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In message ,
buddenbrooks Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

"Roderick Stewart" wrote in
message .. .
Not to mention the fact that it would take some hacker about five
minutes to subvert it, just like anti-copying schemes on recordings,
region coding of DVDs and so on.



No one has hacked SKYs digital encryption system.
No one has hacked the mobile phone network system. Spoofed individual
phones but not the system.
There are many hack proof systems in place.
In any case a car caught speeding would draw attention to the fact
that the system had been illegally tampered with.

But the simplest case of hacking would be of an individual unit.
It might be difficult to hack, as the software (or whatever) would probably
be an integral part of the cars computer systems, but 'hack proof'? Well,
they've said that about a lot of systems, and it's been a matter of months
before it happens.
As far as a 'system' What are we talking about here? Individual cars that
know where you are and what the speed limit is, and attempt to prevent you
driving too fast, or a national system that tracks every car, and
automatically issues speeding fines!!
I'll admit that hacking a national 'speeding database' could be very
difficult, but I'd never say that it couldn't be done...

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In article , Buddenbrooks wrote:
"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message*
.. .
* Not to mention the fact that it would take some hacker about five
minutes
to subvert it, just like anti-copying schemes on recordings, region
coding of DVDs and so on.


**No one has hacked SKYs digital encryption system.
*No one has hacked the mobile phone network system. Spoofed individual*
phones but not the system.
There are many hack proof systems in place.

There are many systems that haven't been hacked YET.

It's also possible that some of these allegedly unhackable systems
actually have been hacked, but the people who have done it are not the
stereotypical attention-seeking adolescents to which this sort of activity
is usually attributed, but have simply kept quiet about it.

In any case a car caught speeding would draw attention to the fact that
the system had been illegally tampered with.*

You'd think so, but I see plenty of cars behaving in an attention-grabbing
way every day and nothing seems to stop them.

Rod.

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"ChrisM" wrote in message
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In message ,
buddenbrooks Proclaimed from the tallest tower:
, but 'hack proof'? Well,
they've said that about a lot of systems, and it's been a matter of months
before it happens.

It could be hacked, but being caught in a radar trap would get you a fine
for both speeding and modifying the unit so as to permit a crime. The agency
that hacked the computer could also be liable to conspiricy charges and if
the car killed someone, manslaughter.

As far as a 'system' What are we talking about here? Individual cars that
know where you are and what the speed limit is, and attempt to prevent you
driving too fast,
Indeed, if you are in a 30 mile limit then that is the maximum the car
will do. I know people object saying they then cannot 'accelerate out of
trouble', but there is always that problem, you have a maximum speed and if
you are near it you can not use acceleration to get out of trouble. Perhaps
allow over speed but a running fine, say a voice saying 1 pound 2 pound 3
pound ...
so you can speed for safety but it will cost you.

or a national system that tracks every car, and
automatically issues speeding fines!!
No , safer to stop speeding rather than raise revenue from it.

I'll admit that hacking a national 'speeding database' could be very
difficult, but I'd never say that it couldn't be done...


Indeed , but it would have to be un-hacked for MOTs and never get caught
in a speed trap.

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"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
.. .
You'd think so, but I see plenty of cars behaving in an
attention-grabbing
way every day and nothing seems to stop them.

Indeed, that is because there are plenty of such cars and few police.
Change the rules so the Police Officer is allowed to keep any car he stops
speeding with a hacked EMU ...

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In article , Buddenbrooks wrote:
"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message*
.. .
* You'd think so, but I see plenty of cars behaving in an*
attention-grabbing
way every day and nothing seems to stop them.

**Indeed, that is because there are plenty of such cars and few police.
Change the rules so the Police Officer is allowed to keep any car he
stops*
speeding with a hacked *EMU ...*

It wouldn't work. There's already a death sentence for dangerous driving
and it doesn't stop people.

I've heard it suggested that some sort of psychological profiling should
be applied as part of the driving test to see if applicants have a
suitably mature attitude towards other people to be allowed to drive in
the first place, and while there would be a lot of problems putting this
into practice, the fundamental principle behind it is the most sensible
idea I've heard yet. This would be a genuine attempt to solve the problem
itself instead of battling away forever at its symptoms, and never
winning, while many more people continue to die. I'm certain that the vast
majority of accidents on the roads are caused not incompetence but the
fact that a lot of drivers are simply arseholes and don't care.

Rod.