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Boltar July 14th 07 06:53 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
The other day I bought a Humax freeview box. Seems to work ok.
Something I've noticed though is that the BBC and ITV seem to
broadcast their main channels in a semi letterbox format with fat
black borders at the top and bottom. I'm presuming this is for all
those rich sods with widescreen TVs but what about us lot who still
have a normal TV? Why should we be expected put up with a picture
thats smaller than its analogue equivalent? Fine , for now we can just
switch back to analogue , but what happens when analogue goes? Are the
powers that be in the media expecting us to all buy widescreen TVs now
too?

B2003


Dr Zoidberg July 14th 07 07:00 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
Boltar wrote:
The other day I bought a Humax freeview box. Seems to work ok.
Something I've noticed though is that the BBC and ITV seem to
broadcast their main channels in a semi letterbox format with fat
black borders at the top and bottom. I'm presuming this is for all
those rich sods with widescreen TVs but what about us lot who still
have a normal TV? Why should we be expected put up with a picture
thats smaller than its analogue equivalent? Fine , for now we can just
switch back to analogue , but what happens when analogue goes? Are the
powers that be in the media expecting us to all buy widescreen TVs now
too?

Is there a setting for 4:3 or letterbox on your decoder?

--
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk



the dog from that film you saw[_2_] July 14th 07 07:50 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 

"Boltar" wrote in message
ups.com...
The other day I bought a Humax freeview box. Seems to work ok.
Something I've noticed though is that the BBC and ITV seem to
broadcast their main channels in a semi letterbox format with fat
black borders at the top and bottom. I'm presuming this is for all
those rich sods with widescreen TVs but what about us lot who still
have a normal TV? Why should we be expected put up with a picture
thats smaller than its analogue equivalent? Fine , for now we can just
switch back to analogue , but what happens when analogue goes? Are the
powers that be in the media expecting us to all buy widescreen TVs now
too?




no,
they expect you to bother to read the manual that came with your freeview
box and switch your box to 4:3 output.



--
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/



R. Mark Clayton July 14th 07 07:56 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 

"Boltar" wrote in message
ups.com...
The other day I bought a Humax freeview box. Seems to work ok.
Something I've noticed though is that the BBC and ITV seem to
broadcast their main channels in a semi letterbox format with fat
black borders at the top and bottom. I'm presuming this is for all
those rich sods with widescreen TVs but what about us lot who still
have a normal TV?


It is 14:9 - a sort of compromise.

Why should we be expected put up with a picture
thats smaller than its analogue equivalent? Fine , for now we can just
switch back to analogue , but what happens when analogue goes? Are the
powers that be in the media expecting us to all buy widescreen TVs now
too?


Most receiver boxes allow you to choose the aspect ratio of the output.

RTFM


B2003




Max Demian July 14th 07 08:13 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
"Boltar" wrote in message
ups.com...
The other day I bought a Humax freeview box. Seems to work ok.
Something I've noticed though is that the BBC and ITV seem to
broadcast their main channels in a semi letterbox format with fat
black borders at the top and bottom. I'm presuming this is for all
those rich sods with widescreen TVs but what about us lot who still
have a normal TV? Why should we be expected put up with a picture
thats smaller than its analogue equivalent? Fine , for now we can just
switch back to analogue , but what happens when analogue goes? Are the
powers that be in the media expecting us to all buy widescreen TVs now
too?


Press the 'wide' button on your remote (or whatever it's called on yours).
It should cycle between 16:9, 14:9 and 4:3 (assuming your box is configured
for a 4:3 TV - usually it's the default).

--
Max Demian



Dave Plowman (News) July 14th 07 08:32 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
In article . com,
Boltar wrote:
The other day I bought a Humax freeview box. Seems to work ok.
Something I've noticed though is that the BBC and ITV seem to
broadcast their main channels in a semi letterbox format with fat
black borders at the top and bottom. I'm presuming this is for all
those rich sods with widescreen TVs but what about us lot who still
have a normal TV? Why should we be expected put up with a picture
thats smaller than its analogue equivalent? Fine , for now we can just
switch back to analogue , but what happens when analogue goes? Are the
powers that be in the media expecting us to all buy widescreen TVs now
too?


Just think of those poor sods who've paid out good money for widescreen
only to discover older 4:3 stuff is still 4:3.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Phil Cook July 14th 07 08:42 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
Dr Zoidberg wrote:

Boltar wrote:
The other day I bought a Humax freeview box. Seems to work ok.
Something I've noticed though is that the BBC and ITV seem to
broadcast their main channels in a semi letterbox format with fat
black borders at the top and bottom. I'm presuming this is for all
those rich sods with widescreen TVs but what about us lot who still
have a normal TV? Why should we be expected put up with a picture
thats smaller than its analogue equivalent? Fine , for now we can just
switch back to analogue , but what happens when analogue goes? Are the
powers that be in the media expecting us to all buy widescreen TVs now
too?

Is there a setting for 4:3 or letterbox on your decoder?


Probably, but the *******ised version of 14:9 is default for
displaying 16:9 on a 4:3 set according to the DTT specs.

My Topfield is running old firmware to enable me to select full
letterbox (which is how I like it) but there is an option to display a
centre cut out of widescreen broadcast on a 4:3 set.

This is from a Humax manual:

A/V Control

3. Screen Ratio
You can set the aspect ratio of your TV.
1. Select Screen Ratio using the button, and press the OK or button.
2. Select one option from 4:3 or 16:9 using the button, and press the
OK button.
Note: If 2 options are provided, you can switch the option at a time
using the OK button. Namely,
Whenever you press the OK button, Screen Ratio is switched between 4:3
and 16:9.

4. Display Format
You can select the Display Format according to TV Screen Ratio.
1. Select Display Format using the button, and press the OK or button.
2. If the Screen Ratio is set to 4:3, you can select one from
Auto/Letter box/Center Mode using the
button, and press the OK button.
3. If the Screen Ratio is set to 16:9, you can select one from
Auto/Pillar box/Full mode using the
button, and press the OK button.



--
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Paul Ratcliffe July 14th 07 09:09 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:32:53 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

Just think of those poor sods who've paid out good money for widescreen
only to discover older 4:3 stuff is still 4:3.


If only that were true all the time. Some broadcasters make 16:9 out of
4:3 by unceremoniously chopping off a large lump of the top and bottom of
the original picture thus completely buggering the original shot
composition. They seem to think this is acceptable. Most of the time it
is not.

Max Demian July 14th 07 11:34 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:32:53 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)

wrote:

Just think of those poor sods who've paid out good money for widescreen
only to discover older 4:3 stuff is still 4:3.


If only that were true all the time. Some broadcasters make 16:9 out of
4:3 by unceremoniously chopping off a large lump of the top and bottom of
the original picture thus completely buggering the original shot
composition. They seem to think this is acceptable. Most of the time it
is not.


Especially if you have a 4:3 set and chop off the sides as well.

--
Max Demian



Boltar July 15th 07 05:20 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
On 14 Jul, 18:50, "the dog from that film you saw"
wrote:
"Boltar" wrote in message

ups.com...

The other day I bought a Humax freeview box. Seems to work ok.
Something I've noticed though is that the BBC and ITV seem to
broadcast their main channels in a semi letterbox format with fat
black borders at the top and bottom. I'm presuming this is for all
those rich sods with widescreen TVs but what about us lot who still
have a normal TV? Why should we be expected put up with a picture
thats smaller than its analogue equivalent? Fine , for now we can just
switch back to analogue , but what happens when analogue goes? Are the
powers that be in the media expecting us to all buy widescreen TVs now
too?


no,
they expect you to bother to read the manual that came with your freeview
box and switch your box to 4:3 output.


When I do that it either, depending on the option, distorts the
picture or chops the sides off. Hardly ideal. Wouldn't it be better if
the broadcasters broadcast 4:3 on normal TV channels and left the
wannabe cinematic stuff to any HDTV channels that come along?

B2003



Adrian A July 15th 07 05:39 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
Boltar wrote:
On 14 Jul, 18:50, "the dog from that film you saw"
wrote:
"Boltar" wrote in message

ups.com...

The other day I bought a Humax freeview box. Seems to work ok.
Something I've noticed though is that the BBC and ITV seem to
broadcast their main channels in a semi letterbox format with fat
black borders at the top and bottom. I'm presuming this is for all
those rich sods with widescreen TVs but what about us lot who still
have a normal TV? Why should we be expected put up with a picture
thats smaller than its analogue equivalent? Fine , for now we can
just switch back to analogue , but what happens when analogue goes?
Are the powers that be in the media expecting us to all buy
widescreen TVs now too?


no,
they expect you to bother to read the manual that came with your
freeview box and switch your box to 4:3 output.


When I do that it either, depending on the option, distorts the
picture or chops the sides off. Hardly ideal. Wouldn't it be better if
the broadcasters broadcast 4:3 on normal TV channels and left the
wannabe cinematic stuff to any HDTV channels that come along?

B2003


Why should everyone else put up with 4:3 just to suit you?



Jim Lesurf July 15th 07 05:41 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
In article . com,
Boltar
wrote:
On 14 Jul, 18:50, "the dog from that film you saw"
wrote:



no, they expect you to bother to read the manual that came with your
freeview box and switch your box to 4:3 output.


When I do that it either, depending on the option, distorts the picture
or chops the sides off. Hardly ideal. Wouldn't it be better if the
broadcasters broadcast 4:3 on normal TV channels and left the wannabe
cinematic stuff to any HDTV channels that come along?


Since you asked for my opinion: No, it wouldn't. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Dr Zoidberg July 15th 07 06:30 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
Boltar wrote:
On 14 Jul, 18:50, "the dog from that film you saw"
wrote:
"Boltar" wrote in message

ups.com...

The other day I bought a Humax freeview box. Seems to work ok.
Something I've noticed though is that the BBC and ITV seem to
broadcast their main channels in a semi letterbox format with fat
black borders at the top and bottom. I'm presuming this is for all
those rich sods with widescreen TVs but what about us lot who still
have a normal TV? Why should we be expected put up with a picture
thats smaller than its analogue equivalent? Fine , for now we can
just switch back to analogue , but what happens when analogue goes?
Are the powers that be in the media expecting us to all buy
widescreen TVs now too?


no,
they expect you to bother to read the manual that came with your
freeview box and switch your box to 4:3 output.


When I do that it either, depending on the option, distorts the
picture or chops the sides off. Hardly ideal. Wouldn't it be better if
the broadcasters broadcast 4:3 on normal TV channels and left the
wannabe cinematic stuff to any HDTV channels that come along?

Hell no.
I prefered a widescreen image where every part of the scene is visible even
back when I had a 4:3 set , and while I don't have any figures I'd be
surprised if the majority of households don't have a widescreen set for at
least their main TV.

If there was bandwidth available it would probably make sense to have a 4:3
version of some channels available but as there isn't , it doesn't


--
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk



the dog from that film you saw[_2_] July 15th 07 06:35 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 

"Boltar" wrote in message
ups.com...


no,
they expect you to bother to read the manual that came with your freeview
box and switch your box to 4:3 output.


When I do that it either, depending on the option, distorts the
picture or chops the sides off. Hardly ideal. Wouldn't it be better if
the broadcasters broadcast 4:3 on normal TV channels and left the
wannabe cinematic stuff to any HDTV channels that come along?




of course it chops the sides off - the shows are filmed in widescreen so if
you dont want them that way how else are they supposed to make them 4:3.
just try finding a 4:3 tv on sale in the shops - digital tv has been
widescreen for years.



--
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/



the dog from that film you saw[_2_] July 15th 07 06:36 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 

"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message
...


Hell no.
I prefered a widescreen image where every part of the scene is visible
even back when I had a 4:3 set , and while I don't have any figures I'd be
surprised if the majority of households don't have a widescreen set for at
least their main TV.

If there was bandwidth available it would probably make sense to have a
4:3 version of some channels available but as there isn't , it doesn't



and even if they did broadcast a 4:3 channel, it would still be the
'chopped' version.



--
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/



Boltar July 15th 07 07:16 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
On 15 Jul, 16:39, "Adrian A" wrote:
Why should everyone else put up with 4:3 just to suit you?


Who's everyone else? That tiny tiny percentage of people who have
widescreen compared to the vast majority of the population who have
standard TVs?

B2003


Boltar July 15th 07 07:17 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
On 15 Jul, 17:30, "Dr Zoidberg"
wrote:
surprised if the majority of households don't have a widescreen set for at
least their main TV.


Are you for real? I don't know a single person who owns a widescreen
TV. Where do you live , Sloane Square?

B2003




Boltar July 15th 07 07:21 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
On 15 Jul, 17:35, "the dog from that film you saw"
wrote:
of course it chops the sides off - the shows are filmed in widescreen so if
you dont want them that way how else are they supposed to make them 4:3.


They could broadcast 4:3 signals or was that too obvious a solution?

just try finding a 4:3 tv on sale in the shops - digital tv has been
widescreen for years.


Well that'll be ****ing useful when analogue switches off. Are we all
supposed to fork out for a widescreen set or just watch a picture that
effectively reduces the size of our screens by a third? Oh , but
wait , I forgot the digital switchover is all about money and the
people who have it and has sod all to do with making life better for
most of the population.

B2003




the dog from that film you saw[_2_] July 15th 07 07:33 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 

"Boltar" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 15 Jul, 16:39, "Adrian A" wrote:
Why should everyone else put up with 4:3 just to suit you?


Who's everyone else? That tiny tiny percentage of people who have
widescreen compared to the vast majority of the population who have
standard TVs?




and then everyone realised it was the emperor/whatsisface guy with a new
username.



--
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/



Dr Zoidberg July 15th 07 08:23 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
Boltar wrote:
On 15 Jul, 17:30, "Dr Zoidberg"
wrote:
surprised if the majority of households don't have a widescreen set
for at least their main TV.


Are you for real? I don't know a single person who owns a widescreen
TV. Where do you live , Sloane Square?

Hello Half-wit.

I only know two people that don't have a widescreen


--
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk



Dr Zoidberg July 15th 07 08:24 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
Boltar wrote:
On 15 Jul, 17:35, "the dog from that film you saw"
wrote:
of course it chops the sides off - the shows are filmed in
widescreen so if you dont want them that way how else are they
supposed to make them 4:3.


They could broadcast 4:3 signals or was that too obvious a solution?


And 4:3 signals have just had the sides chopped off by the broadcasters.

just try finding a 4:3 tv on sale in the shops - digital tv has been
widescreen for years.


Well that'll be ****ing useful when analogue switches off. Are we all
supposed to fork out for a widescreen set or just watch a picture that
effectively reduces the size of our screens by a third?


As has been pointed out , you can just set the decoder to display a 4:3
image

--
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk



Prometheus July 15th 07 08:47 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
In article .com,
Boltar writes
On 15 Jul, 17:30, "Dr Zoidberg"
wrote:
surprised if the majority of households don't have a widescreen set for at
least their main TV.


Are you for real? I don't know a single person who owns a widescreen
TV. Where do you live , Sloane Square?


Where do you get the idea that only Sloane Rangers can afford 180 GBP
for a 28" wide-screen TV? Perhaps you 'think' that the only wide-screen
TVs are 42" "HD (not quite) ready" IDTV plasma TVs, you would be
mistaken!
--
Ian G8ILZ
There are always two people in every pictu the photographer and the viewer.
~Ansel Adams

Prometheus July 15th 07 08:58 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
In article .com,
Boltar writes
On 15 Jul, 17:35, "the dog from that film you saw"
wrote:
of course it chops the sides off - the shows are filmed in widescreen so if
you dont want them that way how else are they supposed to make them 4:3.


They could broadcast 4:3 signals or was that too obvious a solution?


Then they would be chopping the sides off. And whilst we are at it; we
can dispense with the wasteful colour, it takes more bandwidth and TX
power; as for 625 lines, it's far, far too much, all you need is 30!!

just try finding a 4:3 tv on sale in the shops - digital tv has been
widescreen for years.


Well that'll be ****ing useful when analogue switches off. Are we all
supposed to fork out for a widescreen set or just watch a picture that
effectively reduces the size of our screens by a third?


No, you could always chop off the extra bits at the side which you
didn't have before, and when your TV wears-out replace it with something
made for the 21st century.

--
Ian G8ILZ
There are always two people in every pictu the photographer and the viewer.
~Ansel Adams

Boltar July 15th 07 09:00 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
On 15 Jul, 19:23, "Dr Zoidberg"
wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On 15 Jul, 17:30, "Dr Zoidberg"
wrote:
surprised if the majority of households don't have a widescreen set
for at least their main TV.


Are you for real? I don't know a single person who owns a widescreen
TV. Where do you live , Sloane Square?


Hello Half-wit.

I only know two people that don't have a widescreen


You should share that fascinating fact next time your down at Henley
swilling the champers in the Bentley what what old chap.

B2003



{{{{{Welcome}}}}} July 15th 07 09:29 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:21:21 -0700, Boltar wrote:

On 15 Jul, 17:35, "the dog from that film you saw"
wrote:
of course it chops the sides off - the shows are filmed in widescreen so if
you dont want them that way how else are they supposed to make them 4:3.


They could broadcast 4:3 signals or was that too obvious a solution?


You really are clueless, is being thick a hobby of yours.

If they were to 'broadcast 4:3' they would simply be chopping the sides
off!

just try finding a 4:3 tv on sale in the shops - digital tv has been
widescreen for years.


Well that'll be ****ing useful when analogue switches off. Are we all
supposed to fork out for a widescreen set or just watch a picture that
effectively reduces the size of our screens by a third? Oh , but
wait , I forgot the digital switchover is all about money and the
people who have it and has sod all to do with making life better for
most of the population.

B2003


You could just put up with 4:3 centre-cut-out or watch films or non- 4:3
or 14:9 safe material in letterbox and get used to the better ratio.


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John Rumm July 15th 07 09:30 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
Boltar wrote:
On 15 Jul, 16:39, "Adrian A" wrote:
Why should everyone else put up with 4:3 just to suit you?


Who's everyone else? That tiny tiny percentage of people who have
widescreen compared to the vast majority of the population who have
standard TVs?


I prefer to watch the stuff in the intended aspect ratio, even on a 4:3.
I would much rather see the whole frame, rather than worry about a bit
of blank screen.

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{{{{{Welcome}}}}} July 15th 07 09:31 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:17:55 -0700, Boltar wrote:

On 15 Jul, 17:30, "Dr Zoidberg"
wrote:
surprised if the majority of households don't have a widescreen set for at
least their main TV.


Are you for real? I don't know a single person who owns a widescreen
TV. Where do you live , Sloane Square?

B2003


I don't know a single person who doesn't have a widescreen TV.

I bought mine back in 1997.

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Dr Zoidberg July 15th 07 10:02 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:17:55 -0700, Boltar wrote:

On 15 Jul, 17:30, "Dr Zoidberg"
wrote:
surprised if the majority of households don't have a widescreen set
for at least their main TV.


Are you for real? I don't know a single person who owns a widescreen
TV. Where do you live , Sloane Square?

B2003


I don't know a single person who doesn't have a widescreen TV.

I bought mine back in 1997.


Mine was in 1999 , paid for from the windfall I got when Centrica bought The
AA
--
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk



Dr Zoidberg July 15th 07 10:03 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
Boltar wrote:
On 15 Jul, 19:23, "Dr Zoidberg"
wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On 15 Jul, 17:30, "Dr Zoidberg"
wrote:
surprised if the majority of households don't have a widescreen set
for at least their main TV.


Are you for real? I don't know a single person who owns a widescreen
TV. Where do you live , Sloane Square?


Hello Half-wit.

I only know two people that don't have a widescreen


You should share that fascinating fact next time your down at Henley
swilling the champers in the Bentley what what old chap.

Well , technically Bentley is now part of the VW group as is Skoda , so
perhaps my Octavia is a relative of the Bentley

--
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk



{{{{{Welcome}}}}} July 15th 07 10:34 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:02:08 +0100, Dr Zoidberg wrote:

{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:17:55 -0700, Boltar wrote:

On 15 Jul, 17:30, "Dr Zoidberg"
wrote:
surprised if the majority of households don't have a widescreen set
for at least their main TV.

Are you for real? I don't know a single person who owns a widescreen
TV. Where do you live , Sloane Square?

B2003


I don't know a single person who doesn't have a widescreen TV.

I bought mine back in 1997.


Mine was in 1999 , paid for from the windfall I got when Centrica bought The
AA


I got mine 55% off the usual shop price (which was less than the RRP,
though we know that RRPs are loaded, so shops can knock money off), I think
they made a mistake as the price they were selling it for was pretty low,
it was a display model, but they were selling me the pro-logic version yet
the details they had were for a non-pro-logic version.

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Adrian A July 15th 07 10:57 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
Boltar wrote:
On 15 Jul, 16:39, "Adrian A" wrote:
Why should everyone else put up with 4:3 just to suit you?


Who's everyone else? That tiny tiny percentage of people who have
widescreen compared to the vast majority of the population who have
standard TVs?

B2003


Absolute nonsense! The majority of set these days are widescreen, 4:3 sets
are a rapidly decreasing minority.



David July 15th 07 10:57 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 

"Boltar" wrote in message
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The other day I bought a Humax freeview box. Seems to work ok.
Something I've noticed though is that the BBC and ITV seem to
broadcast their main channels in a semi letterbox format with fat
black borders at the top and bottom. I'm presuming this is for all
those rich sods with widescreen TVs but what about us lot who still
have a normal TV? Why should we be expected put up with a picture
thats smaller than its analogue equivalent? Fine , for now we can just
switch back to analogue , but what happens when analogue goes? Are the
powers that be in the media expecting us to all buy widescreen TVs now
too?


Get a box that you can set up up to do what you want, all my boxes can be
set to get that.

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Adrian A July 15th 07 10:58 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
Boltar wrote:
On 15 Jul, 17:30, "Dr Zoidberg"
wrote:
surprised if the majority of households don't have a widescreen set
for at least their main TV.


Are you for real? I don't know a single person who owns a widescreen
TV. Where do you live , Sloane Square?

B2003


I'm begining to think you're either a troll or you don't have many friends.



Adrian A July 15th 07 11:00 PM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
Dr Zoidberg wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On 15 Jul, 17:30, "Dr Zoidberg"
wrote:
surprised if the majority of households don't have a widescreen set
for at least their main TV.


Are you for real? I don't know a single person who owns a widescreen
TV. Where do you live , Sloane Square?

Hello Half-wit.

I only know two people that don't have a widescreen


I wondered if it was Half-wit but I didn't think he posted from google
groups.



widgitt July 16th 07 02:13 AM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 
Set your humax box, in the menus, for a 14x9 pic. That will be exactly
the same as the analogue pic which BBC and ITV use most of the time as
a compromise.
I agree with everone else, though. Its much better to set the box to
letterbox and see the whole of the programme, whether it is a 4x3 one
or a 16x9.
I dispair with those who will insist on stretching 4x3 material to
fill a widescreen tv, though. Either they dont notice (about 80% ) or
they dont care (about 20%).
On the other hand, I very regularly have the conversation with
customers who have 4x3 TVs, that they dont want a widescreen TV
because they "make everyone short and fat".
A very large percentage of the households I visit have at least one
item of equipment (Sky box, Freeview box or DVD) set to generate 4x3
when they have a 16x9 TV.
Some are grateful to have the correct settings and auto switching and
many complain that they don't want square pictures. It was always
obvious you wouldn't win when it comes to widescreen.


Lord Turkey Cough[_2_] July 16th 07 04:16 AM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 

"the dog from that film you saw" wrote
in message ...

"Boltar" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 15 Jul, 16:39, "Adrian A" wrote:
Why should everyone else put up with 4:3 just to suit you?


Who's everyone else? That tiny tiny percentage of people who have
widescreen compared to the vast majority of the population who have
standard TVs?




and then everyone realised it was the emperor/whatsisface guy with a new
username.


and then everyone realised you were wrong because I know it not him





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Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
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Lord Turkey Cough[_2_] July 16th 07 04:22 AM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 

"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" wrote in message
. uk...
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:17:55 -0700, Boltar wrote:

On 15 Jul, 17:30, "Dr Zoidberg"
wrote:
surprised if the majority of households don't have a widescreen set for
at
least their main TV.


Are you for real? I don't know a single person who owns a widescreen
TV. Where do you live , Sloane Square?

B2003


I don't know a single person who doesn't have a widescreen TV.

I bought mine back in 1997.


It must have been exciting waiting to a widescreen program to be broadcast,
still I am sure it impressed the neighbours nonetheless.
Did you have it on display in the window in your front room, or did you
parade
around town with it strapped to the top of your porsche?


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Lord Turkey Cough[_2_] July 16th 07 04:26 AM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 

"Max Demian" wrote in message
...
"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:32:53 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)

wrote:

Just think of those poor sods who've paid out good money for widescreen
only to discover older 4:3 stuff is still 4:3.


If only that were true all the time. Some broadcasters make 16:9 out of
4:3 by unceremoniously chopping off a large lump of the top and bottom of
the original picture thus completely buggering the original shot
composition. They seem to think this is acceptable. Most of the time it
is not.


Especially if you have a 4:3 set and chop off the sides as well.


Surely you could sue the government under the human rights act.
I am sure there is something about punishment without a fair trial.




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Lord Turkey Cough[_2_] July 16th 07 04:46 AM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 

"widgitt" wrote in message
ups.com...
Set your humax box, in the menus, for a 14x9 pic. That will be exactly
the same as the analogue pic which BBC and ITV use most of the time as
a compromise.
I agree with everone else, though. Its much better to set the box to
letterbox and see the whole of the programme, whether it is a 4x3 one
or a 16x9.
I dispair with those who will insist on stretching 4x3 material to
fill a widescreen tv, though. Either they dont notice (about 80% ) or
they dont care (about 20%).


It's because black bars look f*cking ugly.
Also they paid for a certain number of lines on their TV and consquently
expect to see something on them.

I mean if you paid to have some photographs taken and then found that
theree were great big ugly black bars left right and centre you would not
be too happy.
I am sure an explaination of "It's widescreen innit" would not go down too
well. Or maybe it would?



On the other hand, I very regularly have the conversation with
customers who have 4x3 TVs, that they dont want a widescreen TV
because they "make everyone short and fat".
A very large percentage of the households I visit have at least one
item of equipment (Sky box, Freeview box or DVD) set to generate 4x3
when they have a 16x9 TV.
Some are grateful to have the correct settings and auto switching and
many complain that they don't want square pictures. It was always
obvious you wouldn't win when it comes to widescreen.


Thats cos it's cr*p. You may make a living out of selling the cr*p
but 99% of the population don't have that vested interest.





the dog from that film you saw[_2_] July 16th 07 08:29 AM

Annoying semi-letterbox format on main freeview channels
 

"Lord Turkey Cough" wrote in message
...




and then everyone realised it was the emperor/whatsisface guy with a new
username.


and then everyone realised you were wrong because I know it not him




perhaps not then - but certainly a bird of a SPASTIC feather.



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That fly... is your magic wand.
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