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Linker3000 June 16th 07 10:28 PM

TalkSport (Freeview 723) audio level
 
How does TalkSport get away with having an audio level that seems to be
about double everyone else's?

Ivan June 17th 07 11:54 AM

TalkSport (Freeview 723) audio level
 

"Linker3000" wrote in message
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How does TalkSport get away with having an audio level that seems to be
about double everyone else's?


But by the same token is it my imagination or does radio five live apear to
suffer from lower than normal output on all of their platforms?


Dom Robinson June 17th 07 12:40 PM

TalkSport (Freeview 723) audio level
 
In article , [email protected]
mailnohyphen.com says...
How does TalkSport get away with having an audio level that seems to be
about double everyone else's?

Dunno, but I wish they'd stop banging on about those ****ing 'lowest unique
bid' text things. They must spend a good five minutes on them every time they
get mentioned.
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Dave Plowman (News) June 17th 07 05:17 PM

TalkSport (Freeview 723) audio level
 
In article ,
Linker3000 wrote:
How does TalkSport get away with having an audio level that seems to be
about double everyone else's?


You're not wrong. ;-) Having had a look in the workshop off Freeview it's
actually peaking 6dB higher than R1 which I'd guess is the loudest BBC
one. R5 Sport is lower at some 8dB less than TalkSport. I've not listened
to it before, but it's also distorting on peaks, and the balance between
studio guest levels poor. Perhaps they've dispensed with any human
involvement in setting levels, or leave it to the 'talent'. I've heard
some of those 'hostage' home videos sounding just as good. ;-)

I can perhaps understand them hammering the levels for car listening etc,
but on FreeView?

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Linker3000 June 17th 07 11:57 PM

TalkSport (Freeview 723) audio level
 
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Linker3000 wrote:
How does TalkSport get away with having an audio level that seems to be
about double everyone else's?


You're not wrong. ;-) Having had a look in the workshop off Freeview it's
actually peaking 6dB higher than R1 which I'd guess is the loudest BBC
one. R5 Sport is lower at some 8dB less than TalkSport. I've not listened
to it before, but it's also distorting on peaks, and the balance between
studio guest levels poor. Perhaps they've dispensed with any human
involvement in setting levels, or leave it to the 'talent'. I've heard
some of those 'hostage' home videos sounding just as good. ;-)

I can perhaps understand them hammering the levels for car listening etc,
but on FreeView?


Thanks Dave - that's interesting.

Not that I want to make a crusade out of this, but I seem to recall
there are regs/guidelinea about differences in sound levels between
regular programmes and adverts, but do you (or anyone else) know if
there any relevant regs about general broadcast levels that TalkSport
may be 'stretching'?

Since I feed the DTR box straight into my audio amp, it's very
noticeable that TalkSport are way louder than most other channels and If
I do feel like a little dumbing down with James Whale I always have to
turn the amp down PDQ otherwise I get complaints from the missus.


Dave Plowman (News) June 18th 07 02:17 AM

TalkSport (Freeview 723) audio level
 
In article ,
Linker3000 wrote:
Since I feed the DTR box straight into my audio amp, it's very
noticeable that TalkSport are way louder than most other channels and If
I do feel like a little dumbing down with James Whale I always have to
turn the amp down PDQ otherwise I get complaints from the missus.


I can sort of give you some background. On AM and FM most broadcasters
will peak to the maximum possible at some time. Heavily compressed pop
stations or commercial talk radio maybe all the time.

On digital, things were different. The history of pro digital recording
etc allowed 10 dB 'headroom' above the normal maximum for possible
mistakes without gross distortion. And this was carried over to FreeView
for TV sound and still is to this moment. When radio arrived on it they
did the same - but now some are peaking to 0 dBFS, led by the commercial
stations. So with a system capable of a far wider dynamic range than FM
and no earthly reason to peak to maximum they still want to.

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