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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote:

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following:

toshiba HD 2 player is available now at Costco, and I assume
everywhere soon, for $250.

That player is 1080i, not 1080p.

excuse me,,but did I post something about it bieng 1080p,,??

my post was regarding the priice drop.

and do you own a TV that even can use native 1080p..?

Better question - could you see the difference?

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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote:

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From doing lots of reading, 1080p is just so much marketing and not much
else.

Who would be so stupid as to rely on "lots of reading" to make a judgment
regarding PICTURE QUALITY?

Apparently, you.

Fred

Have your Dr up your Lithium.

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"BDK" wrote in message
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At a certain point, the price will drop to about the same as HDDVD, and
that will be the turning point. The resources of the BR companies is
many times that of HDDVD. It won't be a whole lot longer, I bet the
reason it's taken this long is teething issues at the factories.
Everything electronic has a "tipping point", price wise. LCD TV's are
part this point now, getting cheaper and better all the time.

HD-DVD can be pressed on existing DVD equipment.

It's just as easy to use an HD-DVD master as it is to use a regular DVD
master.


Blu-Ray production requires all new equipment from Sony.

Even if Sony made that equipment as fast as they could and gave it away for
free, it would still take *years* to ramp up the same production capacity as
HD-DVD.


And that's before we even touch on the market outside the US. Here, $28 vs
$30 means nothing but in India or mainland China $2 vs $4 is a huge
difference for consumers so even if the players were both free you still
wouldn't be able to sell Blu-Ray there. And since most of our stuff is made
over there, that will have some influence on what gets mass produced. When
they can bid on a contract to press HD-DVD on their existing factory line
that already runs smooth OR they can buy all new equipment that requires new
training and has had quality control problems and a couple of big recalls
already which do you think they will bid on?


X

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=(8) wrote:

I see more ads for movies coming on Blue-Ray than HD-DVD so right now I
am leaning that direction. However, for me it is still far too soon to
make the move to any HD DVD format. Part of me suspects that neither is
going to win and they will evently have to come together. The
PlayStation 3 is not selling well, the price is just too high even when
you figure what you are getting and what it would cost to buy each peice
seperatly. But, that isn't something many seem to consider.

Personally, I don't feel that either format is what is needed. They feel
like stop gap measures especially when you look at the computer side of
it. I know a great number of people that have more than are nearly 1
TeraByte of computer storage space. I have almost 2 myself. What I hear
most often is that 50GB is nothing and I think they are right it is
nothing. If a format could survive without the computer end of it then
HD DVD and Blue-Ray might make it, but they can't and even the PS3 can't
give them that.

Basically it is still too iffy to go with either one. Time will tell if
one is the next consumer format or if they are both the equivilent of
Circuit City's Divx format or Sony's Betamax.

=(8)


some pretty good points. :)

i see that my local Costco is offering an
instant $100 rebate on the Toshiba HD-D2 player;
which makes the current price $249.99

if the current HD disks had gone the extra step
of encoding DTS-HD sound, i'd buy now, but afaik
none of them has done DTS-HD sound, which includes
the blu-ray players

fwiw, every single DVD movie that i own that has
both DTS5.1 and DD5.1, the DTS5.1 sounds better

on a side note: just how much better is the
DD HD sound in comparison to DVD-video DTS5.1?

all ears. :)

bill

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JimC wrote:



Smarty wrote:

Jim,

just my 2 cents.....

I bought my Toshiba about 9 months ago for 50 bucks more. Toshiba has
since brought out a newer, cheaper model which is the one you see for
$299.

The phenomena is just the normal pattern in marketing high tech
consumer products....the first ones for early adopters skim the
market, followed by newer, cheaper, and often better updated
versions. HD-DVD is working aggressively to leave BluRay in the dust
(in my opinion) and is using pricing as a powerful tool to encourage
sales and gain market share. BluRay / Sony does, after all, offer a
Playstation 3 with BluRay playback for $600 which includes a powerful
game console, so Toshiba is responding with an even cheaper alternative.

Smarty



Thanks. Apparently you are pleased with your Toshiba purchased 9
months ago. How about the software selections? I'm still waiting to
see how the HD- BR competition falls out and still looking for HDMI
1.3 audio, but if prices keep falling, it wouldn't cost a lot to get
one of each.

Yea I'm also waiting for HDMI 1.3 and the new Hi Def Audio Codecs from
DTS and Dolby.
Plus for receivers to adopt the 1.3 & Hi Def Codecs. FWIW I'm a little
partial to BluRay.


Jim








"JimC" wrote in message
t...

I'm seeing ads for Toshiba Hi-Def DVD players selling for $299. -
Does this signify a general softening of the HD-DVD market in
general, or just a local phenomena? If so, what's the cheapest BR
these days? Or am I misinterpreting the ads.

Jim





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Lloyd Parsons wrote:

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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote:



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toshiba HD 2 player is available now at Costco, and I assume
everywhere soon, for $250.


That player is 1080i, not 1080p.



From doing lots of reading, 1080p is just so much marketing and not much
else. Every review I've seen says that onscreen differences are so
slight that they are unnoticeable.



This is generally said by those who already are maxxed out at 1080i by
their equipment purchase.
In this day and age I wouldn't think about buying anything without 1080p
capability. Just my opinion though.

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In article ,
Ric Seyler wrote:

Lloyd Parsons wrote:

In article ,
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote:



In message , sprach forth the
following:



toshiba HD 2 player is available now at Costco, and I assume
everywhere soon, for $250.


That player is 1080i, not 1080p.



From doing lots of reading, 1080p is just so much marketing and not much
else. Every review I've seen says that onscreen differences are so
slight that they are unnoticeable.



This is generally said by those who already are maxxed out at 1080i by
their equipment purchase.
In this day and age I wouldn't think about buying anything without 1080p
capability. Just my opinion though.

Well, since my 61" JVC is still pretty new, I'll wait a bit... ;-)

And I don't disagree with you, I would want a new big screen to be 1080p
but not necessarily because 1080p looks better, but it would be an
indication that I was buying the best quality in the product lineup.

I've seen 1080p and have 1080i and I can't see a difference. I will
admit that I didn't see them side by side.

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In article ,
Ric Seyler wrote:

JimC wrote:



Smarty wrote:

Jim,

just my 2 cents.....

I bought my Toshiba about 9 months ago for 50 bucks more. Toshiba has
since brought out a newer, cheaper model which is the one you see for
$299.

The phenomena is just the normal pattern in marketing high tech
consumer products....the first ones for early adopters skim the
market, followed by newer, cheaper, and often better updated
versions. HD-DVD is working aggressively to leave BluRay in the dust
(in my opinion) and is using pricing as a powerful tool to encourage
sales and gain market share. BluRay / Sony does, after all, offer a
Playstation 3 with BluRay playback for $600 which includes a powerful
game console, so Toshiba is responding with an even cheaper alternative.

Smarty



Thanks. Apparently you are pleased with your Toshiba purchased 9
months ago. How about the software selections? I'm still waiting to
see how the HD- BR competition falls out and still looking for HDMI
1.3 audio, but if prices keep falling, it wouldn't cost a lot to get
one of each.

Yea I'm also waiting for HDMI 1.3 and the new Hi Def Audio Codecs from
DTS and Dolby.
Plus for receivers to adopt the 1.3 & Hi Def Codecs. FWIW I'm a little
partial to BluRay.

Here's a link to a discussion of HDMI 1.3 that you and others might find
interesting:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=789994

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Lloyd Parsons wrote:

In article ,
Ric Seyler wrote:



Lloyd Parsons wrote:



In article ,
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote:





In message , sprach forth the
following:





toshiba HD 2 player is available now at Costco, and I assume
everywhere soon, for $250.




That player is 1080i, not 1080p.




From doing lots of reading, 1080p is just so much marketing and not much


else. Every review I've seen says that onscreen differences are so
slight that they are unnoticeable.





This is generally said by those who already are maxxed out at 1080i by
their equipment purchase.
In this day and age I wouldn't think about buying anything without 1080p
capability. Just my opinion though.



Well, since my 61" JVC is still pretty new, I'll wait a bit... ;-)


Now let me say that I wouldn't go out and buy a 1080p display if I
already owned a recent
1080i display. That is a little much. :-)

And I don't disagree with you, I would want a new big screen to be 1080p
but not necessarily because 1080p looks better, but it would be an
indication that I was buying the best quality in the product lineup.

I've seen 1080p and have 1080i and I can't see a difference. I will
admit that I didn't see them side by side.



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"Matthew L. Martin" wrote:

=(8) wrote:
I see more ads for movies coming on Blue-Ray than HD-DVD so right now I
am leaning that direction.

Ads are one thing, shipping product is another. BR leads HD 306 to 281
according to www.dvdpricesearch.com. Not enough difference in numbers to
matter much. Which movies are on which format is far more important to me.

Matthew

Then the odds are with BR in the long-term -- remember, both formats
have been out less than a year.

HD-DVD has to shake loose Disney and Fox from BR-exclusivity at some
point or else the cheapest Chinese HD-DVD players won't matter.

Hell China has had EVD or some other format they called high-def for
several years now, using home-grown codecs. It never got Hollywood
support for obvious reasons.