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As a result of the threatened imminent innundation of my daughter's village
I was in their village pub last night. Everyone was very interested in the
local news of course. There were two TV sets in the bar, one a 22" crt set
of great antiquity and the other a newish IDTV LG plasma. The crt set had a
terrible convergence fault and was displaying BBC1 analogue with correct
aspect ratio but with huge coloured fringes. The sound boomed out. The
plasma, which was all that most people could see, was displaying BBC1 from
satellite. The picture was PAL via RF. It appeared that the satellite
receiver was set to 4:3 and the screen was set to 16:9. The sound from the
plasma set was audible but much less so than that from the crt set. The time
lag seemed enormous, and it was really odd having both sets on at once.
After the news the publican flicked through the channels on the plasma,
eventually finding some old rubbish on ITV3 (via DTT). He then turned the
sound up so that it competed with the BBC1 sound still coming from the crt
set. Eventually the barmaid put the crt set onto ITV and turned the sound up
even more. And so things remained until we left.

Bill

aspect ratio chaos and other problems
 

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:12:54 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:

As a result of the threatened imminent innundation of my daughter's village
I was in their village pub last night. Everyone was very interested in the
local news of course. There were two TV sets in the bar, one a 22" crt set
of great antiquity and the other a newish IDTV LG plasma. The crt set had a
terrible convergence fault and was displaying BBC1 analogue with correct
aspect ratio but with huge coloured fringes. The sound boomed out. The
plasma, which was all that most people could see, was displaying BBC1 from
satellite. The picture was PAL via RF. It appeared that the satellite
receiver was set to 4:3 and the screen was set to 16:9. The sound from the
plasma set was audible but much less so than that from the crt set. The time
lag seemed enormous, and it was really odd having both sets on at once.
After the news the publican flicked through the channels on the plasma,
eventually finding some old rubbish on ITV3 (via DTT). He then turned the
sound up so that it competed with the BBC1 sound still coming from the crt
set. Eventually the barmaid put the crt set onto ITV and turned the sound up
even more. And so things remained until we left.

And you didn't leap to your feet, cape streaming behind you?

Charlie
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
As a result of the threatened imminent innundation of my daughter's
village I was in their village pub last night. Everyone was very
interested in the local news of course. There were two TV sets in the bar,
one a 22" crt set of great antiquity and the other a newish IDTV LG
plasma. The crt set had a terrible convergence fault and was displaying
BBC1 analogue with correct aspect ratio but with huge coloured fringes.
The sound boomed out. The plasma, which was all that most people could
see, was displaying BBC1 from satellite. The picture was PAL via RF. It
appeared that the satellite receiver was set to 4:3 and the screen was set
to 16:9. The sound from the plasma set was audible but much less so than
that from the crt set. The time lag seemed enormous, and it was really odd
having both sets on at once. After the news the publican flicked through
the channels on the plasma, eventually finding some old rubbish on ITV3
(via DTT). He then turned the sound up so that it competed with the BBC1
sound still coming from the crt set. Eventually the barmaid put the crt
set onto ITV and turned the sound up even more. And so things remained
until we left.

Bill


DTS and DTT both lag noticeably from VHF.

Aspect ratio issues are user error, poor cable, or a cheap set that wasn't
switching properly.

Interestingly one the cleverest sets I have seen was actually some el cheapo
Korean set with a unheard of [and forgettable] name. In "auto" this rather
cleverly worked out the aspect ratio from the black banding, so when a 16:9
picture appeared letterboxed within an ?MTV? 4:3 side barred image , it
would zoom the picture up to fill the screen, albeit with rather poor
resolution.

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"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
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Interestingly one the cleverest sets I have seen was actually some el
cheapo Korean set with a unheard of [and forgettable] name. In "auto"
this rather cleverly worked out the aspect ratio from the black banding,
so when a 16:9 picture appeared letterboxed within an ?MTV? 4:3 side
barred image , it would zoom the picture up to fill the screen, albeit
with rather poor resolution.



my loewe aconda does that - and pretty clever about it too - and with a line
doubler built in it really didnt look too bad,
my lcd that replaced it doesnt do such a thing however -which is a shame.


--
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

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"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
As a result of the threatened imminent innundation of my daughter's
village I was in their village pub last night. Everyone was very
interested in the local news of course. There were two TV sets in the
bar, one a 22" crt set of great antiquity and the other a newish IDTV LG
plasma. The crt set had a terrible convergence fault and was displaying
BBC1 analogue with correct aspect ratio but with huge coloured fringes.
The sound boomed out. The plasma, which was all that most people could
see, was displaying BBC1 from satellite. The picture was PAL via RF. It
appeared that the satellite receiver was set to 4:3 and the screen was
set to 16:9. The sound from the plasma set was audible but much less so
than that from the crt set. The time lag seemed enormous, and it was
really odd having both sets on at once. After the news the publican
flicked through the channels on the plasma, eventually finding some old
rubbish on ITV3 (via DTT). He then turned the sound up so that it
competed with the BBC1 sound still coming from the crt set. Eventually
the barmaid put the crt set onto ITV and turned the sound up even more.
And so things remained until we left.

Bill


DTS and DTT both lag noticeably from VHF.

Aspect ratio issues are user error, poor cable, or a cheap set that wasn't
switching properly.


I am sure that Bill will be grateful for your technical explanation. And
they are still transmitting on VHF in Yorkshire?
--


JohnT

aspect ratio chaos and other problems
 

DTS and DTT both lag noticeably from VHF.

Aspect ratio issues are user error, poor cable, or a cheap set that
wasn't switching properly.


I am sure that Bill will be grateful for your technical explanation. And
they are still transmitting on VHF in Yorkshire?
--


JohnT

Perhaps he is comparing the relative latency of radio programs on FM
and DTT. Not sure where DTS fits in.

--

Graham.
%Profound_observation%

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Bill Wright wrote:
As a result of the threatened imminent innundation of my daughter's village
I was in their village pub last night. Everyone was very interested in the
local news of course. There were two TV sets in the bar, one a 22" crt set
of great antiquity and the other a newish IDTV LG plasma. The crt set had a
terrible convergence fault and was displaying BBC1 analogue with correct
aspect ratio but with huge coloured fringes. The sound boomed out. The
plasma, which was all that most people could see, was displaying BBC1 from
satellite. The picture was PAL via RF. It appeared that the satellite
receiver was set to 4:3 and the screen was set to 16:9. The sound from the
plasma set was audible but much less so than that from the crt set. The time
lag seemed enormous, and it was really odd having both sets on at once.
After the news the publican flicked through the channels on the plasma,
eventually finding some old rubbish on ITV3 (via DTT). He then turned the
sound up so that it competed with the BBC1 sound still coming from the crt
set. Eventually the barmaid put the crt set onto ITV and turned the sound up
even more. And so things remained until we left.

Bill


As a result of minor hunger pangs, I've just had a bacon butty. No one
else in the house was interested in one. There were two rashers left in
the fridge, one a 4" piece of decent freshness and the other just a bit
shorter. The microwave had a terrible splodge of pizza on the back wall
and the magnetron boomed out. The bread was Tesco's plain white and was
bought on the way home. It appears the bread is pretty much square
(aspect ratio close to 1:1) even though the plate was round. The sound
from the microwave beeper was soon audible, but less so that the whistle
from the kettle. The time lag from wanting the butty to eating it was
about 4 mins. After eating the butty, I flicked through a copy of
Culture from last week's Sunday Times, eventually finding some rubbish
about a play that just been on ITV. Eventually, I put on BBC News 24 and
so things remained until I had seen the latest news.

Nope, sorry, can't make the original post interesting!

Cheers Bill.

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"JohnT" wrote in message
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"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
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DTS and DTT both lag noticeably from VHF.

Aspect ratio issues are user error, poor cable, or a cheap set that
wasn't switching properly.


I am sure that Bill will be grateful for your technical explanation.

I was, I was.


Andthey are still transmitting on VHF in Yorkshire?
Must be if he says so.

Bill

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Linker3000 wrote:
Nope, sorry, can't make the original post interesting!

It isn't supposed to be interesting in and of itself. It is entertaining
because it is an anecdote which resonates with a reader that has a
modicum of TV sense and a familiarity with those that don't.

ESB

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....snip...

Many have been disparaging about JD Weatherspoon pubs, and I've not been in
one for years so I won't argue. But when they first started out, one of
their great benefits was a "no music" policy. There was no jukebox etc and
you could actually hear the rubbish that your drinking companions were
spouting. Fortunately, at the time, the beer was of sufficient quality that
they forgot the rubbish that I said too.

Paul DS.

aspect ratio chaos and other problems
 

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"JohnT" wrote in message
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"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
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DTS and DTT both lag noticeably from VHF.

Aspect ratio issues are user error, poor cable, or a cheap set that
wasn't switching properly.


I am sure that Bill will be grateful for your technical explanation.

I was, I was.

Ah but the technical explanation is: -

DTT - all the processing, packetising and Mux assembly mean that there is
significant delay at both ends.

Satellite - to which you can add 44,000 mile (70Mm) round trip to a
satellite or about a further 0.25S



Andthey are still transmitting on VHF in Yorkshire?
Must be if he says so.

They are still working in £sd in some parts of Yorkshire.

You don't have to travel far into Yorkshire to discover how stubborn Tykes
can be - as soon as you cross the border on the M62, there is a farm in the
central reservation. Back when the motorway was built he allegedly
eventually demanded so much money for his ransom strip that it was cheaper
to divert far enough round him on each side (~100m) so that he could not
delay it because it affected his residence. This is not quite the way he
told the story to the Radio Times recently, but he IS still there ~35 years
later.


Bill

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In article , R. Mark Clayton
writes

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

"JohnT" wrote in message
...
"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
...
DTS and DTT both lag noticeably from VHF.

Aspect ratio issues are user error, poor cable, or a cheap set that
wasn't switching properly.


I am sure that Bill will be grateful for your technical explanation.

I was, I was.

Ah but the technical explanation is: -

DTT - all the processing, packetising and Mux assembly mean that there is
significant delay at both ends.

Satellite - to which you can add 44,000 mile (70Mm) round trip to a
satellite or about a further 0.25S



Andthey are still transmitting on VHF in Yorkshire?
Must be if he says so.

They are still working in £sd in some parts of Yorkshire.

You don't have to travel far into Yorkshire to discover how stubborn Tykes
can be - as soon as you cross the border on the M62, there is a farm in the
central reservation. Back when the motorway was built he allegedly
eventually demanded so much money for his ransom strip

He must have been bought up in the Fens!, there farmers start that
activity before their born, their mutters have a charge for them being
delivered across their "strip"..


Yes very poor taste I know but its true I tells yer!...




--
Tony Sayer

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"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
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They are still working in £sd in some parts of Yorkshire.

Groats, actually. Although I have been paid in turnips before now.

Bill

aspect ratio chaos and other problems
 

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
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They are still working in £sd in some parts of Yorkshire.

Groats, actually. Although I have been paid in turnips before now.


If you do a job for me here on Tyneside would you accept payment in stotty
cakes, or would you insist on Newcastle Broon?
--


JohnT

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"JohnT" wrote in message
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
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They are still working in £sd in some parts of Yorkshire.

Groats, actually. Although I have been paid in turnips before now.


If you do a job for me here on Tyneside would you accept payment in stotty
cakes, or would you insist on Newcastle Broon?

As a real ale man I deplore Newcastle Brown. It is a singularly
unsophisticated beverage. I drunk it to excess in my ignorant youth, and
there is a story involving ten pints of it, an outside toilet, a marble
counter, a near death experience and Sergeant Pepper. One night when I'm
less tired and more drunk I'll tell it to you.

Bill

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On 27/06/2007 10:43, R. Mark Clayton wrote:

You don't have to travel far into Yorkshire to discover how stubborn Tykes
can be - as soon as you cross the border on the M62, there is a farm in the
central reservation. Back when the motorway was built he allegedly
eventually demanded so much money for his ransom strip that it was cheaper
to divert far enough round him on each side (~100m) so that he could not
delay it because it affected his residence.

Alternatively, from http://www.iht.org/motorway/m62bounpole.htm

"The moorland stretch of the M62 was built on geologically creeping side
long ground and each embankment had to be anchored and benched into the
underlying sandstone base. This called for separation of the
carriageways over three-quarters of a mile which fortuitously enabled
Wildes farm and buildings to be retained together with several acres of
rough grazing."

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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 01:15:40 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:


"JohnT" wrote in message
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
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They are still working in £sd in some parts of Yorkshire.

Groats, actually. Although I have been paid in turnips before now.


If you do a job for me here on Tyneside would you accept payment in stotty
cakes, or would you insist on Newcastle Broon?

As a real ale man I deplore Newcastle Brown. It is a singularly
unsophisticated beverage. I drunk it to excess in my ignorant youth, and
there is a story involving ten pints of it, an outside toilet, a marble
counter, a near death experience and Sergeant Pepper. One night when I'm
less tired and more drunk I'll tell it to you.

Bill

Can't wait :-)

On my keyring, I've got lttle Watney's Red Barrel. And in France a
couple of years ago, I found a drink's warehouse selling Double
Diamond!


Marky P.