PVR 9200 TB/S
 

I've just impulse bought a Humax PVR 9200 TB/S (which I collect tomorrow)
I'm now beginning to wonder if I've done the right thing, however I believe
a number of people on this newsgroup have mentioned in the past that they
have this particular model and wonder if any of them would be good enough
pass on any good or bad points they have encountered TIA.

PS it will mean certain death for me if it fails to record Coro or
Eastenders!

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

Ivan wrote:
I've just impulse bought a Humax PVR 9200 TB/S (which I collect
tomorrow) I'm now beginning to wonder if I've done the right thing,
however I believe a number of people on this newsgroup have mentioned
in the past that they have this particular model and wonder if any of
them would be good enough pass on any good or bad points they have
encountered TIA.
PS it will mean certain death for me if it fails to record Coro or
Eastenders!

The hard drive died in mine recently but it was sorted under the 2 year
warranty direct by Humax.
Other than that it's been an excellent bit of kit.
Very reliable and very easy to use
--
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk

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On 4 Jul, 14:01, "Ivan" wrote:
I've just impulse bought a Humax PVR 9200 TB/S (which I collect tomorrow)
I'm now beginning to wonder if I've done the right thing, however I believe
a number of people on this newsgroup have mentioned in the past that they
have this particular model and wonder if any of them would be good enough
pass on any good or bad points they have encountered TIA.

PS it will mean certain death for me if it fails to record Coro or
Eastenders!

The best bit of kit I have bought in a long while, better still, 'er
indoors likes it, uses it much more than me. Ok, it still has few
relatively minor software issues but Humax are better than most at
upgrading the software and even include customer's wish-lists.

You have made a fine purchase - fear not.

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

"Ivan" wrote:

I've just impulse bought a Humax PVR 9200 TB/S (which I collect tomorrow)
I'm now beginning to wonder if I've done the right thing, however I believe
a number of people on this newsgroup have mentioned in the past that they
have this particular model and wonder if any of them would be good enough
pass on any good or bad points they have encountered TIA.

PS it will mean certain death for me if it fails to record Coro or
Eastenders!

My first and only PVR is the 9200, and I love it, but then I can't
compare it to other PVRs, since all I know about them is what I've
read in this group.

As JPG said, there are minor software problems, but on the whole it's
damned good, and very easy to use.

One thing to note: occasionally, it freezes completely, maybe once
every couple of months. All I do is switch it off at the wall for a
few seconds and power back up and carry on. You don't lose any data
or programmes or anything by doing that.

Another: the remote (unless they've changed it) is a bit flimsy, but
not so bad as to be a passion-killer. And the 30-second skip feature,
which I use a lot, is grouped with the esoteric, hardly-ever-used
buttons at the bottom, under a sliding cover. Just slide the cover
completely off, put it away somewhere and forget it. Unless you like
watching ads at 32x.

In all, a lovely beast.

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"John Hatpin" wrote in message
...
"Ivan" wrote:

I've just impulse bought a Humax PVR 9200 TB/S (which I collect tomorrow)
I'm now beginning to wonder if I've done the right thing, however I
believe
a number of people on this newsgroup have mentioned in the past that they
have this particular model and wonder if any of them would be good enough
pass on any good or bad points they have encountered TIA.

PS it will mean certain death for me if it fails to record Coro or
Eastenders!

My first and only PVR is the 9200, and I love it, but then I can't
compare it to other PVRs, since all I know about them is what I've
read in this group.

As JPG said, there are minor software problems, but on the whole it's
damned good, and very easy to use.

One thing to note: occasionally, it freezes completely, maybe once
every couple of months. All I do is switch it off at the wall for a
few seconds and power back up and carry on. You don't lose any data
or programmes or anything by doing that.

Another: the remote (unless they've changed it) is a bit flimsy, but
not so bad as to be a passion-killer. And the 30-second skip feature,
which I use a lot, is grouped with the esoteric, hardly-ever-used
buttons at the bottom, under a sliding cover. Just slide the cover
completely off, put it away somewhere and forget it. Unless you like
watching ads at 32x.

In all, a lovely beast.



Thanks to everyone for the prompt and encouraging replies, at the moment
we're using a couple of fairly modern triple speed Panasonic Nicam VCRs,
which for VHS produce excellent results, and as SWMBO can appear to set the
timers up in the blink of an eye it's taken some convincing to get her to
agree to replacing them with the latest 21st century technology.

Here's hoping that if there are any problems or cock-ups with recording
failures, that they don't happen until she's grown to know and love it!

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Excellent machines. I sell and install them and use them myself.

It is good that they produce a modulated output so you can send the
output to other rooms and even use a radio-remote link to control it
from elsewhere, if you like.
Radio recording is very useful, and better than Sky Plus as it can be
done from the Guide. (You have to use manual timer setting with Sky
Plus and you can't do instant radio recording with Sky Plus either.)

I always set up the OSD menu transparency to "disable" in the
preferences munu as it makes the menus easier to read.

Great to connect it to A HiFi system if you have one, especially if
you use the music files storage facility but be aware that the sound
quality gets poorer (flatter and less dynamic) as you reduce the
volume on the box so it is better to leave the Humax vol as high as
poss and use the amp vol. The better the HiFi, the more you notice
this.


If you want to be clever with 'Enders and Corrie, set every episode in
for one entire week and then make each one a weekly event.
I know this is not quite "series link" but it works, in general, and
you dont need to keep entering the individual progs. Obviously it
doesn't make any allowances for changes of shedule but you can add any
extras if you get to hear of them.

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

It isn't perfect, but it's the best PVR you can buy.

Steve

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

....snip...
Great to connect it to A HiFi system if you have one, especially if
you use the music files storage facility but be aware that the sound
quality gets poorer (flatter and less dynamic) as you reduce the
volume on the box so it is better to leave the Humax vol as high as
poss and use the amp vol. The better the HiFi, the more you notice
this.

Does this model have a digital output to connect to an A/V processor? And
before anyone yell,s yes I know I won't get 5.1 out of Freeview ;-).

Thanks,
Paul DS.

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"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
.. .
...snip...
Great to connect it to A HiFi system if you have one, especially if
you use the music files storage facility but be aware that the sound
quality gets poorer (flatter and less dynamic) as you reduce the
volume on the box so it is better to leave the Humax vol as high as
poss and use the amp vol. The better the HiFi, the more you notice
this.

Does this model have a digital output to connect to an A/V processor? And
before anyone yell,s yes I know I won't get 5.1 out of Freeview ;-).

I don't know much about these things, but it's got an optical output
(described as "S/PDIF, Digital Audio Output, Fiber-Optic (Resolution:
20bits)").

I thought you could decode Dolby Surround from the bog standard stereo phono
sockets anyway.

--
Max Demian

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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:24:21 -0700, a particular chimpanzee, widgitt
randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

If you want to be clever with 'Enders and Corrie, set every episode in
for one entire week and then make each one a weekly event.
I know this is not quite "series link"

That's supposed to be available in the next OTA upgrade in "early
July", which in the Korean calendar comes after December.
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

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"Ivan" wrote in message
. uk...
I've just impulse bought a Humax PVR 9200 TB/S (which I collect tomorrow)
I'm now beginning to wonder if I've done the right thing, however I
believe a number of people on this newsgroup have mentioned in the past
that they have this particular model and wonder if any of them would be
good enough pass on any good or bad points they have encountered TIA.

PS it will mean certain death for me if it fails to record Coro or
Eastenders!




I got the Humax Today, checked it out and everything appeared to work
without problems, however when attempting to demonstrate the sheer
simplicity this evening to SWMBO the whole thing turned into an unmitigated
disaster.

Everything was displayed ok in the Thursday EPG, but when I went to set up
programs for Friday at 10.00 PM this evening the boxes for BBC 1 and 2 in
the menu were empty, and although the ITV programmes were displayed, for
some reason ITV 1 showed 'Wimbledon' in the Friday morning box!.

I put it into standby and then restarted the whole procedure only then to
find that the Friday BBC programmes were displayed in the menu and the ITV
ones were empty, I tried having the receiver switched to ITV on whilst I
attempted to set the EPG but unfortunately to no avail, by which time SWMBO
was getting mightily 'cheesed' off, at which point I admitted defeat and
mumbled something about re-reading the instructions when I was a bit less
tired and emotional, any clues anyone, surely Fridays EPG info should be
fully up to date and in the menu at 10.00 PM on Thursday, could it be sods
law that I have a duff receiver?.. once again TIA for any help, Ivan

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

The EPG can take a very long time to fully populate if the box has
been in standby so I tend to leave mine on. I have contacted Humax
about this and they are aware and working on faster updating, they
say.
It does tend to fill up quicker if it is on BBC 1.

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

"widgitt" wrote in message
ups.com...
The EPG can take a very long time to fully populate if the box has
been in standby so I tend to leave mine on. I have contacted Humax
about this and they are aware and working on faster updating, they
say.
It does tend to fill up quicker if it is on BBC 1.


Roughly how long does it have to be out of standby before the EPG
populates?.. as I'd rather not leave it permanently switched on if It can
avoid it... Oh yes and until I've sorted this one out I promise that I
won't mention 'the noise'!

Cheers Ivan :o(

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Length of time varies considerably but can be 5-10 mins. It seems to
have been quicker recently but that may be my imagination. I seem to
find if I switch on and go straight to playing a recording it can
still be empty 1/2 an hour later.

Noise. I have found the last 2 that I have fitted to be rather noisy,
almost to the point of sending them back. My own and all the previous
ones are quiet enough so I wonder if there has been a batch problem.
I'll keep an eye on the next few to see.

I will just go off to my emails and see if I can find Humax's reply to
my mention of EPG population.

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

I will just go off to my emails and see if I can find Humax's reply to
my mention of EPG population.

Just found it, although it doesn't say much:


"Thank you for your email
With regards to the situation concerning the EPG, our software
engineers are currently working on software that, among other things
will speed up the time it takes for the EPG to populate."

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

"widgitt" wrote in message
ups.com...

I will just go off to my emails and see if I can find Humax's reply to
my mention of EPG population.

Just found it, although it doesn't say much:


"Thank you for your email
With regards to the situation concerning the EPG, our software
engineers are currently working on software that, among other things
will speed up the time it takes for the EPG to populate."


Thanks for the info, don't know whether it's just me but I tend to find that
women have a very low threshold when it comes down to things that don't work
properly....

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"Ivan" wrote in message
k...

"widgitt" wrote in message
ups.com...

I will just go off to my emails and see if I can find Humax's reply to
my mention of EPG population.

Just found it, although it doesn't say much:


"Thank you for your email
With regards to the situation concerning the EPG, our software
engineers are currently working on software that, among other things
will speed up the time it takes for the EPG to populate."


Thanks for the info, don't know whether it's just me but I tend to find
that women have a very low threshold when it comes down to things that
don't work properly....


New software to support freeview playback group 1 functions has just been
released. This apparently populates the EPG within 5 minutes but I've not
upgraded mine to check. In the .10 software (new is .15) the EPG can take
ages to populate. Sometimes it's not populated properly at all but this is
rare. I normally switch mine on 15 minutes before wanting to set any
timers.

More new software next month to support series link amongst other bits.
This will be an over the air download in September.

Check out www.hummy.org.uk.

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

On 6 Jul, 01:18, "Ivan" wrote:
"widgitt" wrote in message

ups.com...



I will just go off to my emails and see if I can find Humax's reply to
my mention of EPG population.

Just found it, although it doesn't say much:

"Thank you for your email
With regards to the situation concerning the EPG, our software
engineers are currently working on software that, among other things
will speed up the time it takes for the EPG to populate."

Thanks for the info, don't know whether it's just me but I tend to find that
women have a very low threshold when it comes down to things that don't work
properly....

Too true. My SWMBO seems to think it is my fault if some computery
thing throws a wobbly, as they are wont to do. If Windows does some
funny thing, like put up one of those irritating update balloons, my
Mrs goes into a state of high anxiety, lambasting everyone from
Richard Branson through me to Gordon Brown, saying that if you buy
something you expect it to work flawlessly - a touch naive when it
comes to anything with software, I venture to suggest.

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

"widgitt" wrote in message
oups.com...
Excellent machines. I sell and install them and use them myself.

Great to connect it to A HiFi system if you have one, especially if
you use the music files storage facility but be aware that the sound
quality gets poorer (flatter and less dynamic) as you reduce the
volume on the box so it is better to leave the Humax vol as high as
poss and use the amp vol. The better the HiFi, the more you notice
this.

I've checked this, and I can't tell any difference, even at the extreme. Are
you sure you haven't got the 'loudness' turned on on the amp?

--
Max Demian

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On Jul 6, 12:50 am, "Ivan" wrote:
"widgitt" wrote in message

ups.com...

The EPG can take a very long time to fully populate if the box has
been in standby so I tend to leave mine on. I have contacted Humax
about this and they are aware and working on faster updating, they
say.
It does tend to fill up quicker if it is on BBC 1.

Roughly how long does it have to be out of standby before the EPG
populates?.. as I'd rather not leave it permanently switched on if It can
avoid it... Oh yes and until I've sorted this one out I promise that I
won't mention 'the noise'!

Cheers Ivan :o(

You could always use the auto switch on and switch off facility. i.e.
if you don't normally use it till the evening have it set to come on
at 5pm, by the time you get to uing it the EPG should be populated.

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

"Woby Tide" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jul 6, 12:50 am, "Ivan" wrote:
"widgitt" wrote in message

ups.com...

The EPG can take a very long time to fully populate if the box has
been in standby so I tend to leave mine on. I have contacted Humax
about this and they are aware and working on faster updating, they
say.
It does tend to fill up quicker if it is on BBC 1.

Roughly how long does it have to be out of standby before the EPG
populates?.. as I'd rather not leave it permanently switched on if It can
avoid it... Oh yes and until I've sorted this one out I promise that I
won't mention 'the noise'!

You could always use the auto switch on and switch off facility. i.e.
if you don't normally use it till the evening have it set to come on
at 5pm, by the time you get to uing it the EPG should be populated.

That's all right for a "reserving session", but it's still really really
annoying if you want to set a future programme on the fly while you remember
it.

And the EPG doesn't populate while you are watching a recording, which is
all I do as I very rarely watch live TV.

--
Max Demian

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

"Ivan" wrote in message
. uk...
I've just impulse bought a Humax PVR 9200 TB/S (which I collect tomorrow)
I'm now beginning to wonder if I've done the right thing, however I
believe a number of people on this newsgroup have mentioned in the past
that they have this particular model and wonder if any of them would be
good enough pass on any good or bad points they have encountered TIA.

PS it will mean certain death for me if it fails to record Coro or
Eastenders!






Well we've had a couple of days to evaluate it now and yesterday everything
recorded perfectly, although today the F1 failed to record, yet we are both
positive that we double checked it last evening.

A couple of minor niggles which is probably something I'm doing wrong, me
and SWMBO are both Countdown fans and at the end of part one and two they
give an anagram along with a clue, we cheat a little by pausing the letters
thereby giving us extra time to work out the more difficult ones,
unfortunately on pause the Humax places that black bar smack over the top of
the letters so we can read them!

Also trying to wind back from the adverts to the end of part one with
picture search the other evening it searched back for a few seconds and then
froze and point blankly refused to go back any further, although we haven't
experienced a similar problem on any other program.

Another question is has one got to leave it in standby when you set up the
recordings (like our old videos?) as after setting up the recordings where
it failed to record the F1 the wife continued watching other programs and
then left the receiver switched on.. Although looking at 'rec' in the
display all the other timed programs appear to be recording okay.

My verdict so far is that if it works as well as it did yesterday every day,
then like almost everyone else who owns and posts about these PVRs I think
it will turn out to be one of the best pieces of kit we've bought in a long
time.

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

"Ivan" wrote in message
k...

Well we've had a couple of days to evaluate it now and yesterday
everything recorded perfectly, although today the F1 failed to record, yet
we are both positive that we double checked it last evening.

A couple of minor niggles which is probably something I'm doing wrong, me
and SWMBO are both Countdown fans and at the end of part one and two they
give an anagram along with a clue, we cheat a little by pausing the
letters thereby giving us extra time to work out the more difficult ones,
unfortunately on pause the Humax places that black bar smack over the top
of the letters so we can read them!

Press Exit on the remote to remove the bar.

Another question is has one got to leave it in standby when you set up the
recordings (like our old videos?)

No, it makes not difference.

--
Max Demian

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

"Max Demian" wrote in message
...
"Ivan" wrote in message
k...

Well we've had a couple of days to evaluate it now and yesterday
everything recorded perfectly, although today the F1 failed to record,
yet we are both positive that we double checked it last evening.

A couple of minor niggles which is probably something I'm doing wrong, me
and SWMBO are both Countdown fans and at the end of part one and two they
give an anagram along with a clue, we cheat a little by pausing the
letters thereby giving us extra time to work out the more difficult ones,
unfortunately on pause the Humax places that black bar smack over the top
of the letters so we can read them!

Press Exit on the remote to remove the bar.

Another question is has one got to leave it in standby when you set up
the recordings (like our old videos?)

No, it makes not difference.

Thanks Max, much more straightforward answers to my questions here than
wading through the book, especially when it contains lines such as "if
you've been watching a radio channel" :O)

Apart from F1 all of today's channels recorded perfectly, although instead
of the Antiques roadshow there was an hour of Wimbledon, still I can't blame
the recorder for that as it would have been the same with an ordinary VCR.
By the way do the recordings work in a similar way to PDC, or are the start
and stop times predetermined in the actual programme information, so that if
it runs over 15 minutes then tough luck.








--
Max Demian

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"Ivan" wrote in message
. uk...

Apart from F1 all of today's channels recorded perfectly, although instead
of the Antiques roadshow there was an hour of Wimbledon, still I can't
blame the recorder for that as it would have been the same with an
ordinary VCR.
By the way do the recordings work in a similar way to PDC, or are the
start and stop times predetermined in the actual programme information, so
that if it runs over 15 minutes then tough luck.

If you have software version 1.00.15 (MenuSystemStatus), there is
something called "accurate recording" or "auto-tracking" which is supposed
to allow for early starts and overruns, but there is some doubt as to how
well it works. Alternatively, set auto-padding (MenuRecord: bottom two
items) to add a predetermined amount to the start and end - I use 1 minute
at the start and 5 at the end.

--
Max Demian

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Ivan wrote:
"Max Demian" wrote in message
...
"Ivan" wrote in message
k...

Well we've had a couple of days to evaluate it now and yesterday
everything recorded perfectly, although today the F1 failed to
record, yet we are both positive that we double checked it last
evening. A couple of minor niggles which is probably something I'm doing
wrong, me and SWMBO are both Countdown fans and at the end of part
one and two they give an anagram along with a clue, we cheat a
little by pausing the letters thereby giving us extra time to work
out the more difficult ones, unfortunately on pause the Humax
places that black bar smack over the top of the letters so we can
read them!

Press Exit on the remote to remove the bar.

Another question is has one got to leave it in standby when you set
up the recordings (like our old videos?)

No, it makes not difference.

Thanks Max, much more straightforward answers to my questions here
than wading through the book, especially when it contains lines such
as "if you've been watching a radio channel" :O)

Apart from F1 all of today's channels recorded perfectly, although
instead of the Antiques roadshow there was an hour of Wimbledon,
still I can't blame the recorder for that as it would have been the
same with an ordinary VCR. By the way do the recordings work in a
similar way to PDC, or are the start and stop times predetermined in
the actual programme information, so that if it runs over 15 minutes
then tough luck.

Antiques Roadshow wasn't shown, neither was, Coast, later in the evening.
Both programmes wiil be shown at a later date.

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

If you have software version 1.00.15 (MenuSystemStatus), there is
something called "accurate recording" or "auto-tracking" which is supposed
to allow for early starts and overruns, but there is some doubt as to how
well it works.

To be fair to Humax, I understand that their implementation works perfectly,
but it relies on the appropriate data being sent by the broadcaster - which
isn't happening reliably yet.

Steve

PVR 9200 TB/S
 

"Steve Thackery" wrote in message
...
If you have software version 1.00.15 (MenuSystemStatus), there is
something called "accurate recording" or "auto-tracking" which is
supposed to allow for early starts and overruns, but there is some doubt
as to how well it works.

To be fair to Humax, I understand that their implementation works
perfectly, but it relies on the appropriate data being sent by the
broadcaster - which isn't happening reliably yet.


Wasn't this the major problem with PDC Is some sort of flag is
electronically or do they rely on a human being to press the right buttons?

With reference to another thread I'm amazed how few (even bright) people I
know who have hardly any clue about digital HDD PVRs or what they are
actually capable of, in fact many people appear to think that the only
alternative to the VCR is a DVD recorder with a built in analogue tuner.

Steve

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"Ivan" wrote in message
k...



Wasn't this the major problem with PDC Is some sort of flag is
electronically or do they rely on a human being to press the right
buttons?


Sorry about the typos, should have read:

"Wasn't this the major problem with PDC, Is some sort of flag automatically
electronically incorporated, or do they rely on a human being to press the
right buttons?"

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On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:24:06 +0100, Adrian A said...
Ivan wrote:
Apart from F1 all of today's channels recorded perfectly, although
instead of the Antiques roadshow there was an hour of Wimbledon,
still I can't blame the recorder for that as it would have been the
same with an ordinary VCR. By the way do the recordings work in a
similar way to PDC, or are the start and stop times predetermined in
the actual programme information, so that if it runs over 15 minutes
then tough luck.

Antiques Roadshow wasn't shown, neither was, Coast, later in the evening.
Both programmes wiil be shown at a later date.

Antiques Roadshow was shown on BB2 - right time, wrong channel. I didn't
notice an announcement so I missed the beginning.

--
Mark Myers
usenet2 at mcm2002 dot f9 dot co dot uk
I call that a radical interpretation of the text.

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Mark Myers writes:

Antiques Roadshow was shown on BB2 - right time, wrong channel. I didn't
notice an announcement so I missed the beginning.

And BBC1 was showing Wimbledon which should have been on BBC2, so it
looks like the schedules for the 2 channels was swapped.

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"Ivan" wrote in message
k...

"Steve Thackery" wrote in message
...
If you have software version 1.00.15 (MenuSystemStatus), there is
something called "accurate recording" or "auto-tracking" which is
supposed to allow for early starts and overruns, but there is some doubt
as to how well it works.

To be fair to Humax, I understand that their implementation works
perfectly, but it relies on the appropriate data being sent by the
broadcaster - which isn't happening reliably yet.

Wasn't this the major problem with PDC Is some sort of flag is
electronically or do they rely on a human being to press the right
buttons?

At least with AR if the broadcaster gets it wrong, you just miss the start
or end of the programme, rather than the whole thing if PDC fails.

--
Max Demian

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"Ivan" wrote:

With reference to another thread I'm amazed how few (even bright) people I
know who have hardly any clue about digital HDD PVRs or what they are
actually capable of, in fact many people appear to think that the only
alternative to the VCR is a DVD recorder with a built in analogue tuner.

I know what you mean. I don't know anyone (in "real life", that is)
who had ever heard of a PVR before I told them. Even then, they're a
bit baffled, and seem to think it's just a kind of VCR that somehow
magically doesn't need tapes, and must be really complicated to use!

Presumably, they're not advertised on TV (heh, I don't watch adverts
anymore, so how would I know?). I wonder how many extra sales Humax -
or Topfield, or any other PVR manufacturers - would get if they did a
bit of prime-time advertising, telling people the benefits of these
devices.

I'm sure ads like that would pay for themselves.

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"John Hatpin" wrote in message
...



Presumably, they're not advertised on TV (heh, I don't watch adverts
anymore, so how would I know?).



Me and the wife are now also getting quite adept that missing out the
adverts, which got me thinking, say that PVRs totally take over from videos
within the next few years, then it's hardly going to be worth advertisers
paying huge sums for air time placing adverts that virtually no one is going
to watch.

Which means either the total demise of the commercial channels as we've
grown to know and love them, or they will have to do a lot more in the way
of sponsorship and strategic placements of merchandise in the programming.

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In article , John Hatpin
wrote:
I don't know anyone (in "real life", that is)
who had ever heard of a PVR before I told them. *Even then, they're a
bit baffled, and seem to think it's just a kind of VCR that somehow
magically doesn't need tapes, and must be really complicated to use!

Presumably, they're not advertised on TV (heh, I don't watch adverts
anymore, so how would I know?).

Now there's an interesting concept - a television advert for a machine
to remove television adverts. It would of course have to be aimed at
first-time buyers only, because nobody else would see it.

Rod.

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"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
.. .
In article , John Hatpin
wrote:
I don't know anyone (in "real life", that is)
who had ever heard of a PVR before I told them. Even then, they're a
bit baffled, and seem to think it's just a kind of VCR that somehow
magically doesn't need tapes, and must be really complicated to use!

Presumably, they're not advertised on TV (heh, I don't watch adverts
anymore, so how would I know?).

Now there's an interesting concept - a television advert for a machine
to remove television adverts. It would of course have to be aimed at
first-time buyers only, because nobody else would see it.

Actually, I think PVR or not, the majority of people will continue to watch
live TV (with the ads) most of the time.

Most people are too impatient to set up everything to record then chase
play, or press pause and start watching ten minutes later.

--
Max Demian

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Max Demian wrote:
Actually, I think PVR or not, the majority of people will continue
to watch live TV (with the ads) most of the time.

Most people are too impatient to set up everything to record then
chase play, or press pause and start watching ten minutes later.

This is an interesting point - but primarily a sociological/
psychological one, rather than a technical one, it seems to me. I
can't imagine wasting my time sitting through adverts, but I must
resist the temptation to generalise from my own experience and tastes
;-) .

Perhaps the distinction is between those who watch programmes (and who
select in advance what they want to watch, record it to watch when
convenient and don't care when it's scheduled) and those who watch
television (and just sit down, switch on and channel-hop until they
find something which looks OK).

André Coutanche

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"André Coutanche" wrote in message
...
Max Demian wrote:
Actually, I think PVR or not, the majority of people will continue
to watch live TV (with the ads) most of the time.

Most people are too impatient to set up everything to record then
chase play, or press pause and start watching ten minutes later.

This is an interesting point - but primarily a sociological/
psychological one, rather than a technical one, it seems to me. I can't
imagine wasting my time sitting through adverts, but I must resist the
temptation to generalise from my own experience and tastes ;-) .

Perhaps the distinction is between those who watch programmes (and who
select in advance what they want to watch, record it to watch when
convenient and don't care when it's scheduled) and those who watch
television (and just sit down, switch on and channel-hop until they
find something which looks OK).

There's also the matter of whether you want to use the so-called
'interactive' services - multiscreen, alternative views and superimposed
text - these all require that you watch live.

--
Max Demian

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Max Demian wrote:
There's also the matter of whether you want to use the so-called
'interactive' services - multiscreen, alternative views and
superimposed text - these all require that you watch live.

True. And it shows how much I use/value them that I totally overlooked
them in my comment ...

André Coutanche

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"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...
In , "Max Demian"
wrote:
Actually, I think PVR or not, the majority of people will continue to
watch
live TV (with the ads) most of the time.

Most people are too impatient to set up everything to record then chase
play, or press pause and start watching ten minutes later.

Impatient is a strange term to use. Are you labouring under the
assumption that all PVRs are equal? Perhaps you've used one that was
hassle to set up recordings, or it needed constant baby-sitting every
week to check all the planned recordings. If you need to sit down armed
with a paper guide of any kind, and "check the list" every week then
that PVR surely can't be a proper PVR!

Well I'm not "most people" as you might imagine.

Some people like to be spontaneous in their viewing, rather than organised.

Some like to sit down and zap through the channels, pausing on something
that looks interesting.

They might like to arrange to sit down to view a particular programme, as
they might arrange to go to the cinema.

They might only want to record something special, that is on while they are
out, or that they want to keep for repeated viewing.

These people might be in the majority.

--
Max Demian