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Ed March 20th 07 10:49 AM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.

The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.

The technology will be transmitted to Sky HD boxes from today and to
all Sky+ boxes from April - a total of more than two million. Sky said
Auto Standby could save enough energy to light all the homes in
Wolverhampton for a year. It could also cut UK carbon emissions by
32,000 tons a year.


Mark Carver March 20th 07 11:18 AM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
On Mar 20, 9:49 am, "Ed" wrote:
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.

The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.

The technology will be transmitted to Sky HD boxes from today and to
all Sky+ boxes from April - a total of more than two million. Sky said
Auto Standby could save enough energy to light all the homes in
Wolverhampton for a year. It could also cut UK carbon emissions by
32,000 tons a year.


Just Sky+ boxes then ? I hope so, it'll cause chaos for communal
systems etc if it's introduced to standard boxes. Of course, as
regular readers of this group will know, there is virtually no
difference in power consumption between a digibox that's on, and one
in standby.


Ed March 20th 07 11:20 AM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
On Mar 20, 10:18 am, "Mark Carver" wrote:
On Mar 20, 9:49 am, "Ed" wrote:

SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.


The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.


The technology will be transmitted to Sky HD boxes from today and to
all Sky+ boxes from April - a total of more than two million. Sky said
Auto Standby could save enough energy to light all the homes in
Wolverhampton for a year. It could also cut UK carbon emissions by
32,000 tons a year.


Just Sky+ boxes then ? I hope so, it'll cause chaos for communal
systems etc if it's introduced to standard boxes. Of course, as
regular readers of this group will know, there is virtually no
difference in power consumption between a digibox that's on, and one
in standby.


I dont think there is much benefit turning off a regular box. It uses
almost no power. It is the hard disk in the plus and HD boxes that is
constantly turning as it buffers that uses the power.


Mark Carver March 20th 07 11:34 AM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
On Mar 20, 10:20 am, "Ed" wrote:

I dont think there is much benefit turning off a regular box. It uses
almost no power. It is the hard disk in the plus and HD boxes that is
constantly turning as it buffers that uses the power.


No *less* power in standby I think you mean :-)

ISTR when I had Sky+ the HDD spun continuously whether the box was on
or standby, I assume that's now changed ?


Sean Black March 20th 07 11:39 AM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
In article . com, Ed
writes
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.

The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.

The technology will be transmitted to Sky HD boxes from today and to
all Sky+ boxes from April - a total of more than two million. Sky said
Auto Standby could save enough energy to light all the homes in
Wolverhampton for a year. It could also cut UK carbon emissions by
32,000 tons a year.

It can be turned off in the menu, so that's what I'll be doing, I'll
decide when I want my box switched off. I don't want it ****ing up my
recordings, by firstly having an onscreen warning for three minutes,
before switching itself off.
--
Sean Black

Beck[_2_] March 20th 07 11:43 AM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.
The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.
The technology will be transmitted to Sky HD boxes from today and to
all Sky+ boxes from April - a total of more than two million. Sky said
Auto Standby could save enough energy to light all the homes in
Wolverhampton for a year. It could also cut UK carbon emissions by
32,000 tons a year.


Great idea. The amount of difference between on and standby may not be
much, but collectively with all the thousands of boxes it will make a
difference.
Hope they brace themselves for zillions of support calls from people saying
their sky is shutting off overnight though.


For example: John Smith March 20th 07 12:15 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
Sean Black wrote:
In article . com, Ed
writes
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by
£7.5MILLION a year.

The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.

The technology will be transmitted to Sky HD boxes from today and to
all Sky+ boxes from April - a total of more than two million. Sky
said Auto Standby could save enough energy to light all the homes in
Wolverhampton for a year. It could also cut UK carbon emissions by
32,000 tons a year.

It can be turned off in the menu, so that's what I'll be doing, I'll
decide when I want my box switched off. I don't want it ****ing up my
recordings, by firstly having an onscreen warning for three minutes,
before switching itself off.


You think it'll warn of shutdown DURING a recording ?
Surely recording counts as user-activity ?
Can't do any harm, as a spinning HDD is noisy and wasteful.
Lower electricity bills can't be so bad - albeit 50p.



Mark Hewitt March 20th 07 12:22 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.


The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.


The technology will be transmitted to Sky HD boxes from today and to
all Sky+ boxes from April - a total of more than two million. Sky said
Auto Standby could save enough energy to light all the homes in
Wolverhampton for a year. It could also cut UK carbon emissions by
32,000 tons a year.


TVDrive / V+ boxes have been doing this since launch a year ago.




Steve Bosman March 20th 07 12:39 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
On Mar 20, 9:49 am, "Ed" wrote:
The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.


In principle I agree with this change [1], but I'd like to know how it
copes with the situation of watching a long(ish) film (i.e. longer
than 2 hours) that ends after 11pm. I would hope for, but don't expect
to get, software clever enough to go into standby after the last
selected programme finishes.

Steve

[1] I tend to put the box into standby before I go to bed anyway
(maybe 5 days out of 7).


Mark Carver March 20th 07 12:52 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
On Mar 20, 11:39 am, "Steve Bosman" wrote:

[1] I tend to put the box into standby before I go to bed anyway
(maybe 5 days out of 7).


You only go to bed 5 days out of 7 ?


Mark Hewitt March 20th 07 01:28 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

"Steve Bosman" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 20, 9:49 am, "Ed" wrote:
The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.


In principle I agree with this change [1], but I'd like to know how it
copes with the situation of watching a long(ish) film (i.e. longer
than 2 hours) that ends after 11pm. I would hope for, but don't expect
to get, software clever enough to go into standby after the last
selected programme finishes.


I don't know how Sky works it, but what the Virgin V+ box does is that after
midnight if the box isn't being used it shuts down the hard drive and
various other bits, but it doesn't shut off the picture it just puts
"Resting" on the screen at the bottom left.



Roderick Stewart March 20th 07 01:35 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
On 20 Mar 2007 02:49:50 -0700, "Ed" wrote:

SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.

The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.


How on earth can a broadcaster detect whether a home receiver is being
"used" or not? When I'm "using" a receiver, either to watch a
programme directly, or to make a timed recording from it, I'm not
pushing any buttons or doing anything to it that could possibly be
sensed by the electronics.

Is it perhaps just a crude auto-off timer within the box, based on the
assumption that nobody watches anything longer than two hours, and
always indulges in channel-hopping between programmes? If so, I think
they'll just end up wasting even more time fending off complaints from
their customers who think their receivers have gone faulty, and
explaining to them how to switch this anoying feature off.

Rod.

RobertJM March 20th 07 01:39 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

"Steve Bosman" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 20, 9:49 am, "Ed" wrote:
The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.


In principle I agree with this change [1], but I'd like to know how it
copes with the situation of watching a long(ish) film (i.e. longer
than 2 hours) that ends after 11pm. I would hope for, but don't expect
to get, software clever enough to go into standby after the last
selected programme finishes.

Steve

[1] I tend to put the box into standby before I go to bed anyway
(maybe 5 days out of 7).

The box still records if you put it in standby, don't see it making any
difference that way.
The only thing that worries me is another software update, I'm sure this is
what causes my recordings to sometimes disappear!


--
RobertJM



Martin Underwood[_2_] March 20th 07 01:46 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
...
On 20 Mar 2007 02:49:50 -0700, "Ed" wrote:

SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.

The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.


How on earth can a broadcaster detect whether a home receiver is being
"used" or not? When I'm "using" a receiver, either to watch a
programme directly, or to make a timed recording from it, I'm not
pushing any buttons or doing anything to it that could possibly be
sensed by the electronics.


It's not that the broadcaster is sensing whether the receier is being used
after 11PM. I imagine that they will be broadcasting updated firmware over
teh next few weeks which all the boxes will use to reprogram themselves so
they have the auto-shutdown facility. Auto-shutdown probably relies on i) is
the box in full-on mode and ii) is it recording a timed event. If it's on
and recording, I'd sincerely hope it will continue working as normal. If
it's on but not recording (eg because you are watching but not recording)
then I'd expect it to flash a message "about to shutdown" which you can
override from your remote to give you another hour or so "stay of
execution". But if you are not using the box, either to record or to watch
live, why leave it fully on? Why not shut it down, as you would with a VCR
or a TV? Are Sky boxes different in that they will make a timed recording
even when they are left fully on, unlike VCRs which will only do so from
standby mode?



Ed March 20th 07 01:59 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
On Mar 20, 12:46 pm, "Martin Underwood" wrote:
"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message

...

On 20 Mar 2007 02:49:50 -0700, "Ed" wrote:


SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.


The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.


How on earth can a broadcaster detect whether a home receiver is being
"used" or not? When I'm "using" a receiver, either to watch a
programme directly, or to make a timed recording from it, I'm not
pushing any buttons or doing anything to it that could possibly be
sensed by the electronics.


It's not that the broadcaster is sensing whether the receier is being used
after 11PM. I imagine that they will be broadcasting updated firmware over
teh next few weeks which all the boxes will use to reprogram themselves so
they have the auto-shutdown facility. Auto-shutdown probably relies on i) is
the box in full-on mode and ii) is it recording a timed event. If it's on
and recording, I'd sincerely hope it will continue working as normal. If
it's on but not recording (eg because you are watching but not recording)
then I'd expect it to flash a message "about to shutdown" which you can
override from your remote to give you another hour or so "stay of
execution". But if you are not using the box, either to record or to watch
live, why leave it fully on? Why not shut it down, as you would with a VCR
or a TV? Are Sky boxes different in that they will make a timed recording
even when they are left fully on, unlike VCRs which will only do so from
standby mode?



It will surely not try to shut down if the same programme is being
watched. i.e. it will have to satisfy the following criteria before
shutting down
Is it past 11pm
Has two hours elapsed since last interaction (e.g. button being pressed on remote)
Has the programme being broadcast changed in the last two hours


Obviously many sports events and movies last over 2 hours and viewers
will not want a banner popping up in the middle saying the box is
going to go to sleep.


Adrian A March 20th 07 02:03 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
Ed wrote:
On Mar 20, 12:46 pm, "Martin Underwood" wrote:
"Roderick Stewart" wrote in
message

...

On 20 Mar 2007 02:49:50 -0700, "Ed" wrote:


SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by
£7.5MILLION
a year.


The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have
not
been used for two hours.


How on earth can a broadcaster detect whether a home receiver is
being "used" or not? When I'm "using" a receiver, either to watch a
programme directly, or to make a timed recording from it, I'm not
pushing any buttons or doing anything to it that could possibly be
sensed by the electronics.


It's not that the broadcaster is sensing whether the receier is
being used
after 11PM. I imagine that they will be broadcasting updated
firmware over
teh next few weeks which all the boxes will use to reprogram
themselves so
they have the auto-shutdown facility. Auto-shutdown probably relies
on i) is
the box in full-on mode and ii) is it recording a timed event. If
it's on
and recording, I'd sincerely hope it will continue working as
normal. If
it's on but not recording (eg because you are watching but not
recording)
then I'd expect it to flash a message "about to shutdown" which you
can
override from your remote to give you another hour or so "stay of
execution". But if you are not using the box, either to record or to
watch
live, why leave it fully on? Why not shut it down, as you would with
a VCR
or a TV? Are Sky boxes different in that they will make a timed
recording
even when they are left fully on, unlike VCRs which will only do so
from
standby mode?



It will surely not try to shut down if the same programme is being
watched. i.e. it will have to satisfy the following criteria before
shutting down
Is it past 11pm
Has two hours elapsed since last interaction (e.g. button being
pressed on remote) Has the programme being broadcast changed in the
last two hours


Obviously many sports events and movies last over 2 hours and viewers
will not want a banner popping up in the middle saying the box is
going to go to sleep.


Also it's not unheard of for people to watch consecutive programmes on the
same channel.



John Russell March 20th 07 02:27 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
What brings it out of Standby? And what's the problem with it being in
Standby until required all day? Surely most box's only ever get used during
the evening, other than weekends.



Roderick Stewart March 20th 07 02:28 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:03:10 -0000, "Adrian A"
wrote:

It will surely not try to shut down if the same programme is being
watched. i.e. it will have to satisfy the following criteria before
shutting down
Is it past 11pm
Has two hours elapsed since last interaction (e.g. button being
pressed on remote) Has the programme being broadcast changed in the
last two hours


Obviously many sports events and movies last over 2 hours and viewers
will not want a banner popping up in the middle saying the box is
going to go to sleep.


Also it's not unheard of for people to watch consecutive programmes on the
same channel.


I already have various bits of equipment such as computers, digital
cameras, phones, and yes TV recording machines - disk and tape - with
"auto-off" or "power save" features, but they're all just simple
timers. If this is all that Sky are proposing, then it's not exactly
new, and in all existing cases I can set the time interval myself or
switch it off. I'm glad I'm not a Sky customer.

Rod.

Andrew March 20th 07 02:29 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:27:09 -0000, "John Russell"
wrote:

What brings it out of Standby?


Presumably the user or a scheduled recording.

And what's the problem with it being in
Standby until required all day?


Nothing.

Surely most box's only ever get used during
the evening, other than weekends.


Yes, but a lot of people probably keep them running during the day
anyway.
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John Russell March 20th 07 02:35 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

Yes, but a lot of people probably keep them running during the day
anyway.

You mean some people just turn the TV off (sorry put it in standby) and
forget about the digibox?
So it's of no benefit to those of us who already put the box in standby
whenever we stop watching?
Why make such a big thing of this when the problem is the fact that even in
standby some power is still consummed? The Goverment has asked the industry
to look and minimisng the power thats' required in standby, not just
introducing Auto Standby.



Sean Black March 20th 07 02:59 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
In article , "For example:
John Smith" writes
Sean Black wrote:
In article . com, Ed
writes
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by
£7.5MILLION a year.

The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.

The technology will be transmitted to Sky HD boxes from today and to
all Sky+ boxes from April - a total of more than two million. Sky
said Auto Standby could save enough energy to light all the homes in
Wolverhampton for a year. It could also cut UK carbon emissions by
32,000 tons a year.

It can be turned off in the menu, so that's what I'll be doing, I'll
decide when I want my box switched off. I don't want it ****ing up my
recordings, by firstly having an onscreen warning for three minutes,
before switching itself off.


You think it'll warn of shutdown DURING a recording ?
Surely recording counts as user-activity ?
Can't do any harm, as a spinning HDD is noisy and wasteful.
Lower electricity bills can't be so bad - albeit 50p.


I doubt it'd shut down if it's recording itself (although I suppose you
can never be sure with any new Sky software :-) ) I was thinking more
when I am recording to an external device, TiVo, DVD Recorder etc...
--
Sean Black

Steve Bosman March 20th 07 03:10 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
On Mar 20, 11:52 am, "Mark Carver" wrote:
On Mar 20, 11:39 am, "Steve Bosman" wrote:

[1] I tend to put the box into standby before I go to bed anyway
(maybe 5 days out of 7).


You only go to bed 5 days out of 7 ?


I think you know what I mean :)


Terry[_2_] March 20th 07 03:11 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.


A lot of bull**** if you ask me !




Steve Morris March 20th 07 03:14 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.


Its about time they slashed their subscription charges, the robbing
ba**ards!





Steve Bosman March 20th 07 03:17 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
On Mar 20, 12:39 pm, "RobertJM"
wrote:
The box still records if you put it in standby, don't see it making any
difference that way.


I'm not worrying about recording. Films are one of the few types of
programmes I find myself watching late at night and I usually don't
record them. Around 10 I see something interesting is coming on and
switch over to it. If the autostandby becomes an issue I'll just have
to ensure I start films recording and start watching them through the
sky+ planner after a short delay.

The only thing that worries me is another software update, I'm sure this is
what causes my recordings to sometimes disappear!


fortunately that has never happened to me. I have had some scrambled
programmes before (the contents of some programmes got mixed
together), but I don't think they were update related.


steeler March 20th 07 03:52 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Mar 20, 10:20 am, "Ed" wrote:

I dont think there is much benefit turning off a regular box. It uses
almost no power. It is the hard disk in the plus and HD boxes that is
constantly turning as it buffers that uses the power.


No *less* power in standby I think you mean :-)

ISTR when I had Sky+ the HDD spun continuously whether the box was on
or standby, I assume that's now changed ?


Quite. It saves very little power on a standard dogibox. Plus standby
would **** with the auto-switch planner. Makes sense for sky+ as they are
designed to work in standby.



steeler March 20th 07 03:54 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

"Beck" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.
The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.
The technology will be transmitted to Sky HD boxes from today and to
all Sky+ boxes from April - a total of more than two million. Sky said
Auto Standby could save enough energy to light all the homes in
Wolverhampton for a year. It could also cut UK carbon emissions by
32,000 tons a year.


Great idea. The amount of difference between on and standby may not be
much, but collectively with all the thousands of boxes it will make a
difference.
Hope they brace themselves for zillions of support calls from people
saying their sky is shutting off overnight though.


Actually on a + box it cuts the power significantly, turning off the HDD and
the fan. I remember someone hooking it up to a meter and posting the
results.



steeler March 20th 07 03:56 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

"RobertJM" wrote in message
...

"Steve Bosman" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 20, 9:49 am, "Ed" wrote:
The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.


In principle I agree with this change [1], but I'd like to know how it
copes with the situation of watching a long(ish) film (i.e. longer
than 2 hours) that ends after 11pm. I would hope for, but don't expect
to get, software clever enough to go into standby after the last
selected programme finishes.

Steve

[1] I tend to put the box into standby before I go to bed anyway
(maybe 5 days out of 7).

The box still records if you put it in standby, don't see it making any
difference that way.
The only thing that worries me is another software update, I'm sure this
is what causes my recordings to sometimes disappear!


Well it is likely to be part of the major update when anytime launches.
(even non-PVR3 boxes will need an update to tell it to ignore anytime
flags).



Dave Fawthrop March 20th 07 03:58 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:52:36 GMT, "steeler" wrote:

|!
|!"Mark Carver" wrote in message
oups.com...
|! On Mar 20, 10:20 am, "Ed" wrote:
|!
|! I dont think there is much benefit turning off a regular box. It uses
|! almost no power. It is the hard disk in the plus and HD boxes that is
|! constantly turning as it buffers that uses the power.
|!
|! No *less* power in standby I think you mean :-)
|!
|! ISTR when I had Sky+ the HDD spun continuously whether the box was on
|! or standby, I assume that's now changed ?
|!
|!
|!Quite. It saves very little power on a standard dogibox. Plus standby
|!would **** with the auto-switch planner. Makes sense for sky+ as they are
|!designed to work in standby.

If there were rules to say that " the standby current taken by any device
using Infra Red controls must be less than 1 watt", that would cure the
problem and not be difficult or expensive to do.
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steeler March 20th 07 04:00 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

"John Russell" wrote in message
...

Yes, but a lot of people probably keep them running during the day
anyway.

You mean some people just turn the TV off (sorry put it in standby) and
forget about the digibox?
So it's of no benefit to those of us who already put the box in standby
whenever we stop watching?
Why make such a big thing of this when the problem is the fact that even
in standby some power is still consummed? The Goverment has asked the
industry to look and minimisng the power thats' required in standby, not
just introducing Auto Standby.


The power saving even in standby is worthwhile. It is true though that it
is only useful in stopping the idiots who never switch the box off (it is
not just that they are too lazy to press a button, more that it never occurs
to them).

As for the TV - I never switch min off - but then it only uses 3W in
standby.



steeler March 20th 07 04:01 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

"Terry" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.


A lot of bull**** if you ask me !


If you can't back it up then nobody will.



Conor March 20th 07 04:12 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 
In article . com, Ed
says...
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.

The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.

How does that work? I can be watching a film over two hours long or
simply a string of programmes without needing to change channel. Does
this now mean my viewing is to be interrupted?


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until you hear them speak.........

Mark Carver March 20th 07 04:58 PM

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On Mar 20, 2:58 pm, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:

If there were rules to say that " the standby current taken by any device
using Infra Red controls must be less than 1 watt", that would cure the
problem and not be difficult or expensive to do.


It would require (for Sky) a complete rethink on how their ongoing
subscription key authentication, and OTA software updating functions.
Both of those rely heavily on the assumption that the digibox is
listening 24/7 to a Sky Platform transponder. In other words the box
should have continuous access to the BSkyB SI stream. That requires
the tuner and LNB to be permanently active, hence, to within a watt,
the same power consumption 'on' or 'standby'.


Mark Carver March 20th 07 05:10 PM

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On Mar 20, 3:12 pm, Conor wrote:

How does that work? I can be watching a film over two hours long or
simply a string of programmes without needing to change channel. Does
this now mean my viewing is to be interrupted?


There's only one way it can work. It will sense whether you have
operated any remote control buttons in the last two hours.

Remember, these medja-studies zombies that manage broadcasting now,
imagine our attention span is the same as theirs, about 20 seconds.
That's why we have all those DOGs, end credit violations, and
continuity announcers shouting at us.

The idea that anybody should sit for two hours and not touch their
remote is totally alien to them.


Dave Fawthrop March 20th 07 05:27 PM

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On 20 Mar 2007 08:58:31 -0700, "Mark Carver" wrote:

|!On Mar 20, 2:58 pm, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:
|!
|! If there were rules to say that " the standby current taken by any device
|! using Infra Red controls must be less than 1 watt", that would cure the
|! problem and not be difficult or expensive to do.
|!
|!It would require (for Sky) a complete rethink on how their ongoing
|!subscription key authentication, and OTA software updating functions.
|!Both of those rely heavily on the assumption that the digibox is
|!listening 24/7 to a Sky Platform transponder. In other words the box
|!should have continuous access to the BSkyB SI stream. That requires
|!the tuner and LNB to be permanently active, hence, to within a watt,
|!the same power consumption 'on' or 'standby'.

More fool $ky for not looking ahead.
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Mark Carver March 20th 07 06:16 PM

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Rick Marks wrote:
On 20 Mar 2007 02:49:50 -0700, "Ed" wrote:


The technology will be transmitted to Sky HD boxes from today and to
all Sky+ boxes from April - a total of more than two million. Sky said
Auto Standby could save enough energy to light all the homes in
Wolverhampton for a year. It could also cut UK carbon emissions by
32,000 tons a year.


They have electricity in Wolverhampton?


They will now.

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Light of Aria March 20th 07 07:20 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

"steeler" wrote in message
.. .

"Beck" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.
The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.
The technology will be transmitted to Sky HD boxes from today and to
all Sky+ boxes from April - a total of more than two million. Sky said
Auto Standby could save enough energy to light all the homes in
Wolverhampton for a year. It could also cut UK carbon emissions by
32,000 tons a year.


Great idea. The amount of difference between on and standby may not be
much, but collectively with all the thousands of boxes it will make a
difference.
Hope they brace themselves for zillions of support calls from people
saying their sky is shutting off overnight though.


Actually on a + box it cuts the power significantly, turning off the HDD
and the fan. I remember someone hooking it up to a meter and posting the
results.



I have just down an experiment on my 500 VA UPS power supply system with my
setup which includes a Pentium IV 2.4 processor and 3 hard disks. My UPS has
a remote power meter management application.

With just the main hard drive running, the load was 17%.

Spin up drive 2 (+1), the load was 18%.

Spin up drive 3 (+1 and 2), the load was 19%.

Turn on the 15 watt low energy light bulb (also on my UPS) the load goes to
22%.

Ergo very subjectively and approximately 1% = about 5 watts which sounds
about right for my disk drives each.

I've had all 3 drives on for 3 years, LOL, but I've recently enabled the
power management to spin down unused drives after 10 minutes of inactivity
really to reduce heat and that awful whining noise one of the drives makes.

Anyway, nice to know I am saving a whopping 10 watts of energy even though I
doubt it covers the cost of my UPSs.

;-)

Hope this adds / helps.




Paul Hyett March 20th 07 07:35 PM

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In uk.tech.tv.sky on Tue, 20 Mar 2007, Mark Carver wrote :
On Mar 20, 9:49 am, "Ed" wrote:
SKY is to introduce technology that automatically switches digital
boxes to standby mode overnight - slashing energy bills by £7.5MILLION
a year.

The boxes will go to "sleep" after 11pm if they detect they have not
been used for two hours.

The technology will be transmitted to Sky HD boxes from today and to
all Sky+ boxes from April - a total of more than two million. Sky said
Auto Standby could save enough energy to light all the homes in
Wolverhampton for a year. It could also cut UK carbon emissions by
32,000 tons a year.


Just Sky+ boxes then ? I hope so, it'll cause chaos for communal
systems etc if it's introduced to standard boxes.


Not to mention I often record several hours of the music channels
overnight - the above will screw that up! :(
--
Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett

Bill Wright March 20th 07 07:39 PM

Sky 'auto standby' to roll out from today
 

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
Sky said

Auto Standby could save enough energy to light all the homes in
Wolverhampton for a year.

But they already have lights in Wolverhampton.

Bill



Enzo Matrix March 20th 07 07:45 PM

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Mike Henry wrote:
In , "Beck"
wrote:

Hope they brace themselves for zillions of support calls from people
saying their sky is shutting off overnight though.


They'll be pleased - remember, they made a PROFIT from their 0870
numbers. Every incoming call is more money for them.


No doubt that's why they do it!


--
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I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.





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