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Same situation with analogue radio, compare the number of FM
transmitters used for BBC R1-4, with the number equipped for Classic
FM.

Yes and surprising how well they cover us with Classic in that case.
I would ask have we too many BBC FM?
My dial is full of duplicate BBC .

Either you live in an area between many transmitters, or you have a very
sensitive FM tuner.

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David wrote:

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Same situation with analogue radio, compare the number of FM
transmitters used for BBC R1-4, with the number equipped for Classic
FM.


Yes and surprising how well they cover us with Classic in that case.
I would ask have we too many BBC FM?
My dial is full of duplicate BBC .

That is because VHF/FM transmitters, because of the frequency band they
use, are not very directional. Signal also can carry a very long way, so
that, in the absence of inteference, they 'pop up' over the dial. Services
targetted at particular areas do overspill into others,

Where I live I can identify Wrotham, Guildford, Crystal Palace, Oxford &
Rowridge, although only only the first 2 are useable. I can only use a
portable on Guildford, Wrotham has too much multipath.

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Either you live in an area between many transmitters, or you have a very
sensitive FM tuner.



FM used by our portable radio with telescopic aerial and the car radio.
Live in West Yorkshire, many, many duplications of BBC Radio2 etc.
BBC Radio Leeds 2 or maybe 3.

If they were reduced in number and engineered as the Independents what a lot
more station we could have.


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David

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David wrote:

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Either you live in an area between many transmitters, or you have a
very sensitive FM tuner.



FM used by our portable radio with telescopic aerial and the car radio.
Live in West Yorkshire, many, many duplications of BBC Radio2 etc.
BBC Radio Leeds 2 or maybe 3.

If they were reduced in number and engineered as the Independents what a
lot more station we could have.

and what a lot of people would lose their BBC services

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charles wrote:
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DAB sounds worse than FM [email protected] wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
On May 12, 3:10 pm, "David" wrote:

Might have, as I understand it will depend which particular
transmitter you recieve. Some will indeed be 6 muxes, but others
5, 4 or even 3 muxes.

Only the existing 80 DTT sites will carry all six SD muxes after
DSO, with one addition, Fremont Point on Jersey. The remaining 1074
transmitters will only carry three SD muxes.

There are about 100 sites licenced to carry two extra muxes, these
might or might not appear, and might or might not carry HD.


It's so hypocritical that they're holding out the begging bowl for
the spectrum yet they can't even be bothered to extend the coverage
of the other 3 multiplexes from the current 73%.

It's not "can't be bothered", It's "don't want to spend the (quite
considerable) sum of money needed".


I was under the impression that transmitters grew from magic beanstalk beans
and it's free to provide 110% population coverage. I stand corrected.



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When the analogue signal has been switched off in a given region, e.g.
Border will be the first, will that region then have the full 6 x 24 Mbps
= 144 Mbps of capacity to use so that the regions that switchover first
will get for example the BBC HD channel before the other regions?


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I stand to be corrected but as far as I can determine there are currently NO
FIRM PLANS to introduce HD on any channel - at least as a free-to-air
service. Worse still, there is the very real prospect that the freed-up
bandwidth is going to be flogged off to the highest bidder - which may not
be for Telly purposes at all.

Precisely. If the government gave a **** about how TV looks then they'd have
taken a stand when the BBC reduced the quality of their satellite pictures
when they downgraded the quality in 2000 so that it sank like a stone and only
came back up to halfway of what it lost in time for the Olympics that year (as
confirmed by someone I was in contact with at the BBC at the time - even
though it was perfectly obvious to anyone with eyes and an interest in what
they watch).

Why should the government care about HD on Freeview when there are so many
households without the brains to realise that a 14:9 analogue picture
shouldn't just be stretched across a 16:9 WS TV to make it "widescreen"(!)
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"charles" wrote in message

and what a lot of people would lose their BBC services

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Not round here.
If some did then an aerial would cure that.

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David

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Mark Carver wrote:
On May 12, 5:11 pm, "DAB sounds worse than FM" [email protected] wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:

It's so hypocritical that they're holding out the begging bowl for
the spectrum yet they can't even be bothered to extend the coverage
of the other 3 multiplexes from the current 73%. They deserve to be
given nothing, IMO.

It's the PSBs (notably the Beeb) holding out the begging bowl, and
they're equipping all 1154 sites for SD.


It's still a bloody begging bowl. And ask yourself why they want the
spectrum. It's for their own bloody benefit, so why can't they bid for it in
an auction like everybody else? What's fairer than an auction?


Actually because the existing 80 sites will employ significantly
higher power after DSO, that 73% figure will rise to 90%.


Right, so they can provide the "big 5" channels in HD to 90% of the country.

Basically, they want the extra spectrum to launch all or most of their own
channels in HD, so that keeps the status quo on Freeview where they get the
lion's share of the audiences, and I bet we'd never see DVB-T2 implemented,
which is the only way we're going to see a wide range of HD channels on
Freeview.


The remaining 1074 sites will account for 9.9 ish % coverage. The COM
mux operators have decided it's not economically viable to extend any
further. The PSB operators (BBC, ITV, C4, 5 etc) are obliged to
provide 99ish % coverage.


Five won't be available to the 9.9% if the Digital UK website is correct.



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The remaining 1074 sites will account for 9.9 ish % coverage. The COM
mux operators have decided it's not economically viable to extend any
further. The PSB operators (BBC, ITV, C4, 5 etc) are obliged to
provide 99ish % coverage.


Five won't be available to the 9.9% if the Digital UK website is correct.



Don't Five get less coverage than the big 4 now on anologue, so after switch
off they will do better now?

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On May 13, 10:07 pm, "David" wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" [email protected] wrote in ...

The remaining 1074 sites will account for 9.9 ish % coverage. The COM
mux operators have decided it's not economically viable to extend any
further. The PSB operators (BBC, ITV, C4, 5 etc) are obliged to
provide 99ish % coverage.

Five won't be available to the 9.9% if the Digital UK website is correct.

Don't Five get less coverage than the big 4 now on anologue, so after switch
off they will do better now?

C5 will be carried on the PSB 3 mux after DSO in each region, so 99%
UK coverage from all 1154 sites.

This is confirmed on the Digital UK website, so I don't know which bit
DABSWTFM was looking at ?

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/en/what/f...nnels-will-be-
avialable-as-a-result-of-switchover?