 20 August the channel changes are as
follows:

Channel4+1: 13 (was More4)
More4: 14 (was E4)
E4: 29 (was Film4)
E4+1: 30 (no change)
Film4: 32 (was Film4+1)

Hmm. I wonder whether these channel numbers will retain their original
resolutions? If so, Film4 will have the reduced quality of Film4+1
which will be a nuisance.

Circa 1330 today from Emley Moor, rates from Nebula DigiTV Tech Info
dialog.

C4 10 Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 704 x 576
C4+1 10 Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 544 x 576
More4 10 Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 544 x 576
E4 10 Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 544 x 576
E4+1 15Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 720 x 576
Film 4 15Mbps Video 160kbps Audio 720 x 576


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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:43:01 +0000 (UTC), MJ Ray
wrote:

What about older people who don't understand the technology and how on
earth do they know where their favourite channel(s) just went?

minor rant

Why is it always 'older people' who don't understand the technology? A
lot of these 'older people' invented the technology. I'm just turned
seventy and I don't have a problem.

How about 'some' older people instead.

/minor rant

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On 20/08/2007 13:45, Mike wrote:

C4 10 Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 704 x 576
C4+1 10 Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 544 x 576
More4 10 Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 544 x 576
E4 10 Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 544 x 576
E4+1 15Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 720 x 576
Film 4 15Mbps Video 160kbps Audio 720 x 576

I presume the bitrates you quoted are meaningless?

I'd have expected C4/M4/F4 to have the 720 pixel widths
and all the +1s to have 544 pixels

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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:05:00 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

On 20/08/2007 13:45, Mike wrote:

C4 10 Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 704 x 576
C4+1 10 Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 544 x 576
More4 10 Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 544 x 576
E4 10 Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 544 x 576
E4+1 15Mbps Video 192kbps Audio 720 x 576
Film 4 15Mbps Video 160kbps Audio 720 x 576

I presume the bitrates you quoted are meaningless?

Yes

I'd have expected C4/M4/F4 to have the 720 pixel widths
and all the +1s to have 544 pixels

So would I, but they don't

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