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Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
This is the weirdest ever! And even weirder because it only happens occasionally (once every week or two - and always on different old-new channel switches). The other night, while we were out, Tivo was set to record a 1-hour program on channel 59 at 8:PM (part of a season pass that had been working fine). When we got home, the recording had taken place at 8:pm as scheduled, but it recorded the channel that it was set to when we left (Ch. 4). OK, I know of lots of reasons why the channel might not have been changed properly. The kicker is that the channel HAD been changed, BUT an hour later than the recording had started! If this happened ALL the time, I'd figure that the Daylight Savings Time changes had screwed things up, or there was a bad software upgrade, etc. This is on an old Phillips Series 1. Tivo won't talk about it, and Phillips wants its pound of flesh pay-for-tech-support before they'll even listen to the problem. Does anybody out there have any ideas (short of getting a Series3)? - Herb |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
On 2007-05-21 16:15:05 -0500, Herb said:
Does anybody out there have any ideas (short of getting a Series3)? ----- I've seen this before. It is a bad IR operation. Tivo changes the channel for a recording and then, for some reason, does it again when it finishes a recording. so, the first time, at 8PM, it failed and left the channel where it was. After the hour, it changed again and worked this time. It my case, it seems the Motorola cable box is SLOW and if it has other issues (bad signal, etc.) it fails to accept the IR signals in a timely fashion. |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
"Herb" wrote in message . .. This is the weirdest ever! And even weirder because it only happens occasionally (once every week or two - and always on different old-new channel switches). The other night, while we were out, Tivo was set to record a 1-hour program on channel 59 at 8:PM (part of a season pass that had been working fine). When we got home, the recording had taken place at 8:pm as scheduled, but it recorded the channel that it was set to when we left (Ch. 4). OK, I know of lots of reasons why the channel might not have been changed properly. The kicker is that the channel HAD been changed, BUT an hour later than the recording had started! If this happened ALL the time, I'd figure that the Daylight Savings Time changes had screwed things up, or there was a bad software upgrade, etc. This is on an old Phillips Series 1. Tivo won't talk about it, and Phillips wants its pound of flesh pay-for-tech-support before they'll even listen to the problem. Does anybody out there have any ideas (short of getting a Series3)? - Herb My Sony SVR2000 Series 1 used to do the same thing. It may help is to make sure the sun doesn't reach IR receiver of your cable or satellite box. When I had south-facing windows, I noticed that the problem occurred more frequently in the morning and evening when the sun was low in the sky. Take a look at the following troubleshooting page: http://tinyurl.com/25sr5v I've found that the surest fix is to build an IR tent. Here's how: http://tinyurl.com/yrvlku I just use aluminum foil for the tent because it's easy to remove if you want to use your CB remote for PPV or On Demand programming. |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
I agree with the previous posters is that it is likely to be an IR
problem. I've had a variety of TiVo boxes and cable boxes that have had that problem. Sometimes, it is the IR message not getting through like the posters suggested. However, there are other possible causes. Do you ever change you channel other than via the TiVo? If so, the TiVo can be confused about what channel you are on and then not send the command to change channels, because it thinks it is on the right one. Recently, the software seems to change even when it doesn't have to, but I used to notice my old TiVo not changing unless it "had to". So, if the TiVo thought you were on channel 59, it wouldn't have bothered sending the IR sequence. If we had use our other "remote" to change the channels ourselves, that would be a problem. This also used to happen with a specific cable box that used to turn itself off at night. If the box were turned off (or lost power and reset). It could end up on a different channel than the one the TiVo thought it was on (or have been off when a change channel request was sent to it). That could cause the same effect. Now, since you problem was at 8pm, I don't think either of the above causes are likely, but neither is interference from the Sun. However, perhaps the suggestions will cause you to realize something that might lead you to the true cause. Another cause of intermittent problems might be that your IR blaster is slightly in the wrong place. When our cleaning people come, they did that to it sometimes, until I taped the blaster right to where I wanted it with killer-shipping (PVC) tape. |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
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Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:08:43 GMT, Jud Hardcastle
wrote: In article , says... Now, since you problem was at 8pm, I don't think either of the above causes are likely, but neither is interference from the Sun. However, perhaps the suggestions will cause you to realize something that might lead you to the true cause. Another cause of intermittent problems might be that your IR blaster is slightly in the wrong place. When our cleaning people come, they did that to it sometimes, until I taped the blaster right to where I wanted it with killer-shipping (PVC) tape. One more thing to rule out. I used to use an X10 RF-to-IR remote repeater (one of those pyramid things). Some times it would pick up RF noise and the light would flicker--while it was doing that the IR blasters had problems. Finally switched to a wired repeater system and all the blaster problems cleared up. I used to have a bunch of those things (pyramids). I really got tired of trying to get them to work by repositioning them several times a day. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "How could you ask me to believe in God when there's absolutely no evidence that I can see?" -- Jodie Foster |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
"Chris F Clark" wrote in message ... Now, since you problem was at 8pm, I don't think either of the above causes are likely, but neither is interference from the Sun. I respectfully disagree. Sunlight can blind the vision of an IR receiver. It's happened not only with my TiVo but also with the safety mechanism of my automatic garage door. And sunset in my area is currently at 8:52PM, which may have put the sun at window level at 8:00PM when his TiVo failed to change channels and safely below the horizon at 9:00PM when his TiVo *did* change channels. I tend to agree with you, though, that even if sunlight exacerbates the problem it more than likely isn't the only cause. |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:08:43 GMT, Jud Hardcastle wrote:
One more thing to rule out. I used to use an X10 RF-to-IR remote repeater (one of those pyramid things). Some times it would pick up RF noise and the light would flicker--while it was doing that the IR blasters had problems. Finally switched to a wired repeater system and all the blaster problems cleared up. What are you using for a wired repeater system? I want to upgrade my "pyramid" system. Karl |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
"Jerry Boyle" writes:
"Chris F Clark" wrote in message ... Now, since you problem was at 8pm, I don't think either of the above causes are likely, but neither is interference from the Sun. I respectfully disagree. Sunlight can blind the vision of an IR receiver. It's happened not only with my TiVo but also with the safety mechanism of my automatic garage door. And sunset in my area is currently at 8:52PM, which may have put the sun at window level at 8:00PM when his TiVo failed to change channels and safely below the horizon at 9:00PM when his TiVo *did* change channels. I tend to agree with you, though, that even if sunlight exacerbates the problem it more than likely isn't the only cause. I'm sorry, my fault. Since the fact that the sun sets prior to 8pm in Boston and it is the latest I have ever experienced, I assumed that it was around the latest anyone would *likely* experience. That was my mistaken assumption. I don't think sunset was ever later than 8pm in either Denvver, or KS. Perhaps my memory is faulty. You live either farther N than I do or in a different part of a TZ where sunset is later--I'm not sure whether that would be relative E or W within the TZ. I am curious where do you like that the sun stays out to ~9pm? |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
In article
Chris F Clark writes: or W within the TZ. I am curious where do you like that the sun stays out to ~9pm? Peeking at intellicast, it seems that here in Dayton, Ohio, the sun rose at 6:16am and will set at 8:52pm. -- Drew Lawson http://www.furrfu.com/ I only came in search of answers, never planned to sell my soul I only came in search of something left that I could call my own |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
Drew Lawson wrote:
In article Chris F Clark writes: or W within the TZ. I am curious where do you like that the sun stays out to ~9pm? Peeking at intellicast, it seems that here in Dayton, Ohio, the sun rose at 6:16am and will set at 8:52pm. FWIW, New York is 05:33-20:13. London (England) is 04:58-20:57 -- Stephen Harris The truth is the truth, and opinion just opinion. But what is what? My employer pays to ignore my opinions; you get to do it for free. |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
Karl S wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:08:43 GMT, Jud Hardcastle wrote: One more thing to rule out. I used to use an X10 RF-to-IR remote repeater (one of those pyramid things). Some times it would pick up RF noise and the light would flicker--while it was doing that the IR blasters had problems. Finally switched to a wired repeater system and all the blaster problems cleared up. What are you using for a wired repeater system? I want to upgrade my "pyramid" system. I have two pairs of Terk LF10R units; works well. -Joe http://www.inwap.com/tivo/SmithTV2006.gif |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:31:14 -0700, Karl S wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:08:43 GMT, Jud Hardcastle wrote: One more thing to rule out. I used to use an X10 RF-to-IR remote repeater (one of those pyramid things). Some times it would pick up RF noise and the light would flicker--while it was doing that the IR blasters had problems. Finally switched to a wired repeater system and all the blaster problems cleared up. What are you using for a wired repeater system? I want to upgrade my "pyramid" system. Karl When I got rid of those $%^#! pyramids, I used this: http://www.smarthome.com/8197.html -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "How could you ask me to believe in God when there's absolutely no evidence that I can see?" -- Jodie Foster |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
Not that it makes any difference to anyone else. I looked up all the
places I mentioned living and today they all have sunsets after 8pm. So much for my memory, or more likely so much for how much attention I was paying.... |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
In article
Chris F Clark writes: Not that it makes any difference to anyone else. I looked up all the places I mentioned living and today they all have sunsets after 8pm. So much for my memory, or more likely so much for how much attention I was paying.... If you asked me in my youth, I would have said that the sun didn't stay up that late. But once I had a kid in elementary school, I became well aware of the fact that the sun stayed up (in later summer, start of school year) later than bed time was supposed to be. -- Drew Lawson http://www.furrfu.com/ "Please understand that we are considerably less interested in you than you are." -- Madeleine Page, on the deep truths of alt.folklore.urban |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
Could it be before DST was in effect?
"Howard" wrote in message ... Chris F Clark wrote in : "Jerry Boyle" writes: "Chris F Clark" wrote in message ... Now, since you problem was at 8pm, I don't think either of the above causes are likely, but neither is interference from the Sun. I respectfully disagree. Sunlight can blind the vision of an IR receiver. It's happened not only with my TiVo but also with the safety mechanism of my automatic garage door. And sunset in my area is currently at 8:52PM, which may have put the sun at window level at 8:00PM when his TiVo failed to change channels and safely below the horizon at 9:00PM when his TiVo *did* change channels. I tend to agree with you, though, that even if sunlight exacerbates the problem it more than likely isn't the only cause. I'm sorry, my fault. Since the fact that the sun sets prior to 8pm in Boston and it is the latest I have ever experienced, I assumed that it was around the latest anyone would *likely* experience. That was my mistaken assumption. I don't think sunset was ever later than 8pm in either Denvver, or KS. Perhaps my memory is faulty. You live either farther N than I do or in a different part of a TZ where sunset is later--I'm not sure whether that would be relative E or W within the TZ. I am curious where do you like that the sun stays out to ~9pm? Where in Boston do you live that it sets before 8pm? http://www.almanac.com/ says today's sunset is at 8:07PM. http://www.timeanddate.com says that sunset will continue to occur later (as it has the wont to do about this time of year) until the latest sunset is at 8:25pm, around late June/early July. Sunset will continue to occur after 8pm until August 4th. -- Spam belongs in your lunchbox, not your newsreader or inbox. Your news and email CAN be spam-free, experience it yourself for two days...also free! (I don't work for them, I'm just a happy customer) Check it out at: https://acc.newsguy.com/cgi-bin/sub_trial_form |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
... On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:31:14 -0700, Karl S wrote: What are you using for a wired repeater system? I want to upgrade my "pyramid" system. When I got rid of those $%^#! pyramids, I used this: http://www.smarthome.com/8197.html I use the same. Great system. Majority of the time people are using coax to distribute their signal to a remote TV, so why not use it to send the IR commands back. |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
I'd like to thank everyone for their responses and the ensuing discussions. At least I know I'm not completely crazy And, among other things, I'll avoid using a camera flash pointed in the cable box's direction ... Thanks again. |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
"Jud Hardcastle" wrote in message
bal.net... In article , says... On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:08:43 GMT, Jud Hardcastle wrote: One more thing to rule out. I used to use an X10 RF-to-IR remote repeater (one of those pyramid things). Some times it would pick up RF noise and the light would flicker--while it was doing that the IR blasters had problems. Finally switched to a wired repeater system and all the blaster problems cleared up. What are you using for a wired repeater system? I want to upgrade my "pyramid" system. Karl I'm using a Xantech system but not the coax model Mark pointed you at. I wanted multiple locations to control one area. There's one base module with multiple IR emitters and the power supply at the main component area then a small 4-conductor wire runs around the house with IR receivers tapped into that. This one: http://www.xantech.com/products/p_folder/p_291kit.htm Keep in mind, the system Mark pointed out will do just that as well. I have the "base" package which controls your gear from 1 remote location and multiple expansion kits for adding additional remote locations. |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
On Sat, 26 May 2007 14:08:28 GMT, Jud Hardcastle
wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:08:43 GMT, Jud Hardcastle wrote: One more thing to rule out. I used to use an X10 RF-to-IR remote repeater (one of those pyramid things). Some times it would pick up RF noise and the light would flicker--while it was doing that the IR blasters had problems. Finally switched to a wired repeater system and all the blaster problems cleared up. What are you using for a wired repeater system? I want to upgrade my "pyramid" system. Karl I'm using a Xantech system but not the coax model Mark pointed you at. I wanted multiple locations to control one area. There's one base module with multiple IR emitters and the power supply at the main component area then a small 4-conductor wire runs around the house with IR receivers tapped into that. This one: http://www.xantech.com/products/p_folder/p_291kit.htm I have used only the coax system (for control from 4 locations), although that one should work just as well. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "How could you ask me to believe in God when there's absolutely no evidence that I can see?" -- Jodie Foster |
Tivo Records On-Time, but changes channel LATER
On Sat, 26 May 2007 10:13:14 -0400, "Seth"
wrote: "Jud Hardcastle" wrote in message obal.net... In article , says... On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:08:43 GMT, Jud Hardcastle wrote: One more thing to rule out. I used to use an X10 RF-to-IR remote repeater (one of those pyramid things). Some times it would pick up RF noise and the light would flicker--while it was doing that the IR blasters had problems. Finally switched to a wired repeater system and all the blaster problems cleared up. What are you using for a wired repeater system? I want to upgrade my "pyramid" system. Karl I'm using a Xantech system but not the coax model Mark pointed you at. I wanted multiple locations to control one area. There's one base module with multiple IR emitters and the power supply at the main component area then a small 4-conductor wire runs around the house with IR receivers tapped into that. This one: http://www.xantech.com/products/p_folder/p_291kit.htm Keep in mind, the system Mark pointed out will do just that as well. I have the "base" package which controls your gear from 1 remote location and multiple expansion kits for adding additional remote locations. One additional thing: all splitters that this signal needs to pass through must be DC-passing. Amplifiers create a problem. I avoided it by amplifying the signal sufficiently before it gets to the emitter connecting block. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "How could you ask me to believe in God when there's absolutely no evidence that I can see?" -- Jodie Foster |
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