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Will sky join in the price war
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Does anyone think that Sky customers will get Setanta free like the Virgin customers are getting. Thanks from Eddie |
Will sky join in the price war
"tim" wrote in message ... Hi Does anyone think that Sky customers will get Setanta free like the Virgin customers are getting. Thanks from Eddie No chance. Sky would just be giving money to one of their biggest bidding rivals. |
Will sky join in the price war
Yes this is true but they will lose a vast amount of existing customers who
will change over to Virgin because if you get the basic package with them you still get Setanta sports free... "tim" wrote in message ... Hi Does anyone think that Sky customers will get Setanta free like the Virgin customers are getting. Thanks from Eddie |
Will sky join in the price war
In article , tim
writes Yes this is true but they will lose a vast amount of existing customers who will change over to Virgin because if you get the basic package with them you still get Setanta sports free... Don't you have to be on the top package with Virgin to get Setanta sports free? Most of the Sky subscribers who are paying a similar price are going to be on the top package, including Sky Sports where they'll still be getting more football. I believe Sky get first pick of the matches anyway, so Setanta are getting "second-rate" football anyway. -- Sean Black |
Will sky join in the price war
"Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , tim writes Yes this is true but they will lose a vast amount of existing customers who will change over to Virgin because if you get the basic package with them you still get Setanta sports free... Don't you have to be on the top package with Virgin to get Setanta sports free? Most of the Sky subscribers who are paying a similar price are going to be on the top package, including Sky Sports where they'll still be getting more football. I believe Sky get first pick of the matches anyway, so Setanta are getting "second-rate" football anyway. -- Sean Black I believe the packages were split equally , just that Setanta bought only one of them. -- RobertJM |
Will sky join in the price war
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RobertJM writes "Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , tim writes Yes this is true but they will lose a vast amount of existing customers who will change over to Virgin because if you get the basic package with them you still get Setanta sports free... Don't you have to be on the top package with Virgin to get Setanta sports free? Most of the Sky subscribers who are paying a similar price are going to be on the top package, including Sky Sports where they'll still be getting more football. I believe Sky get first pick of the matches anyway, so Setanta are getting "second-rate" football anyway. -- Sean Black I believe the packages were split equally , just that Setanta bought only one of them. Setanta got the old Prem Plus package which was always very much the lesser games after the main Sunday 4pm pick, that's why they had to wait until after Sky had announced their TV games to pick theirs. It'd be interesting to see what sort of take up they're getting. Whilst it's probably a pretty decent deal if you've got no access at present to Premiership football, but if like me, you've already got Sky Sports and for the last few years have been getting Prem Plus for a pound a game, it's a crap deal (not to mention it won't be in HD either). Good excuse to go down the pub though, I suppose :-) -- Sean Black |
Will sky join in the price war
Sean Black wrote:
: It'd be interesting to see what sort of take up they're getting. Whilst : it's probably a pretty decent deal if you've got no access at present to : Premiership football, but if like me, you've already got Sky Sports and : for the last few years have been getting Prem Plus for a pound a game, : it's a crap deal (not to mention it won't be in HD either). Good excuse : to go down the pub though, I suppose :-) Setanta are not, apparently, doing very well at all (hence the Virgin Deal, reduction of *NEW* Sky/Freeview subscriptions to £9.95/month and no 12 months minimum). They need well over a million subscribers and have ~200,000 so far. |
Will sky join in the price war
"Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message ... Sean Black wrote: : It'd be interesting to see what sort of take up they're getting. Whilst : it's probably a pretty decent deal if you've got no access at present to : Premiership football, but if like me, you've already got Sky Sports and : for the last few years have been getting Prem Plus for a pound a game, : it's a crap deal (not to mention it won't be in HD either). Good excuse : to go down the pub though, I suppose :-) Setanta are not, apparently, doing very well at all (hence the Virgin Deal, reduction of *NEW* Sky/Freeview subscriptions to £9.95/month and no 12 months minimum). They need well over a million subscribers and have ~200,000 so far. ITVdigital anyone? I can't see them converting freeview viewers - they are just not used to paying. |
Will sky join in the price war
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writes "Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message ... Sean Black wrote: : It'd be interesting to see what sort of take up they're getting. Whilst : it's probably a pretty decent deal if you've got no access at present to : Premiership football, but if like me, you've already got Sky Sports and : for the last few years have been getting Prem Plus for a pound a game, : it's a crap deal (not to mention it won't be in HD either). Good excuse : to go down the pub though, I suppose :-) Setanta are not, apparently, doing very well at all (hence the Virgin Deal, reduction of *NEW* Sky/Freeview subscriptions to £9.95/month and no 12 months minimum). They need well over a million subscribers and have ~200,000 so far. ITVdigital anyone? I can't see them converting freeview viewers - they are just not used to paying. Looks like it's all going to end in tears then, well done to the EU :-) I don't know what they hoped to achieve by making the Premier League sell the rights the way they have. I know it was supposed to make it a better deal for the viewer, but I can't see how it has helped anyone. Sky viewers are now having to pay more to see the same amount of football as they did last year. The only way I can see it being better for the viewers is if the EU made them make the rights non-exclusive, so anyone could put on any games, so there'd at least be some proper competition, but I can't see any way to do that. -- Sean Black |
Will sky join in the price war
"Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , steeler writes "Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message ... Sean Black wrote: : It'd be interesting to see what sort of take up they're getting. Whilst : it's probably a pretty decent deal if you've got no access at present to : Premiership football, but if like me, you've already got Sky Sports and : for the last few years have been getting Prem Plus for a pound a game, : it's a crap deal (not to mention it won't be in HD either). Good excuse : to go down the pub though, I suppose :-) Setanta are not, apparently, doing very well at all (hence the Virgin Deal, reduction of *NEW* Sky/Freeview subscriptions to £9.95/month and no 12 months minimum). They need well over a million subscribers and have ~200,000 so far. ITVdigital anyone? I can't see them converting freeview viewers - they are just not used to paying. Looks like it's all going to end in tears then, well done to the EU :-) I don't know what they hoped to achieve by making the Premier League sell the rights the way they have. I know it was supposed to make it a better deal for the viewer, but I can't see how it has helped anyone. Sky viewers are now having to pay more to see the same amount of football as they did last year. They hoped a terrestrial channel would win some and they would be lauded for supplying free football to the nation. Only they could not stop pay channels from outbidding as that would be anti-competative - the very claim they leveled at the old method of bidding. The only way I can see it being better for the viewers is if the EU made them make the rights non-exclusive, so anyone could put on any games, so there'd at least be some proper competition, but I can't see any way to do that. -- The only way you could do that is if each club was allowed to negotiate it's own contracts. The big clubs would love this but the little clubs would always vote down any proposals - what with every channel wanting Man U vs. Liverpool and nobody wanting West Ham vs. Bolton (no offence). |
Will sky join in the price war
"Sean Black" wrote in message ... Looks like it's all going to end in tears then, well done to the EU :-) I don't know what they hoped to achieve by making the Premier League sell the rights the way they have. I know it was supposed to make it a better deal for the viewer, but I can't see how it has helped anyone. Sky viewers are now having to pay more to see the same amount of football as they did last year. The only way I can see it being better for the viewers is if the EU made them make the rights non-exclusive, so anyone could put on any games, so there'd at least be some proper competition, but I can't see any way to do that. alternatively they could have said that one match a week must be made available on non subscription terrestrial tv - and let the 5 main channels fight over who gets it. -- Gareth. That fly... is your magic wand. http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/ |
Will sky join in the price war
"steeler" wrote in message . .. "Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message ... Sean Black wrote: : It'd be interesting to see what sort of take up they're getting. Whilst : it's probably a pretty decent deal if you've got no access at present to : Premiership football, but if like me, you've already got Sky Sports and : for the last few years have been getting Prem Plus for a pound a game, : it's a crap deal (not to mention it won't be in HD either). Good excuse : to go down the pub though, I suppose :-) Setanta are not, apparently, doing very well at all (hence the Virgin Deal, reduction of *NEW* Sky/Freeview subscriptions to £9.95/month and no 12 months minimum). They need well over a million subscribers and have ~200,000 so far. ITVdigital anyone? I can't see them converting freeview viewers - they are just not used to paying. Don't know their sub rate but they also have subscribers in Ireland, Australia & North America, and must have picked up a fair few with the racing channel and golf. It's the only way for us Scots to catch our footie games. BTW 1st 19 matches: Saturday, August 11th @ 5.15pm – Aston Villa v Liverpool Saturday, August 18th @ 5.15pm – Newcastle United v Aston Villa Saturday, August 25th @ 5.15pm – Everton v Blackburn Rovers Sunday, August 26th @ 1.30pm – Middlesbrough v Newcastle United Saturday, September 1st @ 5.15pm – Manchester United v Sunderland Saturday, September 15th @ 5.15pm – Chelsea v Blackburn Rovers Monday, September 17th @ 8pm – Derby County v Newcastle United Saturday, September 22nd @ 5.15pm – Fulham v Manchester City Saturday, September 29th @ 5.15pm – Birmingham City v Manchester United Monday, October 1st @ 8pm – Tottenham Hotspur v Aston Villa Sunday, October 7th @ 12noon – Arsenal v Sunderland Saturday, October 20th @ 5.15pm – Aston Villa v Manchester United Monday, October 22nd @ 8pm - Newcastle United v Tottenham Hotspur Saturday, October 27th @ 5.15pm – Portsmouth v West Ham United Saturday, November 3rd @ 5.15pm – Blackburn Rovers v Liverpool Saturday, November 10th @ 5.15pm – Liverpool v Fulham Monday, November 5th @ 8pm – Manchester City v Sunderland Monday, November 12th @ 8pm – Reading v Arsenal Saturday, November 24th @ 5.15pm – Derby County v Chelsea -- RobertJM |
Will sky join in the price war
On Jul 23, 10:25 am, Sean Black wrote: Don't you have to be on the top package with Virgin to get Setanta sports free? No. From Thurday 26th July subscribers to Virgin's tweny quid non- premium XL TV package will get Setanta Sports 1, Setanta Sports 2, Setanta Golf, Racing UK, Rangers TV, Celtic TV and soon Liverpool FC TV at no extra cost. Most of the Sky subscribers who are paying a similar price are going to be on the top package, including Sky Sports No, for a similar price Sky subs are getting a basic non-premium package Virgin XL + Setanta = 20.50 Sky 6 mix (no premium sports) = 21 where they'll still be getting more football. No. They'll be getting nothing unless they pay an extra 16 quid for Sky Sports and, to match Virgin, a further 9.99 for Setanta. I believe Sky get first pick of the matches anyway, so Setanta are getting "second-rate" football anyway. Believe that if it makes you feel better... The Setanta deal includes 46 games from the English Premier League, 60 matches from the Scottish Premier League, the US PGA Tour golf, European League football, and rugby and horse racing from around the UK. From 2008, customers will also get 25 of the 40 televised fixtures from the English FA Cup, a selection of England football internationals and the Community Shield. Below are just some the matches that will be shown for FREE on Virgin until November (Setanta / Virgin deal for 3 years) Thursday 26th July Newcastle Utd v Celtic Dundee Utd v Barcelona Saturday 28th July Orlando Pirates or Kaiser Chiefs v Tottenham Hearts v Barcelona Bohemians v Sunderland Sunday 29th July Newcastle Utd v Juventus Monday 30th July Cork City v Sunderland Tuesday 31st July Everton v Werder Bremen Norwich vs West Ham Wednesday 1st August Hull City v Newcastle Utd Galway v Sunderland Friday 3rd August QPR v Fulham Saturday 4th August Inverness CT v Rangers Sunderland v Juventus Aston Villa vs Inter Milan Sunday 5th August Celtic v Kilmarnock Newcastle Utd v Sampdoria Le Mans v Metz Lyon v Auxerre Monday 6th August Hearts v Hibernian Friday 10th August Vfb Stuttgart v FC Shalke Saturday 11th August Falkirk v Celtic Aston Villa v Liverpool Sunday 12th August Aberdeen v Hearts Metz v Lille Torquay v Grays Monday 13th August Kilmarnock v Dundee Utd Thursday 16th August Cambridge Utd v Oxford Utd Saturday 18th August Newcastle Utd v Aston Villa Sunday 19th August Aberdeen v Celtic Monday 20th August Exeter City v York City Thursday 23rd August Weymouth v Burton Albion Saturday 25th August Kilmarnock v Rangers Everton v Blackburn Rovers Sunday 26th August Middlesbrough v Newcastle Utd Monday 27th August Stevenage v Oxford Utd Thursday 30th August York City v Rushden Saturday 1st September Manchester Utd v Sunderland Sunday 2nd September St Mirren v Celtic Monday 3rd September Motherwell v Hearts Tuesday 4th September Oxford Utd v Exeter City Thursday 6th September Stafford Rangers v Halifax Monday 10th September Burton Albion v Torquay Thursday 13th September Forest Green v Salisbury Saturday 15th September Chelsea v Blackburn Rovers Monday 17th September Derby County v Newcastle Utd Tuesday 18th September Altrincham v Cambridge Utd Thursday 20th September Histon v Oxford Utd Saturday 22th September Fulham v Manchester City Sunday 23th September Hibernian v Celtic Monday 24th September Ebbsfleet v Crawley Thursday 27th September York City v Halifax Town Saturday 29th September Birmingham City v Manchester Utd Monday 1st October Tottenham v Aston Villa Tuesday 2nd October Aldershot v Exeter City Thursday 4th October Woking v Farsley Sunday 7th October Arsenal v Sunderland Gretna v Celtic Tuesday 9th October Cambridge Utd v Rushden Thursday 11th October Oxford Utd v Torquay Tuesday 16th October Halifax Town v Grays Thursday 18th October Stevenage v Burton Saturday 20th October Aston Villa v Manchester Utd Monday 22nd October Newcastle Utd v Tottenham Tuesday 23rd October York City v Torquay Saturday 27th October Portsmouth v West Ham Utd Sunday 28th October Dundee Utd v Rangers Thursday 1st November Rushden v Oxford Utd Saturday 3rd November Kilmarnock v Celtic Blackburn Rovers v Liverpool Sunday 4th November Hibernian v Hearts Monday 5th November Manchester City v Sunderland Tuesday 6th November Farsley v York City Thursday 8th November Weymouth v Aldershot Saturday 10th November Liverpool v Fulham Sunday 11th November St Mirren v Rangers Monday 12th November Reading v Arsenal Saturday 24th November Derby County v Chelsea |
Will sky join in the price war
murduch_jnr wrote:
On Jul 23, 10:25 am, Sean Black wrote: Don't you have to be on the top package with Virgin to get Setanta sports free? No. From Thurday 26th July subscribers to Virgin's tweny quid non- premium XL TV package will get Setanta Sports 1, Setanta Sports 2, Setanta Golf, Racing UK, Rangers TV, Celtic TV and soon Liverpool FC TV at no extra cost. Pah! We don't have to worry about value for money, we're Sky subscribers, we like being screwed! :O) -- Paul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
Will sky join in the price war
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RobertJM writes "steeler" wrote in message ... "Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message ... Sean Black wrote: : It'd be interesting to see what sort of take up they're getting. Whilst : it's probably a pretty decent deal if you've got no access at present to : Premiership football, but if like me, you've already got Sky Sports and : for the last few years have been getting Prem Plus for a pound a game, : it's a crap deal (not to mention it won't be in HD either). Good excuse : to go down the pub though, I suppose :-) Setanta are not, apparently, doing very well at all (hence the Virgin Deal, reduction of *NEW* Sky/Freeview subscriptions to £9.95/month and no 12 months minimum). They need well over a million subscribers and have ~200,000 so far. ITVdigital anyone? I can't see them converting freeview viewers - they are just not used to paying. Don't know their sub rate but they also have subscribers in Ireland, Australia & North America, and must have picked up a fair few with the racing channel and golf. It's the only way for us Scots to catch our footie games. BTW 1st 19 matches: Saturday, August 11th @ 5.15pm – Aston Villa v Liverpool Saturday, August 18th @ 5.15pm – Newcastle United v Aston Villa Saturday, August 25th @ 5.15pm – Everton v Blackburn Rovers Sunday, August 26th @ 1.30pm – Middlesbrough v Newcastle United Saturday, September 1st @ 5.15pm – Manchester United v Sunderland Saturday, September 15th @ 5.15pm – Chelsea v Blackburn Rovers Monday, September 17th @ 8pm – Derby County v Newcastle United Saturday, September 22nd @ 5.15pm – Fulham v Manchester City Saturday, September 29th @ 5.15pm – Birmingham City v Manchester United Monday, October 1st @ 8pm – Tottenham Hotspur v Aston Villa Sunday, October 7th @ 12noon – Arsenal v Sunderland Saturday, October 20th @ 5.15pm – Aston Villa v Manchester United Monday, October 22nd @ 8pm - Newcastle United v Tottenham Hotspur Saturday, October 27th @ 5.15pm – Portsmouth v West Ham United Saturday, November 3rd @ 5.15pm – Blackburn Rovers v Liverpool Saturday, November 10th @ 5.15pm – Liverpool v Fulham Monday, November 5th @ 8pm – Manchester City v Sunderland Monday, November 12th @ 8pm – Reading v Arsenal Saturday, November 24th @ 5.15pm – Derby County v Chelsea Of those there are two that I would definitely watch. One in October, one In November, so there's no way I'm going to subscribe for two months just to watch two games. If it'd been the same as last season, and I'd got a Prem Plus season ticket, at a pound a game, I may have watched a few more, but at that price it really wouldn't bother me if I did or didn't. Even if these were still PPV on Sky and I bought the two Arsenal matches individually, it still "only" have cost me, I think, £8 each and they'd have been in HD too. So no Setanta for me. -- Sean Black |
Will sky join in the price war
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murduch_jnr writes On Jul 23, 10:25 am, Sean Black wrote: Don't you have to be on the top package with Virgin to get Setanta sports free? No. From Thurday 26th July subscribers to Virgin's tweny quid non- premium XL TV package will get Setanta Sports 1, Setanta Sports 2, Setanta Golf, Racing UK, Rangers TV, Celtic TV and soon Liverpool FC TV at no extra cost. I have no interest in the vast majority of that. Most of the Sky subscribers who are paying a similar price are going to be on the top package, including Sky Sports No, for a similar price Sky subs are getting a basic non-premium package Virgin XL + Setanta = 20.50 Sky 6 mix (no premium sports) = 21 where they'll still be getting more football. No. They'll be getting nothing unless they pay an extra 16 quid for Sky Sports and, to match Virgin, a further 9.99 for Setanta. I believe Sky get first pick of the matches anyway, so Setanta are getting "second-rate" football anyway. Believe that if it makes you feel better... Have you compared the Sky games to the Setanta games? Where are the really big games, Man U v Chelsea, Man U v Arsenal, Man U v Liverpool, Arsenal v Tottenham (may be a bit bias on that one ;-) ) and any combination of those? The Setanta deal includes 46 games from the English Premier League, 60 matches from the Scottish Premier League, the US PGA Tour golf, European League football, and rugby and horse racing from around the UK. Only interested in a handful of EPL games, not interest in any of the other stuff there. From 2008, customers will also get 25 of the 40 televised fixtures from the English FA Cup, a selection of England football internationals and the Community Shield. Couldn't give a toss about England internationals, especially with **** they've got as a manager at the moment :-) Below are just some the matches that will be shown for FREE on Virgin until November (Setanta / Virgin deal for 3 years) Snip long list of games that I have no interest in, apart from 2 (the two Arsenal ones) I'll watch those down the pub instead and console myself with the fact that I can watch the likes of Lost, 24, Battlestar, Rescue Me, Weeds, The 4400 etc... all in glorious HD on Sky One HD :-) -- Sean Black |
Will sky join in the price war
"tim" wrote in message ... Hi Does anyone think that Sky customers will get Setanta free like the Virgin customers are getting. Thanks from Eddie There is no such thing as a free lunch. Basically Virgin and Setanta have huge debts and it makes sense for them to work together in the hope of attracting more subscribers. So Virgin will be paying Setanta out of the basic fee in the hope this reduction in revenue will be offset by increased subscribers. Setanta are independent of SKY. They hire their sat tranponders direct from the sat owners and sell their channels direct to watchers. Setanta hoped the Sat watchers would be a cash cow as they are for SKY. |
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