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In article ,
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
If there were non-smoking pubs then you would have been free to go to
one of those.

There are hardly any, due to laziness on the part of pub owners mostly.

Round here most of the pubs have had non smoking bars for many years.
Which are far less busy than the smoking ones.

I tend to believe in freedom of choice. In a village where there is only
one pub then it might be ok to make it non smoking. But in most towns
there are more pubs than needed - hence the numbers closing. So I really
can't see why it can't be left up to the owner. And staff can choose to
work in the type of pub that suits them - as now. And the same with
restaurants. No one *has* to eat in one.

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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:16:57 GMT, "DAB is the Betamax of digital
radio" [email protected] wrote:

Colin Stamp wrote:
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:25:00 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article ,
the dog from that film you saw
wrote:

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
charles wrote:
I bet you most people prefer not smelling of cigarettes.

probably, but the smell of the "great unwashed" suddenly becomes
very obvious - as does the smell from the toilets.

So they should clean the toilets then. It's really not been a
problem in non-smoking bars I've been to.

Toilets can be cleaned before opening time and they can stink by
closing time. It depends on the habits of the users.



stopping you from smelling nasty lavatories is one of the worst
excuses for smoking i ever did read.

It wasn't an 'excuse', I don't smoke - I don't like smoking. But,
it is a fact of life in some pubs that tobacco smoke masks the smell
from the toilets.

If smell-masking is all fag-smoke was ever doing for us, I guess Air
Wick could single-handedly save the post-ban situation for us all...


"For us all"? Are Airwick going to produce cigs that don't produce any smoke
then?

Smokers will no-doubt feel aggrieved that they are about to lose the
incredibly privileged position they've enjoyed for centuries. I'll try
not to lose any sleep over it though.

Cheers,

Colin.

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Colin Stamp wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:16:57 GMT, "DAB is the Betamax of digital
radio" [email protected] wrote:

Colin Stamp wrote:
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:25:00 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article ,
the dog from that film you saw
wrote:

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
charles wrote:
I bet you most people prefer not smelling of cigarettes.

probably, but the smell of the "great unwashed" suddenly
becomes very obvious - as does the smell from the toilets.

So they should clean the toilets then. It's really not been a
problem in non-smoking bars I've been to.

Toilets can be cleaned before opening time and they can stink by
closing time. It depends on the habits of the users.



stopping you from smelling nasty lavatories is one of the worst
excuses for smoking i ever did read.

It wasn't an 'excuse', I don't smoke - I don't like smoking. But,
it is a fact of life in some pubs that tobacco smoke masks the
smell from the toilets.

If smell-masking is all fag-smoke was ever doing for us, I guess Air
Wick could single-handedly save the post-ban situation for us all...


"For us all"? Are Airwick going to produce cigs that don't produce
any smoke then?

Smokers will no-doubt feel aggrieved that they are about to lose the
incredibly privileged position they've enjoyed for centuries. I'll try
not to lose any sleep over it though.


I'm sure you won't lose sleep over it, but I think those supporting the full
ban should stop and consider why they're supporting a full ban when they
wouldn't have had to set foot in another smoking pub ever again.

And if we're going to ban activities that carry some risk, then I propose
that all non-smokers proposing this full ban should be banned from having
unprotected sex, as there's a possibility that their partner in sexual
activies might have AIDS. Not to do so would be hypocritical.


Cheers,


I don't think that's a very appropriate word to use in the circumstances.


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On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:46:56 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

most smokers tend to be in total denial - they refuse to accept that
they are drug addicts. as such they should be glad they can indulge
their habit anywhere - they shouldnt be able to rub our noses in it
anywhere.

The logical thing then would be to ban alcohol - considering just how many
are addicted to that.

It's been tried. It didn't work. Instead of alcohol being supplied
through legal trade it just continued to be supplied through criminal
gangs instead. Lots of people got killed. Not a good idea.

It makes me wonder how many of the alleged bad effects the drugs that
are currently illegal can really be blamed on the drugs themselves.

And it's one of the most dangerous recreational
drugs available. But this government takes a very different view on that
- relaxing the supply rules to the point where there might as well be
none. And although other's smoke may be unpleasant, it's nothing compared
to the behaviour of many drunks.

The dangers are different. I could drink alcohol till I fell over and
be no danger whatsoever to anyone, but if one person lights one
cigarette in an indoor space, nobody has any choice but to breathe it.

Rod.

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On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:04:09 +0100, charles
wrote:

You can now smell things other than smoke in bars....

It's not that much of a problem, really, and so much better than the
stink of cigarettes.

Not so, according to many.

I bet you most people prefer not smelling of cigarettes.

probably, but the smell of the "great unwashed" suddenly becomes very
obvious - as does the smell from the toilets.

Do these smells give you lung cancer?

Rod.

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On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:56:49 +0100, Phil Cook
wrote:

MPs have lost their battle to stop next year's ban on smoking in
England affecting the House of Commons.

Because the precincts of parliament are technically a royal palace, it
is exempt from the law that will see smoking outlawed in pubs,
restaurants and other public places from next July. The Commons
administration committee, a group of MPs who oversee decisions about
the running of Westminster, concluded last year that it should set an
example by voluntarily adopting the ban, but four of its members -
three Tories and one Labour - formally objected, leaving the final
decision to a commission run by the Speaker of the Commons Michael
Martin.

However, it is shortly expected to announce that the ban will be
introduced throughout parliament, including in MPs' private offices.

Quite right too. It would be absurd for the seat of a democratic
government to adopt a stance that effectively meant "Do as we say, not
as we do". Anyone who thinks they have any justification for objecting
to it isn't fit to run the country. We want names....

Rod.

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On Apr 10, 10:26 am, Owain wrote:

I think the patrons of some lower-class pubs would regard the smell of
smelly toilets as the welcoming scent of home.

Or, pubs get the clientele they deserve ?

There are some dreadful places, and there always will be. There's a
Wetherspoons in my town, the staff are so inept I don't think any of
them have ever heard of a cloth. Every surface, and the bar itself, is
just sticky.

In any case over the last few months quite a few local pubs have
already gone smoke free. I don't detect any (net) reduction in
business for them.

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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:15:13 GMT, "DAB is the Betamax of digital
radio" [email protected] wrote:



I'm sure you won't lose sleep over it, but I think those supporting the full
ban should stop and consider why they're supporting a full ban when they
wouldn't have had to set foot in another smoking pub ever again.

Presumably, you're advocating some lesser measures to make that
situation come about. All very interesting, but I can't see anything
being done other than the ban as discussed, and when it comes into
force, the situation will improve vastly over the present one.


And if we're going to ban activities that carry some risk,

Where on earth did that come from? No-one is banning smoking. Smokers
will still have the right to stuff their lungs full of ****e with gay
abandon - as long as they avoid forcing their smoke into others' lungs
as some people believe they're entitled to do at the moment.


then I propose
that all non-smokers proposing this full ban should be banned from having
unprotected sex, as there's a possibility that their partner in sexual
activies might have AIDS. Not to do so would be hypocritical.

For a start, it's not all about risk. The basic disgusting nature of
it is important too, but since you're on about risk...

It's not about risk to the smoker. It's about smokers forcing other
people around them to take the risk along with them. If you want to
modify your analogy so that it actually works, then they should ban
raping people without using protection. Perhaps we should check, but
I'm fairly certain that's already illegal.


Cheers,


I don't think that's a very appropriate word to use in the circumstances.

Well feel free not to use it then.

Cheers,

Colin.

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DAB is the Betamax of digital radio wrote:
I worry about the smell.

What a stupid thing to worry about.

Not at all- especially if you hate the smell.

People jump out of aeroplanes for pleasure every day, and you
actually worry about smell?

I'm having trouble following the logic of your argument. People choose to
jump out of aeroplanes. I'd like to be able to choose to go to the pub
without coming back reeking of your stale tobacco smoke.

Soon I'll get that choice. Best piece of legislation for years!

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charles wrote:
I bet you most people prefer not smelling of cigarettes.

probably, but the smell of the "great unwashed" suddenly becomes very
obvious - as does the smell from the toilets.

You must frequent some right dives!