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OTA demos in stores

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:33:18 -0700 Richard C. wrote:
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| On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:08:40 -0700 Richard C. wrote:
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| | Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up an
| | antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
| | digital and high definition TV really works?
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| | All I have seen is canned Sat in stores - badly adjusted at that.
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| | If I had a store, I would sure feed an antenna signal to sets
| | to show people what they can get for FREE!
| | I bet they would sell a lot more sets.
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| But then you wouldn't get all those kickbacks for steering customers to
| cable and satellite services.
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| Are you telling me that the kickback is greater than the profit on a set?

Given the downward drive on prices due to a very competitive market ...
.... yeah!

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On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:14:06 -0700, "Richard C."
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Magnolia will match the price IF it is the same model.

Hey, and why not, I can buy it cheap at Best Buy with a Magnolia room,
so why shouldn't the Magnolia store down the street, offer the same
price?

Actually, I went into a Fry's (California chain of funky electronics
and consumer items) over the weekend, and they seem to offer
"in-store" prices that are better than advertised. Hmm, nope, it's on
their web site now, how do you like this:

http://shop2.outpost.com/product/523...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Think Magnolia would match that?

J.

OTA demos in stores

"JXStern" wrote in message
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Actually, I went into a Fry's (California chain of funky electronics
and consumer items) over the weekend, and they seem to offer
"in-store" prices that are better than advertised. Hmm, nope, it's on
their web site now, how do you like this:

http://shop2.outpost.com/product/523...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Think Magnolia would match that?

J.

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Since there is no price mentioned, no.

OTA demos in stores

"Richard C." wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:08:40 -0700 Richard C.
wrote:
| wrote in message
| ...
| Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up
an
| antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
| digital and high definition TV really works?
|
| ==========================
| All I have seen is canned Sat in stores - badly adjusted at that.
|
| If I had a store, I would sure feed an antenna signal to sets
| to show people what they can get for FREE!
| I bet they would sell a lot more sets.

Sorry coming late to this. There is an HDTV store in Morton Grove, IL that
feeds OTA to their sets. Ben's TV.

OTA demos in stores

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:59:22 -0500 mrsgator88 wrote:
| "Richard C." wrote in message
| . ..
| wrote in message
| ...
| On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:08:40 -0700 Richard C.
| wrote:
| | wrote in message
| | ...
| | Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up
| an
| | antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
| | digital and high definition TV really works?
| |
| | ==========================
| | All I have seen is canned Sat in stores - badly adjusted at that.
| |
| | If I had a store, I would sure feed an antenna signal to sets
| | to show people what they can get for FREE!
| | I bet they would sell a lot more sets.
|
| Sorry coming late to this. There is an HDTV store in Morton Grove, IL that
| feeds OTA to their sets. Ben's TV.

Good to hear. At least _some_ shoppers wil be able to see how well the
various TVs behave (e.g. how well the controls are programmed, such as
flexibility in menus, channel management, etc) and perform (assuming each
set gets an equal signal, does one do better than another on marginal
signals). If a TV losses the signal for a while, does it drop to black
or blue after some amount of time frozen on the old picture? Does it
get any compression blocks placed in the wrong location for a frame or
two (yes, I have seen that happen ... though it was an STB that did it).

Another issue with all this is the ability to see how a TV behaves and
performs with varying TV formats fed to it. If the store always feeds
1080i to each set, then you can't see how well a set even looks in 720p.
Ideally, we should have a way to feed each set with each of the major TV
formats. I would list those as 1080i30/60, 1080p30, 1080p24, 720p60,
720p30, 720p24, 480i30/60, 480p60, 480p30, 480p24. When considering all
the possible TV sources, OTA, FTA, commercial satellite, cable, HD/BR-DVD,
SD-DVD, and computer geenrated sources, it likely will include all of the
ones I listed and more. I'd also like to see which sets _can_ handle the
international formats as well (another long list because DVB supports some
varying numbers of horizontal pixel counts for each number of lines).

IMHO, if a set _can_ scale any of the ATSC formats to its native format,
or a range of native formats in the case of CRT, then it should be able
to deal with 25 or 50 fps, as well as stretched/squished horizontal pixels
(a few ATSC formats do have 704x480).

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