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Does the book, Hacking the Tivo, say how to make a tivo work, without a
subscription service?

What does this book say?
 

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:04:37 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:


Does the book, Hacking the Tivo, say how to make a tivo work, without a
subscription service?

check it out for yourself:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1592...64#reader-link


--
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

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Charlie Hoffpauir wrote in
:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:04:37 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:


Does the book, Hacking the Tivo, say how to make a tivo work, without
a subscription service?

check it out for yourself:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1592...002-9844748-82
09664#reader-link

I read that before I posted, and found it unhelpful. :(

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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:00:10 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote in
:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:04:37 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:


Does the book, Hacking the Tivo, say how to make a tivo work, without
a subscription service?

check it out for yourself:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1592...002-9844748-82
09664#reader-link

I read that before I posted, and found it unhelpful. :(

?? Hmm, it's a link to the actual book! I read the table of contents
and preface before I posted the link.

In any case, hacking a Tivo is usually about improving its usefulness,
legally. I doubt a printed book would tell one how to do illegal
activities. And there was nothing in the TOC about enabling
non-subscription service.


--
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

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Charlie Hoffpauir wrote in
:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:00:10 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote in
m:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:04:37 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:


Does the book, Hacking the Tivo, say how to make a tivo work,
without a subscription service?

check it out for yourself:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1592...sib_dp_pt/002-
9844748-
82 09664#reader-link

I read that before I posted, and found it unhelpful. :(

?? Hmm, it's a link to the actual book! I read the table of contents
and preface before I posted the link.

In any case, hacking a Tivo is usually about improving its usefulness,
legally. I doubt a printed book would tell one how to do illegal
activities. And there was nothing in the TOC about enabling
non-subscription service.

Actually, I hadn't seen that, but it's *not* a link to the actual book.
It's a link to the first page of the table of contents and the first
page of the index, neither of which is particularly useful.

Using the tivo box without the subscription service is perfectly legal.
Where do these crooks get off charging a fee to record tv programs?
They got some nerve, and the sooner they go bankrupt the better.

I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it myself to
watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else. These crooks are
really something, charging us fees to do things that are free with a
different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:10:36 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

snip

Actually, I hadn't seen that, but it's *not* a link to the actual book.
It's a link to the first page of the table of contents and the first
page of the index, neither of which is particularly useful.


Actually, you can just scroll on to the all of the TOC and the
preface, and probably farther. I stopped after the preface.

Using the tivo box without the subscription service is perfectly legal.
Where do these crooks get off charging a fee to record tv programs?
They got some nerve, and the sooner they go bankrupt the better.

Well, if people figure out how to get the service without paying ofr
it, they probably will go bankrupt soon. How is it that YOU get to
decide what is legal?

I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it myself to
watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else. These crooks are
really something, charging us fees to do things that are free with a
different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

....... then just use a different machine.

--
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

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"John Schutkeker" wrote in message
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Charlie Hoffpauir wrote in
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:00:10 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote in
:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:04:37 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:


Does the book, Hacking the Tivo, say how to make a tivo work,
without a subscription service?

check it out for yourself:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1592...sib_dp_pt/002-
9844748-
82 09664#reader-link

I read that before I posted, and found it unhelpful. :(

?? Hmm, it's a link to the actual book! I read the table of contents
and preface before I posted the link.

In any case, hacking a Tivo is usually about improving its usefulness,
legally. I doubt a printed book would tell one how to do illegal
activities. And there was nothing in the TOC about enabling
non-subscription service.

Actually, I hadn't seen that, but it's *not* a link to the actual book.
It's a link to the first page of the table of contents and the first
page of the index, neither of which is particularly useful.

Using the tivo box without the subscription service is perfectly legal.
Where do these crooks get off charging a fee to record tv programs?
They got some nerve, and the sooner they go bankrupt the better.

I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it myself to
watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else. These crooks are
really something, charging us fees to do things that are free with a
different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

Why not then just get one from you local cable/satellite provider? I'm sure
they will give you one for free. Especially if you are as direct and willful
with them as you were in your posts. While you're at it you should tell them
that your programming should be free as well. Let us know how it goes, won't
you?

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Charlie Hoffpauir wrote in
:

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:10:36 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

snip

Actually, I hadn't seen that, but it's *not* a link to the actual
book. It's a link to the first page of the table of contents and the
first page of the index, neither of which is particularly useful.

Actually, you can just scroll on to the all of the TOC and the
preface, and probably farther. I stopped after the preface.

Using the tivo box without the subscription service is perfectly
legal. Where do these crooks get off charging a fee to record tv
programs? They got some nerve, and the sooner they go bankrupt the
better.

Well, if people figure out how to get the service without paying ofr
it, they probably will go bankrupt soon. How is it that YOU get to
decide what is legal?

I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it myself
to watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else. These crooks
are really something, charging us fees to do things that are free with
a different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

...... then just use a different machine.

Which one?

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:24:21 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

snip

I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it myself
to watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else. These crooks
are really something, charging us fees to do things that are free with
a different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

...... then just use a different machine.

Which one?

Any one that does the things you want for free. You're the one that
said different machines did what you wanted for free.




--
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

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Charlie Hoffpauir wrote in
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:24:21 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

snip

I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it
myself to watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else. These
crooks are really something, charging us fees to do things that are
free with a different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

...... then just use a different machine.

Which one?

Any one that does the things you want for free. You're the one that
said different machines did what you wanted for free.

Did you even read the post? I was talking about vcr's.

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:40:58 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote in
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:24:21 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

snip

I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it
myself to watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else. These
crooks are really something, charging us fees to do things that are
free with a different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

...... then just use a different machine.

Which one?

Any one that does the things you want for free. You're the one that
said different machines did what you wanted for free.

Did you even read the post? I was talking about vcr's.

So? A vcr is a machine that does what you want and its free, so use
it.

If you want a DVR that does everything you want and is free then good
luck.

--
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

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John Schutkeker wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote in
:


On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:10:36 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

snip

Actually, I hadn't seen that, but it's *not* a link to the actual
book. It's a link to the first page of the table of contents and the
first page of the index, neither of which is particularly useful.

Actually, you can just scroll on to the all of the TOC and the
preface, and probably farther. I stopped after the preface.


Using the tivo box without the subscription service is perfectly
legal. Where do these crooks get off charging a fee to record tv
programs? They got some nerve, and the sooner they go bankrupt the
better.


Well, if people figure out how to get the service without paying ofr
it, they probably will go bankrupt soon. How is it that YOU get to
decide what is legal?


I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it myself
to watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else. These crooks
are really something, charging us fees to do things that are free with
a different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

...... then just use a different machine.


Which one?

There is at least one - a Panasonic that has a built-in hard drive and
a DVD recorder. It gets its program data directly from the video
signals. The price is somewhat greater than a Tivo with a lifetime
subscription (about $700 the last time I looked).

You CAN use a Series 1 Tivo without a subscription, but of course all
you have is a hard-disk VCR - no selecting programs by name for
instance, no instantly visible program guide, etc. And you'll still
have to dial up to Tivo regularly to set the clock.

A VCR does NOT give you free what you pay for with Tivo. What you're
paying for is automatic programming, finding programs that shift times
(or even channels), knowing if it missed a recording and finding a
rerun, and lots more, even on a Series 1. Series 2 and 3 have
infinitely more!

- Herb

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Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:24:21 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

snip

I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it
myself to watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else.
These crooks are really something, charging us fees to do things
that are free with a different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

...... then just use a different machine.

Which one?

Any one that does the things you want for free. You're the one that
said different machines did what you wanted for free.

Any of the S2's that have a lifetime basic thing would work for you (look
for things like the Toshiba/Humax/Etc on Ebay, just looked and 306 hits for
Series2 DVR)

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Herb wrote in news:Rp5yi.54979$jE4.54052
@fe12.news.easynews.com:

A VCR does NOT give you free what you pay for with Tivo. What you're
paying for is automatic programming, finding programs that shift times
(or even channels), knowing if it missed a recording and finding a
rerun, and lots more

Not me. I want to pay for the hard drive and nothing more, because
that's where the benefits are. You get fast access, without tedious
spooling, the ability to record more than one program at a time, the
ability to watch and record at the same time, or to pause a real time
broadcast.

For this, I'm willing to miss an occasionally time shifted episode, and
to "suffer" the hassles of referring to shows by their time slot, rather
than their names. All that stuff you mentioned is much less significant
than then the benefits associated with the random access capabilities of
a hard drive.

That's where the rubber meets the road.

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"Peter Pan" wrote in
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Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:24:21 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

snip

I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it
myself to watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else.
These crooks are really something, charging us fees to do things
that are free with a different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

...... then just use a different machine.

Which one?

Any one that does the things you want for free. You're the one that
said different machines did what you wanted for free.

Any of the S2's that have a lifetime basic thing would work for you
(look for things like the Toshiba/Humax/Etc on Ebay, just looked and
306 hits for Series2 DVR)

I don't want lifetime; I don't want any subscription.

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On 2007-08-20, John Schutkeker wrote:
Herb wrote in news:Rp5yi.54979$jE4.54052
@fe12.news.easynews.com:

A VCR does NOT give you free what you pay for with Tivo. What you're
paying for is automatic programming, finding programs that shift times
(or even channels), knowing if it missed a recording and finding a
rerun, and lots more

Not me. I want to pay for the hard drive and nothing more, because
that's where the benefits are. You get fast access, without tedious
spooling, the ability to record more than one program at a time, the
ability to watch and record at the same time, or to pause a real time
broadcast.

You should look into MythTV then, or any of the other similar solutions.

--
This is my .sig

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On 2007-08-20, John Schutkeker
wrote:
Herb wrote in news:Rp5yi.54979$jE4.54052
@fe12.news.easynews.com:

A VCR does NOT give you free what you pay for with Tivo. What you're
paying for is automatic programming, finding programs that shift
times (or even channels), knowing if it missed a recording and
finding a rerun, and lots more

Not me. I want to pay for the hard drive and nothing more, because
that's where the benefits are. You get fast access, without tedious
spooling, the ability to record more than one program at a time, the
ability to watch and record at the same time, or to pause a real time
broadcast.

So why don't you just get a plain ole DVR instead of looking only at units
with Tivo? They have many dvr's with no tivo, even at places like
walmart......

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John Schutkeker wrote:

Not me. I want to pay for the hard drive and nothing more, because
that's where the benefits are. You get fast access, without tedious
spooling, the ability to record more than one program at a time, the
ability to watch and record at the same time, or to pause a real time
broadcast.

So build yourself a MythTV box or buy one of the many many DVR type
solutions designed to plug into a Windows PC.

A TiVo isn't the right answer for your needs. Of course you may
sacrifice some nice parts of the TiVo (box size, ambient noise, user
interface) and it might cost you more initially to build your DVR
equivalent, but *shrug* it'll be free to use and more expandable and
won't require you to sign up to a service that you don't want.

You might even be able to get a pre-built MythTV solution somewhere.

--
Stephen Harris

The truth is the truth, and opinion just opinion. But what is what?
My employer pays to ignore my opinions; you get to do it for free.

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Stephen Harris wrote:

John Schutkeker wrote:

Not me. I want to pay for the hard drive and nothing more, because
that's where the benefits are. You get fast access, without tedious
spooling, the ability to record more than one program at a time, the
ability to watch and record at the same time, or to pause a real time
broadcast.

So build yourself a MythTV box or buy one of the many many DVR type
solutions designed to plug into a Windows PC.

A TiVo isn't the right answer for your needs. Of course you may
sacrifice some nice parts of the TiVo (box size, ambient noise, user
interface) and it might cost you more initially to build your DVR
equivalent, but *shrug* it'll be free to use and more expandable and
won't require you to sign up to a service that you don't want.

You might even be able to get a pre-built MythTV solution somewhere.


For instance : http://mythic.tv/ for the Dragon 2.0.

Bruce S.

--
Replace the by by blueyonder.

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Peter Pan wrote:
On 2007-08-20, John Schutkeker
wrote:
Herb wrote in news:Rp5yi.54979$jE4.54052
@fe12.news.easynews.com:

A VCR does NOT give you free what you pay for with Tivo. What
you're paying for is automatic programming, finding programs that
shift times (or even channels), knowing if it missed a recording
and finding a rerun, and lots more

Not me. I want to pay for the hard drive and nothing more, because
that's where the benefits are. You get fast access, without tedious
spooling, the ability to record more than one program at a time, the
ability to watch and record at the same time, or to pause a real
time broadcast.

So why don't you just get a plain ole DVR instead of looking only at
units with Tivo? They have many dvr's with no tivo, even at places
like walmart......

PS Happened to be in walmart today, and they have a 160 GB panasonic DVR (no
Tivo) and reads and writes DVD's, for $258

DRA-01601A: DVD Recorder with 160GB Hard Drive
Records up to 204 hours of media on the 160GB built-in hard disc drive (No
subscription needed)
Includes YesDVD Software to create DVDs at the touch of a button
HDMI connections for easy cable hookups
Built-in ATSC digital and NTSC analog tuners

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Peter Pan wrote:
Peter Pan wrote:
On 2007-08-20, John Schutkeker
wrote:
Herb wrote in news:Rp5yi.54979$jE4.54052
@fe12.news.easynews.com:

A VCR does NOT give you free what you pay for with Tivo. What
you're paying for is automatic programming, finding programs that
shift times (or even channels), knowing if it missed a recording
and finding a rerun, and lots more

Not me. I want to pay for the hard drive and nothing more, because
that's where the benefits are. You get fast access, without
tedious spooling, the ability to record more than one program at a
time, the ability to watch and record at the same time, or to
pause a real time broadcast.

So why don't you just get a plain ole DVR instead of looking only at
units with Tivo? They have many dvr's with no tivo, even at places
like walmart......

PS Happened to be in walmart today, and they have a 160 GB panasonic
DVR (no Tivo) and reads and writes DVD's, for $258

DRA-01601A: DVD Recorder with 160GB Hard Drive
Records up to 204 hours of media on the 160GB built-in hard disc
drive (No subscription needed)
Includes YesDVD Software to create DVDs at the touch of a button
HDMI connections for easy cable hookups
Built-in ATSC digital and NTSC analog tuners

Correction, it started with a P but different second letters... It was a
Polaroid, not a Panasonic, and forgot to paste a link
http://www.polaroid.com/global/detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441765904&FOL DER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302032643&bmUID=11876305 70687&bmLocale=en_US

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John Schutkeker wrote:
"Peter Pan" wrote in

Any of the S2's that have a lifetime basic thing would work for you
(look for things like the Toshiba/Humax/Etc on Ebay, just looked and
306 hits for Series2 DVR)

I don't want lifetime; I don't want any subscription.

Peter stated it wrong; "basic" is the opposite of "lifetime".

Some S2 units come with basic functionality. (No season passes, no
wishlists, only a few days of programming info.) The device calls
home to get info, but no subscription is required.

-Joe

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Joe Smith shaped the electrons to say:
Peter stated it wrong; "basic" is the opposite of "lifetime".

Some S2 units come with basic functionality. (No season passes, no

All Pioneer and Toshiba units included TiVo Basic - and that's it. No
other TiVo has Basic.

The Series1, of course, can be used without a subscription with just
time/channel recording.

-MZ
--
megazone-at-megazone.org http://www.MegaZone.org/ Gweep, Geek, Human, me.
http://www.TiVoLovers.com/ http://www.Eyrie-Productions.com/ -- Hail Eris
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171

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John Schutkeker wrote:

Any of the S2's that have a lifetime basic thing would work for you
(look for things like the Toshiba/Humax/Etc on Ebay, just looked and
306 hits for Series2 DVR)

I don't want lifetime; I don't want any subscription.

I'm not sure what your objection to basic lifetime is. But any of the older
Series 1 machines that originally shipped with software version 1.3 (circa 2001)
will function in "VCR mode" without a subscription. You can record a particular
channel, starting at a particular time, ending at some other time.

-- Doug