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JER67 July 10th 07 01:24 PM

OTA Question
 
I currently own a Mits. 57732 DLP w/ comcast high def. I am considering
buying a winegard antenna to pick up high def on UHF. I live 10 miles
from 7 HDTV towers all within 3 degrees of each other.

Anybody else have a good or bad experience with using a OTA for high
def.? I have heard that with an antenna it can look better than cable
high def.

Any and all input is appreciated!

~J~


[email protected] July 10th 07 02:36 PM

OTA Question
 
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:24:16 -0400 JER67 wrote:
| I currently own a Mits. 57732 DLP w/ comcast high def. I am considering
| buying a winegard antenna to pick up high def on UHF. I live 10 miles
| from 7 HDTV towers all within 3 degrees of each other.

Tell us which TV market that is so we know what the channels really are.
Or are you sure that all the digitals channels are, and will stay, on UHF?


| Anybody else have a good or bad experience with using a OTA for high
| def.? I have heard that with an antenna it can look better than cable
| high def.

Depends on who you ask. Ask Bob Miller and he'll tell you that you're
wasting your money and that ATSC/8VSB does not work and you'll get no
picture at all most of the time. Ask anyone else (including people that
have actual digital TVs and get actual signals over the air from distances
a lot further than yours) and they will tell you that you can get a very
good picture and that it will be better than cable if your cable company
does re-compression (apparently most do). You may also get subchannels
your cable company doesn't even carry.

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| first name lower case at ipal.net / |
|------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

JER67 July 10th 07 03:14 PM

OTA Question
 
From:

Tell us which TV market that is so we know what the channels really are.
Or are you sure that all the digitals channels are, and will stay, on
UHF?

-----------From ~J~ JER67----------------
Boston MA. Break Down:
1) Antenna Type: "color" & ALL UHF
Y= yellow, G=green, R=red
2) Call Sign: "All DT"
3) Channel: "ALL HD"
4) Network:
5) City: "ALL Boston"
6) State: "All MA."
7) Compass Degree:
8) MIles:
9) Frequenct Assignment:

(7) Channels I am looking to get:

Y-wgbh-2.1-PBS-102 deg.-9.2 mi-19

Y-wlvi-56.1-CW-105 deg-10.1 mi.-41

Y-wskb-38.1-IND-102 deg-9.2 mi.-39

Y-wbz-4.1-CBS-102 deg-9.2 mi.-30

Y-wcvb-5.1-ABC-102 deg-9.2 mi.-20

G-wfxt-25.1-FOX-105 deg-10.1 mi.-31

R-whdh-7.1-NBC-102 deg-10.3 mi. 42

I have comcast High Def Cable. I am only looking to pick up these high
def channels via outdoor antenna.




Alan F July 10th 07 03:27 PM

OTA Question
 
JER67 wrote:
I currently own a Mits. 57732 DLP w/ comcast high def. I am considering
buying a winegard antenna to pick up high def on UHF. I live 10 miles
from 7 HDTV towers all within 3 degrees of each other.

Anybody else have a good or bad experience with using a OTA for high
def.? I have heard that with an antenna it can look better than cable
high def.

Any and all input is appreciated!

~J~


If you provide your zip code, we can look up the digital stations and
see if they are all on UHF and whether they will stay on UHF after the
analog shutdown in 2009. The zip code also tells us something about your
terrain - hilly, wooded, flat plains, desert - which impacts antenna
selection. At 10 miles, an indoor or attic mounted antenna can often do
the job but not always if you live down in a valley or in dense woods.

Most people have very good experience with OTA digital reception -
provided they live in an area where OTA reception is feasible - now that
most major stations are at or near full power on their digital channel.
I get 16 digital stations - 13 with HD sub-channels - quite reliably
with a Channel Master 4221 4 Bay bowtie in my attic. I expect I will get
18 OTA digital stations by the end of the year when the last two
holdouts in the Baltimore-Washington market - WUTB-DT My 24 in Baltimore
(should be soon) and WHUT-DT PBS in DC go full power.

Yes, the local stations can look better OTA than via cable, but that
varies a lot depending on whether the specific local cable system adds
more compression to squeeze the HD channels into limited bandwidth. OTA
reception will also get all the SD sub-channels that Comcast may not
pass through.

Alan F





ValveJob July 10th 07 05:32 PM

OTA Question
 
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:24:16 -0400, (JER67) wrote:

I currently own a Mits. 57732 DLP w/ comcast high def. I am considering
buying a winegard antenna to pick up high def on UHF. I live 10 miles
from 7 HDTV towers all within 3 degrees of each other.

Anybody else have a good or bad experience with using a OTA for high
def.? I have heard that with an antenna it can look better than cable
high def.

Any and all input is appreciated!

~J~


You are in luck.

At your location, all you have to do is hang a cheap bowtie antenna
off your ant input and you should get perfect HDTV reception for all
those channels.

Your only problem is figuring how to share the OTA with your box.
You may want to use a cheap splitter to combine the two or you may
have an extra jack on your TV or box. Or you may find less problems
using a switch between the two.






Tam/WB2TT July 10th 07 05:38 PM

OTA Question
 

"JER67" wrote in message
...
From:

Tell us which TV market that is so we know what the channels really are.
Or are you sure that all the digitals channels are, and will stay, on
UHF?

-----------From ~J~ JER67----------------
Boston MA. Break Down:
1) Antenna Type: "color" & ALL UHF
Y= yellow, G=green, R=red
2) Call Sign: "All DT"
3) Channel: "ALL HD"
4) Network:
5) City: "ALL Boston"
6) State: "All MA."
7) Compass Degree:
8) MIles:
9) Frequenct Assignment:

(7) Channels I am looking to get:

Y-wgbh-2.1-PBS-102 deg.-9.2 mi-19

Y-wlvi-56.1-CW-105 deg-10.1 mi.-41

Y-wskb-38.1-IND-102 deg-9.2 mi.-39

Y-wbz-4.1-CBS-102 deg-9.2 mi.-30

Y-wcvb-5.1-ABC-102 deg-9.2 mi.-20

G-wfxt-25.1-FOX-105 deg-10.1 mi.-31

R-whdh-7.1-NBC-102 deg-10.3 mi. 42

I have comcast High Def Cable. I am only looking to pick up these high
def channels via outdoor antenna.



Before you spend any money, try one of these UHF loops that used to come
with TV sets. You will need a 300:75 Ohm transformer, but you will need that
with whatever antenna you end up using.

Tam



Wes Newell July 10th 07 06:15 PM

OTA Question
 
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:24:16 -0400, JER67 wrote:

I currently own a Mits. 57732 DLP w/ comcast high def. I am considering
buying a winegard antenna to pick up high def on UHF. I live 10 miles
from 7 HDTV towers all within 3 degrees of each other.

At only 10 miles, suggest you try a cheap uhf/vhf antenna. I assume your
TV is a newer ,odel with a built in ATSC tuner.

Anybody else have a good or bad experience with using a OTA for high
def.? I have heard that with an antenna it can look better than cable
high def.

I switched from NTSC to ATSC only about 2 years ago. I'm about 42 miles
from the towers and I get perfect reception except during extreme storms
where I may get some pixelation. OTA ATSC is almost always better than
cable or sat. It will never be worse.

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Rick Evans[_2_] July 10th 07 09:00 PM

OTA Question
 
"JER67" wrote in message
...
I currently own a Mits. 57732 DLP w/ comcast high def. I am
considering
buying a winegard antenna to pick up high def on UHF. I live
10 miles
from 7 HDTV towers all within 3 degrees of each other.

Anybody else have a good or bad experience with using a OTA
for high
def.? I have heard that with an antenna it can look better
than cable
high def.

Any and all input is appreciated!


If you can easily return the antenna I would just try it.

I live outside Boston and get all my HD and other digital
TV OTA. My closest station is about 11 miles way the
farthest
is about 30 miles. In my case seems less important than
what's
between me an the transmitters as the farthest station is
acually
the most stable.

I use an amplified indoor antenna which requires
occasional adjustment but works great. I actually get more
stations(plus the sub channels) than I did under analog
only.

--
Rick Evans
---------------------------------------------------------------
Lon -71° 04' 35"
Lat +42° 11' 07"


G-squared July 10th 07 09:45 PM

OTA Question
 
On Jul 10, 4:24 am, (JER67) wrote:
I currently own a Mits. 57732 DLP w/ comcast high def. I am considering
buying a winegard antenna to pick up high def on UHF. I live 10 miles
from 7 HDTV towers all within 3 degrees of each other.

Anybody else have a good or bad experience with using a OTA for high
def.? I have heard that with an antenna it can look better than cable
high def.

Any and all input is appreciated!

~J~


If you can see the towers you'll have very little trouble. OTOH if
there is a mountain or tall buildings, it will get interesting.
Distance is not a big issue as long as the multipath (ghosts) are not
severe. Even then there are things to do. Check out this one and
particularly, Rev 2

http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~wn17/

A little extreme but it proves the point. Yes Bob, I know COFDM works
better.

GG


Rick Evans[_2_] July 10th 07 11:04 PM

OTA Question
 
"G-squared" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jul 10, 4:24 am, (JER67) wrote:

snip
http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~wn17/

A little extreme but it proves the point. Yes Bob, I know
COFDM works
better.


ROFL
--

Rick Evans
---------------------------------------------------------------
Lon -71° 04' 35.3"
Lat +42° 11' 06.7"


Alan F July 10th 07 11:56 PM

OTA Question
 
ValveJob wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:24:16 -0400, (JER67) wrote:

I currently own a Mits. 57732 DLP w/ comcast high def. I am considering
buying a winegard antenna to pick up high def on UHF. I live 10 miles
from 7 HDTV towers all within 3 degrees of each other.
Anybody else have a good or bad experience with using a OTA for high
def.? I have heard that with an antenna it can look better than cable
high def.

Any and all input is appreciated!

~J~


You are in luck.

At your location, all you have to do is hang a cheap bowtie antenna
off your ant input and you should get perfect HDTV reception for all
those channels.

Your only problem is figuring how to share the OTA with your box.
You may want to use a cheap splitter to combine the two or you may
have an extra jack on your TV or box. Or you may find less problems
using a switch between the two.


I am still waiting for
to reply with his zip code, but
from his other reply, he lives in the Boston area. All of the major
network digital stations are currently on UHF, but they will not stay
that way. In Boston, WHDH-DT NBC 7 will be switching it's digital
channel from UHF 42 to upper VHF 7 in February, 2009 after the analog
shutdown. So at 10 miles, he can try a Silver Sensor indoor UHF antenna
for now. But if he puts up a permanent or attic antenna, it should be
one that can get upper VHF 7 to 13 stations as well.

Alan F



Del Mibbler[_2_] July 11th 07 02:28 AM

OTA Question
 
Alan F wrote (in part):

In Boston, WHDH-DT NBC 7 will be switching it's digital
channel from UHF 42 to upper VHF 7 in February, 2009 after the analog
shutdown. So at 10 miles, he can try a Silver Sensor indoor UHF antenna
for now. But if he puts up a permanent or attic antenna, it should be
one that can get upper VHF 7 to 13 stations as well.


I have both a Silver Sensor and a CM 4-bay bowtie. At about 10 miles
from the Albany antenna farm, both do well on the two VHF digitals,
channels 7 and 12. The bowtie is in the attic, looking through wood,
slate, the house next door and probably some trees. The SS, at a
different location, is looking through a ground-floor window with no
nearby obstructions.

When another station moves to its analog channel, 6, it may be a
different story.

Del Mibbler

NadCixelsyd July 11th 07 03:15 AM

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You apparently live 10 miles WNW of the Needham, MA, antenna farm,
probably Sudbury.

I have a cottage 48 miles southeast of Needham, MA, (Wareham) and I
pick up all the Boston stations just fine with my Winegard VHF/UHF
antenna. (I don't watch any VHF television so I can not attest to
anything there) You will probably be able to pick up the Providence
stations as well, although they usually just duplicate the Boston
ones.

I live about 5 miles west of the Needham towers (Natick) and pick up
all the stations just fine with a Channel Master 8-bay UHF antenna in
my attic. It even picks up VHF channel 7 just fine. WHDH will be
moving its digital broadcasts to channel 7 when it shuts its analog
station down in 2009. Otherwise, all stations will be UHF.


Flasherly July 11th 07 09:28 AM

OTA Question
 
On Jul 10, 7:24 am, (JER67) wrote:
I currently own a Mits. 57732 DLP w/ comcast high def. I am considering
buying a winegard antenna to pick up high def on UHF. I live 10 miles
from 7 HDTV towers all within 3 degrees of each other.

Anybody else have a good or bad experience with using a OTA for high
def.? I have heard that with an antenna it can look better than cable
high def.

Any and all input is appreciated!

~J~


10-yr-old antenna, hefty boom width, but with horrible SD reception
from 6 network channels (trees, telephone lines, location, I guess).
Couldn't get the two I wanted, anyway, couple weak schools. Life goes
on until one day, out of the box, hooked the HDTV to the 75ohm feed.
Bingo, everything and more. (Six school OTS/ATSC/8VSB channels, 3 sub-
carriers each, on tap to assign for single-button favorites). I'd
heard, but never seen it up until then. The sub-carriers I didn't
know existed. I'd want the Winegard if I weren't already pretty well
covered.


JER67 July 11th 07 01:31 PM

OTA Question
 
I want to thank everyone for their input!

Especially Alan for his direct route very descriptive email.

To answer a question asked I am in the 01701 area code (framingham).

For those in the same area as me,
(Just outside Boston, MA) I went to
"You Do It Electronics" It is what
Radio Shack should be but never will!

They recommended the Winegard SS-1000 square shooter. NON-amplified if
out doors and Amplified if I mount it in the attic.

I'm kinda torn between that model looking like a Square Satellite dish &
a conventional Antenna.

I do get a good amount of strong wind,
not sure if that would affect a normal style antenna.

~J~


JER67 July 11th 07 01:48 PM

OTA Question (more)
 
Here was the model that:
"You Do It Electronics" recommended
partly due to "wind"

Winegard --- SquareShooter®HDTV Antenna SS-1000 & SS-2000
Address:http://www.winegard.com/offair/squareshooter.htm

Anyone have any experience with either of these models?

As for my TV model is is the Mitsubishi
WD-57732 medalion model DLP (new)
with a built in HDTV decoder/tuner.
With (2) Antenna inputs so I could put a
VHF/UHF combo antenna and run separate quad shielded RG-6 leads into the
TV. One being for VHF & one for UHF
my TV has an easy switch between so I don't mind switching inputs...

Again any & all input is greatly appreciated!

~J~

01701 Framingham MA.


JXStern July 11th 07 04:14 PM

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:48:30 -0400, (JER67) wrote:

Here was the model that:
"You Do It Electronics" recommended
partly due to "wind"

Winegard --- SquareShooter®HDTV Antenna SS-1000 & SS-2000
Address:
http://www.winegard.com/offair/squareshooter.htm

Anyone have any experience with either of these models?

As for my TV model is is the Mitsubishi
WD-57732 medalion model DLP (new)
with a built in HDTV decoder/tuner.
With (2) Antenna inputs so I could put a
VHF/UHF combo antenna and run separate quad shielded RG-6 leads into the
TV. One being for VHF & one for UHF
my TV has an easy switch between so I don't mind switching inputs...

Again any & all input is greatly appreciated!

~J~

01701 Framingham MA.


You could also get some VFH/UHF splitter/combiners, combine the VHF
from one antenna and the UHF from the other.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=UVSJ
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=CC7870

Not sure what the pros and cons are of doing this with either of these
units.

J.



Alan F July 11th 07 04:36 PM

OTA Question
 
JER67 wrote:
I want to thank everyone for their input!

Especially Alan for his direct route very descriptive email.

To answer a question asked I am in the 01701 area code (framingham).

For those in the same area as me,
(Just outside Boston, MA) I went to
"You Do It Electronics" It is what
Radio Shack should be but never will!

They recommended the Winegard SS-1000 square shooter. NON-amplified if
out doors and Amplified if I mount it in the attic.

I'm kinda torn between that model looking like a Square Satellite dish &
a conventional Antenna.

I do get a good amount of strong wind,
not sure if that would affect a normal style antenna.

~J~


At your close range to the main Boston broadcast towers, the
unamplified square shooter should work inside an attic. But the Square
Shooter is a small antenna and is not that well suited to picking up
upper VHF for more distant stations. You posted elsewhere that you could
run separate VHF and UHF into the TV - absolutely no need to make it
that complicated. If you end up with separate VHF and UHF antennas, you
get a $10 to $20 VHF/UHF combiner at the antennas.

You have a LOT of digital station options. The www.antennaweb.org
digital station results for your zip code (with an antenna height of
120' under options to compensate for the over conservative settings for
digital reception at antennaweb) a

* yellow - uhf WMFP-DT 18.1 SAH LAWRENCE MA TBD 108° 10.3 18
* yellow - uhf WFXT-DT 25.1 FOX BOSTON MA 110° 10.5 31
* yellow - uhf WGBH-DT 2.1 PBS BOSTON MA 107° 9.6 19
* yellow - uhf WGBX-DT 44.1 PBS BOSTON MA 107° 9.6 43
* yellow - uhf WUTF-DT 66.1 TFA MARLBOROUGH MA 338° 5.8 23
* yellow - uhf WUNI-DT 27.1 UNI WORCESTER MA 290° 15.0 29
* yellow - uhf WLVI-DT 56.1 CW CAMBRIDGE MA 110° 10.5 41
* yellow - uhf WSBK-DT 38.1 IND BOSTON MA 107° 9.6 39
* yellow - uhf WBPX-DT 68.1 ION BOSTON MA 108° 10.3 32
* yellow - uhf WCVB-DT 5.1 ABC BOSTON MA 107° 9.6 20
* yellow - uhf WHDH-DT 7.1 NBC BOSTON MA 107° 10.6 42
* yellow - uhf WBZ-DT 4.1 CBS BOSTON MA 107° 9.6 30
* yellow - uhf WYDN-DT 47 DAY WORCESTER MA TBD 108° 10.3 47
* red - uhf WHDN-DT 26 IND BOSTON MA TBD 96° 18.9 26
* blue - uhf WWDP-DT 52.1 SAH NORWELL MA 156° 27.0 52
* blue - uhf WZMY-DT 35.1 MNT DERRY NH 18° 29.0 35
* blue - vhf WPRI-DT 12.1 CBS PROVIDENCE RI 181° 31.3 13
* violet - uhf WJAR-DT 10.1 NBC PROVIDENCE RI 182° 32.0 51
* violet - uhf WNAC-DT 64.1 FOX PROVIDENCE RI 183° 31.5 54
* violet - uhf WMUR-DT 9.1 ABC MANCHESTER NH 5° 46.8 59

Three of the minor stations are marked with TBD which means that they
are not shown in the database as being on the air yet. One digital
station in Boston, WHDH-DT NBC 7 is switching to VHF 7 in 2009; WPRI-DT
CBS 12 in Providence, RI is currently on VHF 13.

The Boston stations should be easy to get with any number of antennas.
A $25 Silver Sensor UHF antenna (Philips PHDTV1 at Circuit City) would
likely work for most of the Boston stations.

But you can probably get the WZMY-DT My Network in NH and the
Providence stations with an antenna that can get stations over a wide
spread in azimuth. On the roof is always better, but depending on the
height and design of the house, that can be a lot of work. If you have
an attic you can use, my advice is to get a Channel Master 4221 4 Bay
bowtie (see http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/cm4221.html). It works
pretty good for VHF 11 to 13 and should get WHDH-DT NBC 7 when they
switch in 2009 at only 10 miles. I get good reception with a CM 4221 in
my attic for the Washington DC analog 7 & 9 stations at 16 miles. Aim
the CM 4221 between Boston and Providence to try to get both cities.

If the CM 4221 is too big, you could get the new Channel Master 4220 2
bay bowtie and mount that outside using a satellite dish mount. See
http://www.pctinternational.com/channelmaster/0612/ for an example.

Useful site for antenna info:
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/erecting_antenna.html
Advanced resource for local station reception: www.tvfool.com.

Good luck!
Alan F



Tam/WB2TT July 11th 07 07:17 PM

OTA Question (more)
 

"JXStern" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:48:30 -0400, (JER67) wrote:

Here was the model that:
"You Do It Electronics" recommended
partly due to "wind"

Winegard --- SquareShooter®HDTV Antenna SS-1000 & SS-2000
Address:
http://www.winegard.com/offair/squareshooter.htm

Anyone have any experience with either of these models?

As for my TV model is is the Mitsubishi
WD-57732 medalion model DLP (new)
with a built in HDTV decoder/tuner.
With (2) Antenna inputs so I could put a
VHF/UHF combo antenna and run separate quad shielded RG-6 leads into the
TV. One being for VHF & one for UHF
my TV has an easy switch between so I don't mind switching inputs...

Again any & all input is greatly appreciated!

~J~

01701 Framingham MA.


You could also get some VFH/UHF splitter/combiners, combine the VHF
from one antenna and the UHF from the other.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=UVSJ
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=CC7870

Not sure what the pros and cons are of doing this with either of these
units.

J.

The pros are that the two antennas do not have to be pointed in the same
direction. Also you could have a fringe antenna mated to a local antenna.
Even for two high gain antennas, stacking them one above the other is not as
obnoxious as a huge combined antenna with a 15 + foot boom., and the two
separate antennas will work better.

Tam



NadCixelsyd July 11th 07 07:49 PM

OTA Question
 
For you, another source of antenna might be Stark Electronic in
Worcester. - http://www.starkelectronic.com/ - It's a hole-in-the-
wall, but they have good equipment at a fair price. I purchased a
Winegard 4-bay UHF antenna there and a ChannelMaster 8-bay.

If you got to http://www.hdtvprimer.com you can get a good idea of
antennae.


Wes Newell July 11th 07 08:37 PM

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:48:30 -0400, JER67 wrote:

Winegard --- SquareShooter®HDTV Antenna SS-1000 & SS-2000
Address:http://www.winegard.com/offair/squareshooter.htm

Anyone have any experience with either of these models?

I only have to look at the price to tell you I wouldn't buy one. Not when
I can get a better one for half the price. Just the shape and size will
tell you a lot. It's not going to have good vhf reception. UHF will
probably be pretty good. But if you cracked one of these open you'll
probably just find a simple double bow tie antenna. A Channel Master 4221
4 bay bow tie would more than likely work better at half the price. Now if
it's looks you're looking for....


As for my TV model is is the Mitsubishi
WD-57732 medalion model DLP (new)
with a built in HDTV decoder/tuner.
With (2) Antenna inputs so I could put a
VHF/UHF combo antenna and run separate quad shielded RG-6 leads into the
TV. One being for VHF & one for UHF
my TV has an easy switch between so I don't mind switching inputs...

When in doubt, go the traditional route.

--
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http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv
My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php
HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm


JER67 July 11th 07 09:06 PM

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First off I want to thank ALL of you for your time and assistance. I
have no problem with an good size antenna on my house, BUT the wife
that's another story. Still trying to convince her. At this point I
only need UHF... BUT from what I have read I will need VHF in 02/09 for
HDTV ch's.

To prevent an argument with the wife I "might" go with the Winegard
SS-1000 (non amplified) OR Winegard SS-2000 (amplified) They look
identical.

There are a few reasons I am considering the Amplified one.

1) My understanding is that without plugging it in it will work
passively like the SS-1000. (both are the same price $89, dont mind
spending it if it works good) I am good at electrical & don't mind
adding an outlet if need be.

2) If "the wife" wont let up about mounting it outside, I could mount it
in the attic.
My attic is about 3 ft tall up there; but there is enough room to mount
it.
With the signal loss due to my house structure & asphalt shingles I
could plug in the amplifier and not loose as much even though its in the
attic.

Am I on the right path? OR going way off in the wrong direction with
what I should do?

Your time and assistance is greatly appreciated!

~J~
Framingham, MA. 01701



Metro- West- July 11th 07 09:30 PM

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Hey ~J~ or anyone else

what do you think of

Antennacraft.net—HDX1000 HDTV antenna!
Address:http://www.antennacraft.net/

it's $69 at StarkElectronic looks kinda like the one you wrote about

Brian


Wes Newell July 11th 07 11:20 PM

OTA Question (still more)
 
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:06:37 -0400, JER67 wrote:

Your time and assistance is greatly appreciated!


And I hate to see anyone make a bad decision. Here's the ones I wouldn't
buy, but the prices are better than you quoted.

http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/ss1000.htm

http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/ss2000.htm

Here's what I would buy if I were you. At $25 it'll work better than the
SS models. It's more than twice as big and should also work well in the
attic to make your wife happy.

http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/4221.htm

You shouldn't need a pre-amp unless your cable run is going to really be
long, 100' or more, or you are going to split the signal many multiple
times. In that case get a distribution amp. It's easier to work with than
a pre-amp anyway. Just MO.

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ValveJob July 12th 07 02:50 AM

OTA Question (still more)
 
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:06:37 -0400, (JER67) wrote:

First off I want to thank ALL of you for your time and assistance. I
have no problem with an good size antenna on my house, BUT the wife
that's another story. Still trying to convince her. At this point I
only need UHF... BUT from what I have read I will need VHF in 02/09 for
HDTV ch's.

To prevent an argument with the wife I "might" go with the Winegard
SS-1000 (non amplified) OR Winegard SS-2000 (amplified) They look
identical.

There are a few reasons I am considering the Amplified one.

1) My understanding is that without plugging it in it will work
passively like the SS-1000. (both are the same price $89, dont mind
spending it if it works good) I am good at electrical & don't mind
adding an outlet if need be.

2) If "the wife" wont let up about mounting it outside, I could mount it
in the attic.
My attic is about 3 ft tall up there; but there is enough room to mount
it.
With the signal loss due to my house structure & asphalt shingles I
could plug in the amplifier and not loose as much even though its in the
attic.

Am I on the right path? OR going way off in the wrong direction with
what I should do?

Your time and assistance is greatly appreciated!

~J~
Framingham, MA. 01701


Sounds good to me.



G-squared July 12th 07 03:36 AM

OTA Question (more)
 
On Jul 11, 4:48 am, (JER67) wrote:
Here was the model that:
"You Do It Electronics" recommended
partly due to "wind"

Winegard --- SquareShooter®HDTV Antenna SS-1000 & SS-2000
Address:http://www.winegard.com/offair/squareshooter.htm

Anyone have any experience with either of these models?

As for my TV model is is the Mitsubishi
WD-57732 medalion model DLP (new)
with a built in HDTV decoder/tuner.
With (2) Antenna inputs so I could put a
VHF/UHF combo antenna and run separate quad shielded RG-6 leads

into the
TV. One being for VHF & one for UHF
my TV has an easy switch between so I don't mind switching

inputs...

Again any & all input is greatly appreciated!

~J~


Yep. I put up that antenna in Dec 2004 in 90274 35 miles from the
towers. I _do_ have line of sight to the "towers" on Mt Wilson. The
signal is split 4 ways to a Samsung STB and 3 ATI HDTV Wonders. No
amplifiers and 100 feet of RG-6 coax. For now all DTV in Los Angeles
is UHF but that will change in 2009. This antenna _might_ be
sufficient for KABC-DT when they go back to ch 7. The analog feed is
weak but not ghosting. For now it works very well and has the big plus
point of _not_ looking like an antenna.

GG


Captain Midnight July 12th 07 08:35 AM

OTA Question (still more)
 
"JER67" wrote in message
...
First off I want to thank ALL of you for your time and assistance. I
have no problem with an good size antenna on my house, BUT the wife
that's another story. Still trying to convince her. At this point I
only need UHF... BUT from what I have read I will need VHF in 02/09 for
HDTV ch's.

1) My understanding is that without plugging it in it will work
passively like the SS-1000. (both are the same price $89, dont mind
spending it if it works good) I am good at electrical & don't mind
adding an outlet if need be.

2) If "the wife" wont let up about mounting it outside, I could mount it
in the attic.
My attic is about 3 ft tall up there; but there is enough room to mount
it.
With the signal loss due to my house structure & asphalt shingles I
could plug in the amplifier and not loose as much even though its in the
attic.

Am I on the right path? OR going way off in the wrong direction with
what I should do?

Your time and assistance is greatly appreciated!

~J~
Framingham, MA. 01701



This may be a cheap option at least until you need VHF. Someone posted an
indirect link to this DIY antenna many months ago. I built the DB-4
version.All my stations are UHF here. Mine is mounted looking out a small
second story window but could have been put in the attic. Being indoors
didn't have to make anything to withstand the weather. Was able to make it
from wood, cardboard, aluminum foil and wire from 12-2 romex. No duct tape
so hope I don't lose my Possum Lodge membership :0b. I already had a 30075
ohm transformer so basically it didn't cost me anything to make. Getting 6
channels at 33 miles and another I don't watch at ~45 miles and 7 degrees
from the others. Not the answer for everyone but the price is right even if
it's only used until the cut off.. 2-3hrs build time and I'm slow. BTW, a
lot of people were making them for outdoor use but I think I'd buy a mfg
unit for mounting on a mast.

http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index...opic=9613&st=0

I have an inexpensive RS preamp on it. Won't make a difference on how many
stations you see but may help lock-on in a borderline weak signal
situation. DC power to the preamp goes through the coax so plugs into AC
near the receiver. Seriously doubt you'll need one.



Flasherly July 14th 07 03:07 AM

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On Jul 11, 1:17 pm, "Tam/WB2TT" wrote:


The pros are that the two antennas do not have to be pointed in the same
direction. Also you could have a fringe antenna mated to a local antenna.
Even for two high gain antennas, stacking them one above the other is not as
obnoxious as a huge combined antenna with a 15 + foot boom., and the two
separate antennas will work better.

Tam


What I have. A small "localized" antenna manufactured for station
geography -- ontop of a larger and generic hi-gain. The smaller being
dedicated to a particular "fringe" station. Regular 300ohm mating
between them with RJ-6 downlead for the rest.



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