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Letterbox is annoying, even on new 61" TV!
dgates wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:44:10 -0400, Tom Stiller wrote: In article , dgates wrote: I never heard about 1:1. But I'm sure I'd be just fine if all movies and TV shows ever filmed and recorded were 4x3. What's magic about 4:3? I've got two eyes placed bilaterally so 2:1 makes more sense to me. I would also be fine if all movies and TV shows ever filmed and recorded were 2:1. It's the consistency I want, more than any particular ratio. What other tools would you take away from directors and cinematographers? How about being consistent and banning black and white movies? Ban soft focus lenses. Ban false color. Ban allegory. Specify a minimum number of explosions per film. Ban swear words. Ban nudity. Ban plot twists. Ban on screen murders. Ban elliptical story telling. Ban symbolism. Ban documentaries. Ban subtitles. Ban flash backs. Ban flash forwards. Ban creativity. Grow up. Watch the movie, not the black parts of your screen. Matthew -- I'm a consultant. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one. Which one do you want? |
Letterbox is annoying, even on new 61" TV!
YOU are right!! I have a similar problem with folks who do not know how to
pluralize words. Even TV news and the Chyron operator's (oops shud be operators). WayneD "Tom Stiller" wrote in message ... In article [email protected], "WGD" wrote: The writer is correct noting lose of quality in the zoom mode particularly when viewing large screens. This may be less of a problem as we eventually move over to BluRay and HD-DVD. For my office 32" LCD, the 2x zoom mode is fine. What is it about the words "lose", "loose", and "loss" that makes it so difficult for people to get it right? -- Tom Stiller PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF |
Letterbox is annoying, even on new 61" TV!
Big Boy wrote:
David Zinck wrote: Peter H. Coffin wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:03:00 -0400, Tom Stiller wrote: In article [email protected], "WGD" wrote: The writer is correct noting lose of quality in the zoom mode particularly when viewing large screens. This may be less of a problem as we eventually move over to BluRay and HD-DVD. For my office 32" LCD, the 2x zoom mode is fine. What is it about the words "lose", "loose", and "loss" that makes it so difficult for people to get it right? Their morons. (; Your right. The problem is (of course) that your attempt at grammatical humor, probably, went right over the heads of those for whom it was intended. However, I must admit that it afforded me a little chuckle. BB If your right don't work, try your left. Most people have more than one. |
Letterbox is annoying, even on new 61" TV!
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:04:21 +0000, David Zinck wrote:
Peter H. Coffin wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:03:00 -0400, Tom Stiller wrote: In article [email protected], "WGD" wrote: The writer is correct noting lose of quality in the zoom mode particularly when viewing large screens. This may be less of a problem as we eventually move over to BluRay and HD-DVD. For my office 32" LCD, the 2x zoom mode is fine. What is it about the words "lose", "loose", and "loss" that makes it so difficult for people to get it right? Their morons. (; Your right. If you're going to nitpick others about spelling, it helps to use proper english yourself. You're wrong with "Your right" unless you're marching.:-) And I wonder whos morons the other person was talking about. Perhaps he meant They're morons instead of "Their morons".:-) -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Letterbox is annoying, even on new 61" TV!
In article [email protected],
Wes Newell wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:04:21 +0000, David Zinck wrote: Peter H. Coffin wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:03:00 -0400, Tom Stiller wrote: In article [email protected], "WGD" wrote: The writer is correct noting lose of quality in the zoom mode particularly when viewing large screens. This may be less of a problem as we eventually move over to BluRay and HD-DVD. For my office 32" LCD, the 2x zoom mode is fine. What is it about the words "lose", "loose", and "loss" that makes it so difficult for people to get it right? Their morons. (; Your right. If you're going to nitpick others about spelling, it helps to use proper english yourself. You're wrong with "Your right" unless you're marching.:-) And I wonder whos morons the other person was talking about. Perhaps he meant They're morons instead of "Their morons".:-) None of the referenced words was misspelled, simply used incorrectly. I guess you can't recognize humor, even when it's flagged with an emoticon. -- Tom Stiller PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF |
Letterbox is annoying, even on new 61" TV!
In article ,
"Matthew L. Martin" wrote: What other tools would you take away from directors and cinematographers? How about being consistent and banning black and white movies? Ban soft focus lenses. Ban false color. Ban allegory. Specify a minimum number of explosions per film. Ban swear words. Ban nudity. Ban plot twists. Ban on screen murders. Ban elliptical story telling. Ban symbolism. Ban documentaries. Ban subtitles. Ban flash backs. Ban flash forwards. I'm all for banning allegory. I like 1:85 as a screen ratio, myself. Bugger these Eurowimps. Cinemascope was just an aberration to compete with tv, so bugger that too. -- W. Oates |
Letterbox is annoying, even on new 61" TV!
David Azose wrote:
Alan, Your reply was the most cogent of all in explaining aspect ratios (I have to admit I had no idea that there were several "wide screen" aspect ratios available to directors), so I hope you don't mind my jumping in and asking a question My question relates to viewing HDTVs in the stores. They always seem to be distorted, much more elongated than normal. I assume it is because the program source is NOT one of the wide screen aspect ratios, and the store sets up the TV to fill the screen horizontally but leaving black bars above and below the picture. So my question is can most (all?) HDTVs be set up such that when a SD program is being watched the bars are on each side and the SD aspect ratio (I assume 4:3) is displayed? I hope so. The elongated distortion distracts from the program. Thanks for any information you might have. David Azose Yes, all HDTVs that I know of provide for zoom and stretch options for SD 4:3 input. Sometimes the set top box for cable & satellite systems have zoom & stretch options, so you can get confused about which is distorting the picture. I leave 4:3 SD channels unstretched on my Panasonic plasma most of the time. However, some shows are letterboxed on the SD channel. That is, the show is shot 16:9, but because it is on a analog or digital SD channel, it shown letterboxed. But on a 16:9 TV, the result is a window boxed (black bars on all sides) presentation. For example, Sci-Fi and Fx channels do this for most if not of all their original programming (BattleStar Galatica, SG-1, SG: A, Dirt, etc) because these shows are actually shot in 16:9 HD. But neither Sci-Fi or FX yet have an simulcast HD channel (both have been announced for later in 2007), so all these shows are letterboxed which end up windowboxed on a 16:9 TV. Most HD TVs have a 16:9 zoom option which zooms the windowboxed 16:9 SD material to the full screen. Looks fuzzy because it is SD zoomed up, but it does fill the screen. Because I use closed captioning, this has drawbacks because it places some of the captioning outside of the displayed screen. This is easier to understand with pictures and diagrams! :) However, not all HD TVs have the ability to zoom or stretch HD channels. My 2+ year Panasonic plasma does not. (The stretch feature for HD signals was added to the next model year to the consumer Panasonics). So if I have a 4:3 source SD program on the HD channel which has been upconverted, I can not stretch it. No biggie because I don't care for distorted pictures anyway. I simply do not understand why some people get so wrapped up about black bars on their TV. TNT-HD is infamous in responding to this because they stretch all upconverted 4:3 material on their HD channel. It looks awful. TNT-HD will show a movie in true HD with a 2:35:1 OAR (Mission Impossible 2 has been running this way recently) and then will show a upconverted cropped SD movie stretched to fill the screen. So if you are looking at an SD TV show or a movie on TNT-HD which looks distorted, it is not your set, it is TNT-HD. Several web sites on film aspect ratios: http://www.technosound.co.uk/nav.php...hcg_widescreen http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...reenorama.html http://www.rexer.com/cine/oar.htm Hope this helps more than it confuses! Alan F |
Letterbox is annoying, even on new 61" TV!
"James Egan" wrote in message
. .. On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:27:51 -0700, Richard C. wrote: ========================= Many movies are 2.35:1/2.40:1. They will be letterboxed even on a 16:9 (1.78:1) set. There is nothing wrong with that. It is a wonderful thing! Besides, that still uses about 75% of the screen (which is more than half). Zooming or worrying about black bars is a fools game. ========================== I think directors think that letterbox is wonderful, and everyone that watches their movies doesn't. g ============================ No - most movie lovers appreciate OAR, whatever it is. ============================= Some of them are REALLY ridiculous. The movie Troy looked like I was loosing 40-50% of the picture. The good thing is on a 61" set, the picture is really large to begin with! ======================= Watch the movie - not your screen. |
Letterbox is annoying, even on new 61" TV!
"dgates" wrote in message
... On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:44:10 -0400, Tom Stiller wrote: In article , dgates wrote: I never heard about 1:1. But I'm sure I'd be just fine if all movies and TV shows ever filmed and recorded were 4x3. What's magic about 4:3? I've got two eyes placed bilaterally so 2:1 makes more sense to me. I would also be fine if all movies and TV shows ever filmed and recorded were 2:1. It's the consistency I want, more than any particular ratio. ====================== It would be even more consistant if all movies had the same script writers and actors! Variety is G O O D! Use of the visual pallete is a wonderful thing. |
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