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"=\(8\)" wrote in
:

I see more ads for movies coming on Blue-Ray than HD-DVD so right now
I am leaning that direction. However, for me it is still far too soon
to make the move to any HD DVD format. Part of me suspects that
neither is going to win and they will evently have to come together.
The PlayStation 3 is not selling well, the price is just too high even
when you figure what you are getting and what it would cost to buy
each peice seperatly. But, that isn't something many seem to consider.

Personally, I don't feel that either format is what is needed. They
feel like stop gap measures especially when you look at the computer
side of it. I know a great number of people that have more than are
nearly 1 TeraByte of computer storage space. I have almost 2 myself.
What I hear most often is that 50GB is nothing and I think they are
right it is nothing. If a format could survive without the computer
end of it then HD DVD and Blue-Ray might make it, but they can't and
even the PS3 can't give them that.

Basically it is still too iffy to go with either one. Time will tell
if one is the next consumer format or if they are both the equivilent
of Circuit City's Divx format or Sony's Betamax.

=(8)


(I paid 300 for the Toshiba ax2. The picture is the same as or close to blu
Ray. It has given me much enjoyment

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In article , r
says...
BDK wrote:


As far as the HD/BlueRay "war" goes, I'm not biting until I can get a
cheap universal player, or HD throws in the towel. I really don't see
how HD is going to win this thing in the long run, once the price equals
out.

What makes you think that BR prices will be as low as HD in anything but
the longest of terms? HD machines have the advantage of being compatible
with DVD tooling. All BR products require new, and very expensive,
tooling that has to be amortized. HD could have the price advantage for
years because the tooling for it already has been amortized.

Matthew



At a certain point, the price will drop to about the same as HDDVD, and
that will be the turning point. The resources of the BR companies is
many times that of HDDVD. It won't be a whole lot longer, I bet the
reason it's taken this long is teething issues at the factories.
Everything electronic has a "tipping point", price wise. LCD TV's are
part this point now, getting cheaper and better all the time.

I wouldn't be shocked if Xmas or even this fall is when BR comes out
with the HD killer. I wouldn't buy either right now, but the price of BR
is my only reason not to buy. I have no confidence HD will be here a few
years from now.

It's not a big concern of mine, I can wait. I just don't see how the HD
side can expect to win this against everything lined up against them.
Sony and it's allied companies (Zenith, and Toshiba, I think, lost the
Beta/VHS war with a better product (Well, a better pic anyway. My friend
worked at an appliance store back when I was looking to buy my first
VCR. and there were several times as many Beta machines being fixed with
serious issues (eating tapes) as VHS machines, and that clinched it
(VHS) for me) going up against the much bigger companies of RCA,
Panasonic (Who made most of the VHS machines regardless of brand in the
early years)Hitachi, etc. RCA was huge back then, and Panasonic too,
together, they alone were probably enough to ensure VHS's long term
survival.

I think I read somewhere that there were 10 companies making/selling VHS
machines that were bigger than Sony was. Added together, it was a force
Sony had no way to compete with. This time, it looks like Sony will be
on the winning side.



BDK

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In article , r
says...
=(8) wrote:
I see more ads for movies coming on Blue-Ray than HD-DVD so right now I
am leaning that direction.

Ads are one thing, shipping product is another. BR leads HD 306 to 281
according to www.dvdpricesearch.com. Not enough difference in numbers to
matter much. Which movies are on which format is far more important to me.

Matthew



Like plain old regular DVD, eventually almost everything will be re-
released in the winning format. Probaby more than once. What's your
hurry?

BDK

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In article ,
BDK wrote:

In article , r
says...
BDK wrote:


As far as the HD/BlueRay "war" goes, I'm not biting until I can get a
cheap universal player, or HD throws in the towel. I really don't see
how HD is going to win this thing in the long run, once the price equals
out.

What makes you think that BR prices will be as low as HD in anything but
the longest of terms? HD machines have the advantage of being compatible
with DVD tooling. All BR products require new, and very expensive,
tooling that has to be amortized. HD could have the price advantage for
years because the tooling for it already has been amortized.

Matthew



At a certain point, the price will drop to about the same as HDDVD, and
that will be the turning point. The resources of the BR companies is
many times that of HDDVD. It won't be a whole lot longer, I bet the
reason it's taken this long is teething issues at the factories.
Everything electronic has a "tipping point", price wise. LCD TV's are
part this point now, getting cheaper and better all the time.

I wouldn't be shocked if Xmas or even this fall is when BR comes out
with the HD killer. I wouldn't buy either right now, but the price of BR
is my only reason not to buy. I have no confidence HD will be here a few
years from now.

It's not a big concern of mine, I can wait. I just don't see how the HD
side can expect to win this against everything lined up against them.
Sony and it's allied companies (Zenith, and Toshiba, I think, lost the
Beta/VHS war with a better product (Well, a better pic anyway. My friend
worked at an appliance store back when I was looking to buy my first
VCR. and there were several times as many Beta machines being fixed with
serious issues (eating tapes) as VHS machines, and that clinched it
(VHS) for me) going up against the much bigger companies of RCA,
Panasonic (Who made most of the VHS machines regardless of brand in the
early years)Hitachi, etc. RCA was huge back then, and Panasonic too,
together, they alone were probably enough to ensure VHS's long term
survival.

I think I read somewhere that there were 10 companies making/selling VHS
machines that were bigger than Sony was. Added together, it was a force
Sony had no way to compete with. This time, it looks like Sony will be
on the winning side.



BDK

The kink in the wringer these days is LG and Samsung. Both were BluRay
only and strong supporters. But now LG has a dual format player out and
Samsung has announced one for later this year. Add in Sony's inability
to set a standard in the past and I'm not so willing to bet on BR any
more than I would HD-DVD.

And strangely, Sony the strongest pusher of BluRay, makes both the PS3
and a BR player. And at this point in time, the PS3 is the much better
player at a better price point.

Bottom line is that it will be the bottom line pricing that will decide
the outcome of the 'war'. As long as pricing of BluRay remains at the
$500+ level it will only be enthusiasts that are buying. Joe six pack
will not spend that much, content or no.

$300 Hi-Def DVD
 

I think it is far too early to declare a BluRay victory. Moreover, the
potential for a merged format, or even a yet to be marketed (Chinese) HD
format is not to be entirely dismissed IMHO.

Smarty


"BDK" wrote in message
...
In article , r
says...
BDK wrote:


As far as the HD/BlueRay "war" goes, I'm not biting until I can get a
cheap universal player, or HD throws in the towel. I really don't see
how HD is going to win this thing in the long run, once the price
equals
out.

What makes you think that BR prices will be as low as HD in anything but
the longest of terms? HD machines have the advantage of being compatible
with DVD tooling. All BR products require new, and very expensive,
tooling that has to be amortized. HD could have the price advantage for
years because the tooling for it already has been amortized.

Matthew



At a certain point, the price will drop to about the same as HDDVD, and
that will be the turning point. The resources of the BR companies is
many times that of HDDVD. It won't be a whole lot longer, I bet the
reason it's taken this long is teething issues at the factories.
Everything electronic has a "tipping point", price wise. LCD TV's are
part this point now, getting cheaper and better all the time.

I wouldn't be shocked if Xmas or even this fall is when BR comes out
with the HD killer. I wouldn't buy either right now, but the price of BR
is my only reason not to buy. I have no confidence HD will be here a few
years from now.

It's not a big concern of mine, I can wait. I just don't see how the HD
side can expect to win this against everything lined up against them.
Sony and it's allied companies (Zenith, and Toshiba, I think, lost the
Beta/VHS war with a better product (Well, a better pic anyway. My friend
worked at an appliance store back when I was looking to buy my first
VCR. and there were several times as many Beta machines being fixed with
serious issues (eating tapes) as VHS machines, and that clinched it
(VHS) for me) going up against the much bigger companies of RCA,
Panasonic (Who made most of the VHS machines regardless of brand in the
early years)Hitachi, etc. RCA was huge back then, and Panasonic too,
together, they alone were probably enough to ensure VHS's long term
survival.

I think I read somewhere that there were 10 companies making/selling VHS
machines that were bigger than Sony was. Added together, it was a force
Sony had no way to compete with. This time, it looks like Sony will be
on the winning side.



BDK

$300 Hi-Def DVD
 

"Smarty" wrote:

I think it is far too early to declare a BluRay victory. Moreover, the
potential for a merged format, or even a yet to be marketed (Chinese) HD
format is not to be entirely dismissed IMHO.

Smarty


"BDK" wrote in message
...
In article , r
says...
BDK wrote:


As far as the HD/BlueRay "war" goes, I'm not biting until I can get a
cheap universal player, or HD throws in the towel. I really don't see
how HD is going to win this thing in the long run, once the price
equals
out.

What makes you think that BR prices will be as low as HD in anything but
the longest of terms? HD machines have the advantage of being compatible
with DVD tooling. All BR products require new, and very expensive,
tooling that has to be amortized. HD could have the price advantage for
years because the tooling for it already has been amortized.

Matthew



At a certain point, the price will drop to about the same as HDDVD, and
that will be the turning point. The resources of the BR companies is
many times that of HDDVD. It won't be a whole lot longer, I bet the
reason it's taken this long is teething issues at the factories.
Everything electronic has a "tipping point", price wise. LCD TV's are
part this point now, getting cheaper and better all the time.

I wouldn't be shocked if Xmas or even this fall is when BR comes out
with the HD killer. I wouldn't buy either right now, but the price of BR
is my only reason not to buy. I have no confidence HD will be here a few
years from now.

It's not a big concern of mine, I can wait. I just don't see how the HD
side can expect to win this against everything lined up against them.
Sony and it's allied companies (Zenith, and Toshiba, I think, lost the
Beta/VHS war with a better product (Well, a better pic anyway. My friend
worked at an appliance store back when I was looking to buy my first
VCR. and there were several times as many Beta machines being fixed with
serious issues (eating tapes) as VHS machines, and that clinched it
(VHS) for me) going up against the much bigger companies of RCA,
Panasonic (Who made most of the VHS machines regardless of brand in the
early years)Hitachi, etc. RCA was huge back then, and Panasonic too,
together, they alone were probably enough to ensure VHS's long term
survival.

I think I read somewhere that there were 10 companies making/selling VHS
machines that were bigger than Sony was. Added together, it was a force
Sony had no way to compete with. This time, it looks like Sony will be
on the winning side.



BDK


toshiba HD 2 player is available now at Costco, and I assume
everywhere soon, for $250.

cheapest Blue Ray player I can find is still on the far side of
$700....

Actually I think the proplem is, nobody is buying either format....2
formats competing for a 1/4 format market.

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In article ,
says...
In article ,
BDK wrote:

In article , r
says...
BDK wrote:


As far as the HD/BlueRay "war" goes, I'm not biting until I can get a
cheap universal player, or HD throws in the towel. I really don't see
how HD is going to win this thing in the long run, once the price equals
out.

What makes you think that BR prices will be as low as HD in anything but
the longest of terms? HD machines have the advantage of being compatible
with DVD tooling. All BR products require new, and very expensive,
tooling that has to be amortized. HD could have the price advantage for
years because the tooling for it already has been amortized.

Matthew



At a certain point, the price will drop to about the same as HDDVD, and
that will be the turning point. The resources of the BR companies is
many times that of HDDVD. It won't be a whole lot longer, I bet the
reason it's taken this long is teething issues at the factories.
Everything electronic has a "tipping point", price wise. LCD TV's are
part this point now, getting cheaper and better all the time.

I wouldn't be shocked if Xmas or even this fall is when BR comes out
with the HD killer. I wouldn't buy either right now, but the price of BR
is my only reason not to buy. I have no confidence HD will be here a few
years from now.

It's not a big concern of mine, I can wait. I just don't see how the HD
side can expect to win this against everything lined up against them.
Sony and it's allied companies (Zenith, and Toshiba, I think, lost the
Beta/VHS war with a better product (Well, a better pic anyway. My friend
worked at an appliance store back when I was looking to buy my first
VCR. and there were several times as many Beta machines being fixed with
serious issues (eating tapes) as VHS machines, and that clinched it
(VHS) for me) going up against the much bigger companies of RCA,
Panasonic (Who made most of the VHS machines regardless of brand in the
early years)Hitachi, etc. RCA was huge back then, and Panasonic too,
together, they alone were probably enough to ensure VHS's long term
survival.

I think I read somewhere that there were 10 companies making/selling VHS
machines that were bigger than Sony was. Added together, it was a force
Sony had no way to compete with. This time, it looks like Sony will be
on the winning side.



BDK

The kink in the wringer these days is LG and Samsung. Both were BluRay
only and strong supporters. But now LG has a dual format player out and
Samsung has announced one for later this year. Add in Sony's inability
to set a standard in the past and I'm not so willing to bet on BR any
more than I would HD-DVD.

And strangely, Sony the strongest pusher of BluRay, makes both the PS3
and a BR player. And at this point in time, the PS3 is the much better
player at a better price point.

Bottom line is that it will be the bottom line pricing that will decide
the outcome of the 'war'. As long as pricing of BluRay remains at the
$500+ level it will only be enthusiasts that are buying. Joe six pack
will not spend that much, content or no.


When the price gets below $400, that will start a strong move in sales.
Dual format players are a good work around, as far as not getting stuck
picking the losing format and wasting a ton of money buying the "wrong"
thing.

BDK

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BDK wrote:

When the price gets below $400, that will start a strong move in sales.
Dual format players are a good work around, as far as not getting stuck
picking the losing format and wasting a ton of money buying the "wrong"
thing.


I just paid $540 for an HD-XA2. I will very quickly pay far more than
that in HD-DVDs. Guess what? They will continue to play in my HD-DVD
player even if BR "wins".

Matthew

--
I'm a consultant. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one.
Which one do you want?

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In article ,
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote:

In message , sprach forth the
following:

toshiba HD 2 player is available now at Costco, and I assume
everywhere soon, for $250.

That player is 1080i, not 1080p.

From doing lots of reading, 1080p is just so much marketing and not much
else. Every review I've seen says that onscreen differences are so
slight that they are unnoticeable.

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In article ,
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote:

In message , Lloyd
Parsons sprach forth the following:

From doing lots of reading, 1080p is just so much marketing and not much
else.

Who would be so stupid as to rely on "lots of reading" to make a judgment
regarding PICTURE QUALITY?

Apparently, you.

LOL!

I do a lot of research before I buy, then I look and see. And in both
my research and in direct viewing, 1080p and 1080i are a wash.

But feel free to spend more money on 1080p over 1080i for a while...