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Mark Carver wrote:
On May 13, 10:07 pm, "David" wrote:
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The remaining 1074 sites will account for 9.9 ish % coverage. The
COM mux operators have decided it's not economically viable to
extend any further. The PSB operators (BBC, ITV, C4, 5 etc) are
obliged to provide 99ish % coverage.

Five won't be available to the 9.9% if the Digital UK website is
correct.

Don't Five get less coverage than the big 4 now on anologue, so
after switch
off they will do better now?

C5 will be carried on the PSB 3 mux after DSO in each region, so 99%
UK coverage from all 1154 sites.

This is confirmed on the Digital UK website, so I don't know which bit
DABSWTFM was looking at ?

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/en/what/f...nnels-will-be-
avialable-as-a-result-of-switchover?


I was looking at what the Digital UK website said that Whitehaven would get:

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/en/where/...whitehaven-get

and it doesn't include Five in that list.


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I was looking at what the Digital UK website said that Whitehaven would
get:

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/en/where/...whitehaven-get

and it doesn't include Five in that list.



In my view all terrestrial digital transmitters should give the same choice
of 6 muxs. If I were in an area such as your Whitehaven I would be
compaining about being short changed.

We all pay the same UK licience fee!

The Government should compel the the transmitter site owners to do this.

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David wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" [email protected] wrote in message
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I was looking at what the Digital UK website said that Whitehaven
would get:

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/en/where/...whitehaven-get

and it doesn't include Five in that list.



In my view all terrestrial digital transmitters should give the same
choice of 6 muxs. If I were in an area such as your Whitehaven I
would be compaining about being short changed.


I don't live in Whitehaven, Whitehaven is the first place where analogue TV
will be switched off this coming October.


We all pay the same UK licience fee!


The licence fee is for the BBC though, and they'll get BBC TV.


The Government should compel the the transmitter site owners to do
this.


They can't force commercial TV channels other than ITV, C4 and Five to spend
money when it might lose them money, which is a bit like ordering Tesco to
open a hypermarket on the Outer Hebrides.

But by the same token, the broadcasters cannot expect to be given spectrum
that doesn't belong to them - especially when it is prime spectrum for
mobile communications when they want to use it for stationary reception, and
solutions exist to allow the broadcasters to provide the HDTV channels they
say they want to provide.



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On 13 May, 09:55, "David" wrote:
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Either you live in an area between many transmitters, or you have a very
sensitive FM tuner.

FM used by our portable radio with telescopic aerial and the car radio.
Live in West Yorkshire, many, many duplications of BBC Radio2 etc.
BBC Radio Leeds 2 or maybe 3.

Would that be a mono portable radio? You need a much higher signal
strength to receive stereo hiss-free.

I used to live in Colchester, one of the areas where Classic FM
decided not to use the frequency which was allocated to them. It went
to a local station called Dream 100 instead. Needless to say Dream 100
was easy to receive, but Classic FM was a mess, and got worse the
further you drove from London.


But of course, any job which you know nothing about seems easy. On
that basis, I'm sure we could all do frequency planning better than
the people who actually do it...!

Cheers,
David.

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On 12 May, 13:03, "DAB sounds worse than FM" [email protected] wrote:
When the analogue signal has been switched off in a given region, e.g.
Border will be the first, will that region then have the full 6 x 24 Mbps =
144 Mbps of capacity to use so that the regions that switchover first will
get for example the BBC HD channel before the other regions?

I've seen a mention of two sets of muxes being distributed nationally
during switch over - the current set, _and_ the PSB1, PSB2, PSB3,
COM1, COM2, COM3 set, which are different: all 64 QAM, with channel
five on the BBC mux.

If this is true, it suggests people (even those with DTT already) will
see an immediate advantage to switch over in their area (extra
capacity). If it's not true, I don't see how it'll work because the
relays will still be without channel five.

Cheers,
David.

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On May 14, 8:26 am, "DAB sounds worse than FM" [email protected] wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:

C5 will be carried on the PSB 3 mux after DSO in each region, so 99%
UK coverage from all 1154 sites.

This is confirmed on the Digital UK website, so I don't know which bit
DABSWTFM was looking at ?

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/en/what/f...nnels-will-be-
avialable-as-a-result-of-switchover?

I was looking at what the Digital UK website said that Whitehaven would get:

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/en/where/...tml#what-will-...

and it doesn't include Five in that list.

You're right, it doesn't. Looks to me that they are getting the
existing Muxes, 1,2 and B. C5 is on Mux A. C5 are supposed to be
moving to what will be PSB-3, that will be a BBC/C5/S4C/Gaelic TV mux.
It looks as if the PSB/COM mux structure will not be up and running in
time for the Whitehaven DSO. Perhaps when the rest of the Border
region switches (a year later) then Whitehaven will switch to PSB
1,2,3.

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On May 14, 8:34 am, "David" wrote:

In my view all terrestrial digital transmitters should give the same choice
of 6 muxs. If I were in an area such as your Whitehaven I would be
compaining about being short changed.

All 1154 transmitters cannot broadcast six muxes, there is not enough
spectrum avaialble. ISTR there can only be a maximum of 200 stations
that could do so, the COM operators have decided on just 81.

In any case, there's nothing compelling that'll be missed. Shopping
channels, a few +1s, and some crappy radio stations. Hardly worth
worrying about IMHO.

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On May 14, 9:27 am, "
wrote:
On 12 May, 13:03, "DAB sounds worse than FM" [email protected] wrote:

When the analogue signal has been switched off in a given region, e.g.
Border will be the first, will that region then have the full 6 x 24 Mbps =
144 Mbps of capacity to use so that the regions that switchover first will
get for example the BBC HD channel before the other regions?

I've seen a mention of two sets of muxes being distributed nationally
during switch over - the current set, _and_ the PSB1, PSB2, PSB3,
COM1, COM2, COM3 set, which are different: all 64 QAM, with channel
five on the BBC mux.

If this is true, it suggests people (even those with DTT already) will
see an immediate advantage to switch over in their area (extra
capacity). If it's not true, I don't see how it'll work because the
relays will still be without channel five.

My understanding is that existing DTT transmitters will continue to
broadcast the present 1,2,A,B,C,D structure, until DSO at that
transmitter.
From DSO then they will switch to PSB/COM, with dependent relays
broadcasting DTT for the first time with PSB1,2,3.

So yes, 1,2,A,B,C,D and PSB/COM will co-exist until Divis in Ulster
switches in Nov 2012.

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/dso/index.shtml

BTW the channel allocations are out for Whitehaven, and the rest of
the Border area:-

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/ifi/tech/...ils/border.pdf

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On 13 May, 09:55, "David" wrote:
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Would that be a mono portable radio? You need a much higher signal
strength to receive stereo hiss-free.


Yes it is, but the car set is stereo and by thier nature car aerials not
high.

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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On May 14, 8:34 am, "David" wrote:

In my view all terrestrial digital transmitters should give the same
choice
of 6 muxs. If I were in an area such as your Whitehaven I would be
compaining about being short changed.

All 1154 transmitters cannot broadcast six muxes, there is not enough
spectrum avaialble. ISTR there can only be a maximum of 200 stations
that could do so, the COM operators have decided on just 81.

In any case, there's nothing compelling that'll be missed. Shopping
channels, a few +1s, and some crappy radio stations. Hardly worth
worrying about IMHO.


I would miss Five, watch it as much as BBC1 and ITV1.

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David

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