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BBC Trust approves Freesat
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:49:01 +0100, "Graham" wrote:
I do possess a single-sided 10 inch 78 recording of Caruso singing La Donna e Mobile. Correction; 80RPM. Must have been recorded before the 78 standard. Can't remember when it was standardized, sometime in the 1920's I think. Marky P. |
BBC Trust approves Freesat
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:38:51 +0100, "Max Demian"
wrote: "Marky P" wrote in message On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:08:47 +0100, "Paul D.Smith" wrote: ...snip... DAB is the 78rpm shellac disk of audio recording'... Interesting that you single out shellac. As a child I was most surprised to discover that my parents owned a 78rpm vinyl record - just the one! Lonnie Donegan if memory serves. Paul DS. I collect 78's and have quite a few vinyl ones that were produced in the late 50's. Mainly on Pye or Mercury records. But can they be played on an acoustic gramophone? I thought the idea of the shellac was that it would stand the wear and tear of the acoustic needle. You will wreck them on an acoustic gramophone, light weight arms only. Actually, I would never play any electrically recorded 78 on an acoustic gramophone, as the larger groove modulations combined with a big steel needle on a bloody heavy arm cause accelerated record wear. Marky P. |
BBC Trust approves Freesat
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:54:00 +0100, "Ivan"
wrote: Max Demian wrote: || "Marky P" wrote in message || ||| On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:08:47 +0100, "Paul D.Smith" ||| wrote: ||| |||| ...snip... |||| DAB is the 78rpm shellac disk of audio recording'... |||| |||| Interesting that you single out shellac. As a child I was most |||| surprised to discover that my parents owned a 78rpm vinyl record - |||| just the one! Lonnie Donegan if memory serves. |||| |||| Paul DS. |||| ||| I collect 78's and have quite a few vinyl ones that were produced in ||| the late 50's. Mainly on Pye or Mercury records. || || But can they be played on an acoustic gramophone? || || I thought the idea of the shellac was that it would stand the wear || and tear of the acoustic needle. || I recall owning Elvis's 'Heartbreak Hotel' on an HMV 78, which used to be hammered regularly on a wind-up gramophone. || -- || Max Demian Even though Elvis would play on a wind up, they were not intented to. All gramophones from that era were electric and had much lighter arms. Lucky that 'Heartbreak Hotel' is one of the more common Elvis 78's. If you were spinning 'Mess Of Blues' (valued at over £1200) I would have cried. Marky P. |
BBC Trust approves Freesat
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:58:48 +0100, "Ivan"
wrote: kim wrote: || "Ivan" wrote in message || ... ||| Max Demian wrote: ||||| "Marky P" wrote in message ||||| |||||| On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:08:47 +0100, "Paul D.Smith" |||||| wrote: |||||| ||||||| ...snip... ||||||| DAB is the 78rpm shellac disk of audio recording'... ||||||| ||||||| Interesting that you single out shellac. As a child I was most ||||||| surprised to discover that my parents owned a 78rpm vinyl ||||||| record - just the one! Lonnie Donegan if memory serves. ||||||| ||||||| Paul DS. ||||||| |||||| I collect 78's and have quite a few vinyl ones that were |||||| produced in the late 50's. Mainly on Pye or Mercury records. ||||| ||||| But can they be played on an acoustic gramophone? ||||| ||||| I thought the idea of the shellac was that it would stand the wear ||||| and tear of the acoustic needle. ||||| ||| I recall owning Elvis's 'Heartbreak Hotel' on an HMV 78, which used ||| to be hammered regularly on a wind-up gramophone. || || My mum had "Teddy Bear" which was one of the first long playing || records ever released, or "RCA Microgroove Recording" as it said on || the label. It was bloody awful. Sounded worse than a 78 and had only || four tracks on each 12" side. We left it behind in the garage when || we moved house many years later. Probably not worth anything anyway. || It's fun seeing all the Peggy Lee and Dean Martin albums she used to || own being re-released on budget label CD. Interesting times indeed, I wonder if the mention of the 'Embassy' label will bring back any memories to the 'not so well off back then' contributors to the newsgroup? || || (kim) Oddly enough, most Embassy 78's are valued at around £8 each in the Rare Record Price Guide, but I would never pay trhat much for one, and I have quite a few. The rarest Embasy 78 I have is Because They're Young' by Bud Ashton, released in Aug 1960. Marky P. |
BBC Trust approves Freesat
Marky P wrote:
|| On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:49:01 +0100, "Graham" wrote: || |||| |||| I do possess a single-sided 10 inch 78 recording of Caruso |||| singing La Donna e Mobile. ||| ||| Correction; 80RPM. Must have been recorded before the 78 standard. || || Can't remember when it was standardized, sometime in the 1920's I || think. || When I were a lad Marky, I had a shedload of one-sided gramophone records, IIRC they used to bear the label 'Edison Bell' 'ring out loud and clear'. I find it hard to believe, but I've heard it reiterated on several occasions, that putting another recording on the blank side of a record was some kind of inspirational afterthought.. Somehow I just can't believe that even back then people could have been too thick to have twigged that particular possibility from day one! || Marky P. |
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"Marky P" wrote in message
... On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:54:00 +0100, "Ivan" wrote: Max Demian wrote: || "Marky P" wrote in message || ||| On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:08:47 +0100, "Paul D.Smith" ||| wrote: ||| |||| ...snip... |||| DAB is the 78rpm shellac disk of audio recording'... |||| |||| Interesting that you single out shellac. As a child I was most |||| surprised to discover that my parents owned a 78rpm vinyl record - |||| just the one! Lonnie Donegan if memory serves. |||| |||| Paul DS. |||| ||| I collect 78's and have quite a few vinyl ones that were produced in ||| the late 50's. Mainly on Pye or Mercury records. || || But can they be played on an acoustic gramophone? || || I thought the idea of the shellac was that it would stand the wear || and tear of the acoustic needle. || I recall owning Elvis's 'Heartbreak Hotel' on an HMV 78, which used to be hammered regularly on a wind-up gramophone. || -- || Max Demian Even though Elvis would play on a wind up, they were not intented to. All gramophones from that era were electric and had much lighter arms. Lucky that 'Heartbreak Hotel' is one of the more common Elvis 78's. If you were spinning 'Mess Of Blues' (valued at over £1200) I would have cried. I read a story once - almost certainly apocryphal - that people originally refused to buy Presley records on 45's because they didn't believe it was the real Elvis singing! (kim) |
BBC Trust approves Freesat
"Graham" wrote in message
... I do possess a single-sided 10 inch 78 recording of Caruso singing La Donna e Mobile. Correction; 80RPM. Must have been recorded before the 78 standard. 80RPM discs famously played from the inside to the outside when the pickup arm fell off the edge and smashed the hawthorn needle! There was usually a small tin full of replacement needles next to the turntable. The reason Caruso was so successful was that he was one of the few artists who could sing loud enough to be heard through an unamplified system. (kim) |
BBC Trust approves Freesat
kim wrote:
|| "Marky P" wrote in message || ... ||| On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:54:00 +0100, "Ivan" ||| wrote: ||| |||| Max Demian wrote: |||||| "Marky P" wrote in message |||||| ||||||| On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:08:47 +0100, "Paul D.Smith" ||||||| wrote: ||||||| |||||||| ...snip... |||||||| DAB is the 78rpm shellac disk of audio recording'... |||||||| |||||||| Interesting that you single out shellac. As a child I was most |||||||| surprised to discover that my parents owned a 78rpm vinyl |||||||| record - just the one! Lonnie Donegan if memory serves. |||||||| |||||||| Paul DS. |||||||| ||||||| I collect 78's and have quite a few vinyl ones that were ||||||| produced in the late 50's. Mainly on Pye or Mercury records. |||||| |||||| But can they be played on an acoustic gramophone? |||||| |||||| I thought the idea of the shellac was that it would stand the |||||| wear and tear of the acoustic needle. |||||| |||| I recall owning Elvis's 'Heartbreak Hotel' on an HMV 78, which |||| used to be hammered regularly on a wind-up gramophone. |||| |||| |||||| -- |||||| Max Demian |||| ||| Even though Elvis would play on a wind up, they were not intented ||| to. All gramophones from that era were electric and had much ||| lighter arms. Lucky that 'Heartbreak Hotel' is one of the more ||| common Elvis 78's. If you were spinning 'Mess Of Blues' (valued at ||| over £1200) I would have cried. || || I read a story once - almost certainly apocryphal - that people || originally refused to buy Presley records on 45's because they || didn't believe it was the real Elvis singing! || No doubt because on a 78rpm machine he sounded like Doris Day. || (kim) |
BBC Trust approves Freesat
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:33:07 +0100, "Ivan"
wrote: I find it hard to believe, but I've heard it reiterated on several occasions, that putting another recording on the blank side of a record was some kind of inspirational afterthought.. Somehow I just can't believe that even back then people could have been too thick to have twigged that particular possibility from day one! The few single-sided gramophone records I've seen have all been slightly "dished", no doubt due to the slightly different mechanical properties of grooved and plain surfaces, or maybe they put a coating of a different material on the grooved side. Whatever the reason, making them mechanically balanced by putting two recordings back to back must have given a big improvement. Rod. |
BBC Trust approves Freesat
"Ivan" wrote in message
Marky P wrote: On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:49:01 +0100, "Graham" wrote: I do possess a single-sided 10 inch 78 recording of Caruso singing La Donna e Mobile. Correction; 80RPM. Must have been recorded before the 78 standard. Can't remember when it was standardized, sometime in the 1920's I think. When I were a lad Marky, I had a shedload of one-sided gramophone records, IIRC they used to bear the label 'Edison Bell' 'ring out loud and clear'. I find it hard to believe, but I've heard it reiterated on several occasions, that putting another recording on the blank side of a record was some kind of inspirational afterthought.. Somehow I just can't believe that even back then people could have been too thick to have twigged that particular possibility from day one! There are down sides to double sided media, for example the need to put something else on the other side (the dreaded B-side), or the need to split a single work into two. And to play both sides automatically requires a more complicated mechanism. CDs and DVDs are single sided, also 8" laserdiscs. And VHS tapes for that matter. -- Max Demian |
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