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somebody March 13th 07 03:42 AM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
Can anyone provide me with UNBIASED statistics about which
format is winning? Go HD-DVD!


-Thanks


somebody March 13th 07 03:43 AM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:42:04 -0400, somebody wrote:

Can anyone provide me with UNBIASED statistics about which
format is winning? Go HD-DVD!


-Thanks



I neglected to mention I spoke to a retailer in Europe who
said that HD-DVD is winning over there.

Guest[_2_] March 13th 07 06:07 AM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 

"somebody" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:42:04 -0400, somebody wrote:

Can anyone provide me with UNBIASED statistics about which
format is winning? Go HD-DVD!


-Thanks



I neglected to mention I spoke to a retailer in Europe who
said that HD-DVD is winning over there.


Who gives a ****? Which ever video format wins does not affect the
videogame world.



Jack Hollis March 13th 07 04:55 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:07:34 -0400, "Guest" wrote:

I neglected to mention I spoke to a retailer in Europe who
said that HD-DVD is winning over there.


Who gives a ****? Which ever video format wins does not affect the
videogame world.



Not true. One of the reasons that I was happy to buy my kids the PS2
was because it was also a DVD player. I decided to opt out on the PS3
because I didn't want to commit to the Blu-Ray format. I assume that
some of the problems with PS3 sales has to do with the format war.

Right now, my kids (raised on PS2) would much prefer the Wii because
that's what all their friends have. Obviously, console sales also
effect game sales. Rumor has it that Wii will soon offer a HD-DVD
option and if they do, that will be another nail in the Blu-Ray
coffin.

Also, XBox 360 has sold over 10 million units. I don't know how many
of them sold with the HD-DVD player, but that is one factor that gives
HD-DVD the edge at this time. HD-DVD has more units in homes now than
Blu-Ray.

A final factor in HD-DVD favor is that the porn industry has decided
to use the HD-DVD format. The porn industry is bigger than the legit
film industry and this will also effect what hardware people want to
buy. The porn industries' use of VHS in favor of Betamax was a factor
in the Betamax's demise.

Richard March 13th 07 05:50 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
Info on porn and HD-DVD is not accurate. Industry is releasing in both
formats but most are focused on Blu Ray. I doubt this will have much impact
either way, it is not the good old VHS days of old to be repeated.

Sales of disks in Europe are skewed by the fact that the PS3 has not been
released there yet. PS3 in North America has skewed sales of disks 2:1 in
favor of Blu Ray, at least over the past two months. At least in North
America, Blu Ray is in solid, there is now a big question about the
viability of HD-DVD. I think conventional DVD's on my OPPO player look good
enough for now.

Richard.



Jack Hollis March 13th 07 09:31 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:50:49 -0400, "Richard"
wrote:

Info on porn and HD-DVD is not accurate. Industry is releasing in both
formats but most are focused on Blu Ray. I doubt this will have much impact
either way, it is not the good old VHS days of old to be repeated.



The industry conference in January seemed to point to the porn being
released in HD-DVD. I don't think that Blu-Ray is totally out of the
picture, but most porn producers are going with HD-DVD.

I don't have either player, but I can tell you from the T&A bikini
stuff on HDTV, and the nude scenes in HD R rated movies, that when
people see porn in HD they will want it. It's really a step up from
the SD DVD format and from the stuff you download over the Internet.

The porn industry could decide the battle, or at least prolong it for
years to come. The big winner will be the company who can come to
market with a reasonably priced player that can handle both formats.

Roger March 14th 07 08:53 AM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:42:04 -0400, somebody wrote:

Can anyone provide me with UNBIASED statistics about which
format is winning? Go HD-DVD!


There's a reason drives are now coming out that will read both.
So far I don't see any one pulling into the lead reguardless of which
is better.




-Thanks

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Khee Mao March 14th 07 09:19 AM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 

"somebody" wrote in message
...
Can anyone provide me with UNBIASED statistics about which
format is winning? Go HD-DVD!


-Thanks


I have both formats, therefo

I AM THE WINNER!



Richard March 14th 07 02:06 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
The "real story:

Sony had a policy in place against mastering blu-ray titles for the porn
industry. Thus the industry announced that it was going to release its
initial product in the HD-DVD format. Soon after this news went public the
Sony policy was changed. Today, with Blu-Ray disk sales 2:1 against HD-DVD,
and with the ability to master in either format, do you really think the
industry will avoid releasing product in the Blu-Ray format?

Richard.



Wes Newell March 14th 07 03:02 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:06:42 -0400, Richard wrote:

The "real story:

Sony had a policy in place against mastering blu-ray titles for the porn
industry. Thus the industry announced that it was going to release its
initial product in the HD-DVD format. Soon after this news went public the
Sony policy was changed. Today, with Blu-Ray disk sales 2:1 against HD-DVD,
and with the ability to master in either format, do you really think the
industry will avoid releasing product in the Blu-Ray format?

Let's see. The only reason they now support me is because someone else
did. Before that they wanted to put me out of business. So now I should
support them and maybe drive my original supporter out of business so they
can then put me out of business if they chose too. Hmmm...:-)

On a personal note, I don't care about the porn industry. But I sure as
hell wouldn't produce any porn on Sony format.

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stevev March 14th 07 05:08 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 

"somebody" wrote in message
...
Can anyone provide me with UNBIASED statistics about which
format is winning? Go HD-DVD!


-Thanks


Probably won't answer the question, but it's a interesting read:
http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/b...on-s-division/



stevev March 14th 07 05:25 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 

"stevev" wrote in message
t...

"somebody" wrote in message
...
Can anyone provide me with UNBIASED statistics about which
format is winning? Go HD-DVD!


-Thanks


Probably won't answer the question, but it's a interesting read:
http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/b...on-s-division/


Edit: Or for a quirky comparison of current sales at Amazon go he
http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/



Jeff Shoaf March 14th 07 05:58 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
stevev wrote:
"somebody" wrote in message
...
Can anyone provide me with UNBIASED statistics about which
format is winning? Go HD-DVD!


-Thanks


Probably won't answer the question, but it's a interesting read:
http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/b...on-s-division/



That's from 2005...

Jack Hollis March 14th 07 06:18 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:06:42 -0400, "Richard"
wrote:

Today, with Blu-Ray disk sales 2:1 against HD-DVD,


This is probably an artifact due to the release of PS3. Most people
will buy a Blu-Ray movie when they buy a PS3. You know, I got a
Blu-Ray drive so I have to buy a Blu-Ray movie to see how it works.
When PS3 sales level off, so will the Blu-Ray sales. There are still
more HD-DVD players in homes.

Jack Hollis March 14th 07 06:25 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:02:03 GMT, Wes Newell
wrote:

The "real story:

Sony had a policy in place against mastering blu-ray titles for the porn
industry. Thus the industry announced that it was going to release its
initial product in the HD-DVD format. Soon after this news went public the
Sony policy was changed. Today, with Blu-Ray disk sales 2:1 against HD-DVD,
and with the ability to master in either format, do you really think the
industry will avoid releasing product in the Blu-Ray format?

Let's see. The only reason they now support me is because someone else
did. Before that they wanted to put me out of business. So now I should
support them and maybe drive my original supporter out of business so they
can then put me out of business if they chose too. Hmmm...:-)

On a personal note, I don't care about the porn industry. But I sure as
hell wouldn't produce any porn on Sony format.



The porn industry has a lot of small operations that produce two or
three movies a week and they want their stuff on the shelf as soon as
possible. They will go with HD-DVD because it's cheaper and faster to
market.

The bigger porn producers who can afford to spend more money might
decide to use Blu-Ray because it offers the possibility of more
features, like different camera angles on the same shot.

In business, loyalty usually is trumped by profits. If the porn
industry realizes it can make more money by using Blu-Ray it will use
it.

stevev March 14th 07 10:29 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 

"Jeff Shoaf" wrote in message
...
stevev wrote:
"somebody" wrote in message
...
Can anyone provide me with UNBIASED statistics about which
format is winning? Go HD-DVD!


-Thanks


Probably won't answer the question, but it's a interesting read:
http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/b...on-s-division/


That's from 2005...



I realize that. I was offered for background information only. I think the
bottom line is that, at this point in time, there is no clear winner. From
reading the information on these and many other links one can conclude that
the "format"...the "technology"...is probably not going to determine the
winner. Money is! Which format gains market share, and how they go about
it, will determine the winner. For now I agree with those taking a
wait-and-see attitude.



Jeff Shoaf March 14th 07 10:57 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
stevev wrote:
"Jeff Shoaf" wrote in message
...
stevev wrote:
"somebody" wrote in message
...
Can anyone provide me with UNBIASED statistics about which
format is winning? Go HD-DVD!


-Thanks

Probably won't answer the question, but it's a interesting read:
http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/b...on-s-division/

That's from 2005...



I realize that. I was offered for background information only. I think the
bottom line is that, at this point in time, there is no clear winner. From
reading the information on these and many other links one can conclude that
the "format"...the "technology"...is probably not going to determine the
winner. Money is! Which format gains market share, and how they go about
it, will determine the winner. For now I agree with those taking a
wait-and-see attitude.



A year and 1/2 is a long time in consumer electronics... I bought a new
receiver in December to gain more digital audio inputs and a new TV in
January to gain HDMI inputs in preparation to get HD-DVD or Blue-Ray. At
that time, HD-DVD players had been announced that gave that format a
decided price advantage for the players and I was leaning that way, but
the upscaler in the new TV does such a good job on regular DVDs that I
decided to hold off, not so much due to the cost of the players - and I
can get Toshiba's HD-A2 for $425 or HD-D1 for $330 and Sony has
announced a Blu-Ray player with a list price around $600 - but due to
the cost of the disks.

From what I've read, the quality of the mastering of the disks varies
greatly and I just can't see paying a premium for a disk that may look
worse on my upscaling TV than the same movie on a regular DVD.

Jack Hollis March 14th 07 11:04 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:29:43 GMT, "stevev"
wrote:

I realize that. I was offered for background information only. I think the
bottom line is that, at this point in time, there is no clear winner. From
reading the information on these and many other links one can conclude that
the "format"...the "technology"...is probably not going to determine the
winner. Money is! Which format gains market share, and how they go about
it, will determine the winner. For now I agree with those taking a
wait-and-see attitude.


If the matter isn't settled before someone comes out with a $200 -
$300 dual player, then it's possible that both formats will survive.
If that happens, PS3 will be in trouble (or more trouble) because
people wont want to pay $600 for a gaming console if they already have
a Blu-Ray player. What a freaking headache it is to be in the
consumer electronics business.

Jim Gilliland March 14th 07 11:12 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
stevev wrote:

Which format gains market share, and how they go about
it, will determine the winner. For now I agree with those taking a
wait-and-see attitude.


There won't be a winner. Is there a winner between DVD+R and DVD-R? No, they
coexist in the market because they are more or less interchangeable, and the
drives on the market today can handle both formats.

The same will come true for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

If it doesn't, then the other possible comparison is the competition between
SACD and DVD-Audio. While there are players that will support both of these
formats, the basic outcome of the "war" between them is that they are both
losers. That's the other possible outcome for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

How many SACDs are in your record collection? How many DVD-Audio discs? (For
me the answers are 2 and 1, respectively. And that's a lot more than most people.)

They'll either both win, or they'll both lose. I'm betting that they'll both
win - but not until you can easily buy an affordable player that supports both
formats.

Mac Cool March 15th 07 08:34 AM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
Jack Hollis:

Today, with Blu-Ray disk sales 2:1 against HD-DVD,


This is probably an artifact due to the release of PS3. Most people
will buy a Blu-Ray movie when they buy a PS3. You know, I got a
Blu-Ray drive so I have to buy a Blu-Ray movie to see how it works.
When PS3 sales level off, so will the Blu-Ray sales. There are still
more HD-DVD players in homes.


Didn't the PS/3 buyers get a coupon for a free bluray? I imagine this
accounts for many of the sales. And the 2:1 is only over a 6 week period
to my understanding.

--
Mac Cool

Jack Hollis March 15th 07 05:02 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
On 15 Mar 2007 07:34:07 GMT, Mac Cool wrote:

Jack Hollis:

Today, with Blu-Ray disk sales 2:1 against HD-DVD,


This is probably an artifact due to the release of PS3. Most people
will buy a Blu-Ray movie when they buy a PS3. You know, I got a
Blu-Ray drive so I have to buy a Blu-Ray movie to see how it works.
When PS3 sales level off, so will the Blu-Ray sales. There are still
more HD-DVD players in homes.


Didn't the PS/3 buyers get a coupon for a free bluray? I imagine this
accounts for many of the sales. And the 2:1 is only over a 6 week period
to my understanding.

--
Mac Cool



It makes sense that a huge influx of Blu-Ray players would result in a
huge rise in people buying Blu-Ray discs. It's most likely an initial
spike that will even out in a few months.

One of the things that will hurt Blu-Ray is the dismal sales of PS3.
I'm sure Sony thought that the PS3 would perhaps be the deciding
factor in the disc wars and it hasn't worked out that way. Only one
PS3 game title is in the current top 10. Ironically, there are two
PS2 titles there. Right now, game developers will become more
interested in having their games out for the Wii.

Sony is lucky that Nintendo didn't offer a HD-DVD option for the Wii.
If they did that, the war could already be over and PS3 sales would be
even worse than they are. In any case, Nintendo must be in a state of
bliss over their new dominance in the game console business.

Stay tuned.

Dave Oldridge March 16th 07 04:06 AM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
Jack Hollis wrote in
:

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:07:34 -0400, "Guest" wrote:

I neglected to mention I spoke to a retailer in Europe who
said that HD-DVD is winning over there.


Who gives a ****? Which ever video format wins does not affect the
videogame world.



Not true. One of the reasons that I was happy to buy my kids the PS2
was because it was also a DVD player. I decided to opt out on the PS3
because I didn't want to commit to the Blu-Ray format. I assume that
some of the problems with PS3 sales has to do with the format war.


LG has a new model that plays both formats.



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ICQ 1800667

Camper March 16th 07 01:32 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 

"Jack Hollis" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:02:03 GMT, Wes Newell
wrote:

The "real story:

Sony had a policy in place against mastering blu-ray titles for the porn
industry. Thus the industry announced that it was going to release its
initial product in the HD-DVD format. Soon after this news went public
the
Sony policy was changed. Today, with Blu-Ray disk sales 2:1 against
HD-DVD,
and with the ability to master in either format, do you really think the
industry will avoid releasing product in the Blu-Ray format?

Let's see. The only reason they now support me is because someone else
did. Before that they wanted to put me out of business. So now I should
support them and maybe drive my original supporter out of business so they
can then put me out of business if they chose too. Hmmm...:-)

On a personal note, I don't care about the porn industry. But I sure as
hell wouldn't produce any porn on Sony format.



The porn industry has a lot of small operations that produce two or
three movies a week and they want their stuff on the shelf as soon as
possible. They will go with HD-DVD because it's cheaper and faster to
market.

The bigger porn producers who can afford to spend more money might
decide to use Blu-Ray because it offers the possibility of more
features, like different camera angles on the same shot.

In business, loyalty usually is trumped by profits. If the porn
industry realizes it can make more money by using Blu-Ray it will use
it.


So what you are saying is if there are 10 million blue ray players in the
market and say 2 million HD-DVD the porn industry will not cater for the
market with 5 times as many potential customers? I think not!



Camper March 16th 07 01:33 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 

"khee mao" wrote in message
news:[email protected] .com...

"somebody" wrote in message
...
Can anyone provide me with UNBIASED statistics about which
format is winning? Go HD-DVD!


-Thanks


I have both formats, therefo

I AM THE WINNER!


Bet your wallet's not!



tooloud March 16th 07 11:42 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
Dave Oldridge wrote:
Jack Hollis wrote in
:

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:07:34 -0400, "Guest" wrote:

I neglected to mention I spoke to a retailer in Europe who
said that HD-DVD is winning over there.

Who gives a ****? Which ever video format wins does not affect the
videogame world.



Not true. One of the reasons that I was happy to buy my kids the PS2
was because it was also a DVD player. I decided to opt out on the
PS3 because I didn't want to commit to the Blu-Ray format. I assume
that some of the problems with PS3 sales has to do with the format
war.


LG has a new model that plays both formats.


Actually, they don't, as long as you consider "LG has a new model" to mean
that there's someplace you can purchase one.

--
tooloud
Remove nothing to reply



Matthew L. Martin March 16th 07 11:51 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
tooloud wrote:
Dave Oldridge wrote:
Jack Hollis wrote in
:

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:07:34 -0400, "Guest" wrote:

I neglected to mention I spoke to a retailer in Europe who
said that HD-DVD is winning over there.
Who gives a ****? Which ever video format wins does not affect the
videogame world.

Not true. One of the reasons that I was happy to buy my kids the PS2
was because it was also a DVD player. I decided to opt out on the
PS3 because I didn't want to commit to the Blu-Ray format. I assume
that some of the problems with PS3 sales has to do with the format
war.

LG has a new model that plays both formats.


Actually, they don't, as long as you consider "LG has a new model" to mean
that there's someplace you can purchase one.


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8203311&st=hd-dvd&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1165610378688

Matthew

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james March 17th 07 02:04 AM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
Saw one in my local Best Buy. Decent looking unit. But, not worth $1,200.00
to me.
I think I'll sit this one out for a while.
james

"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in message
...
tooloud wrote:
Dave Oldridge wrote:
Jack Hollis wrote in
:

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:07:34 -0400, "Guest" wrote:

I neglected to mention I spoke to a retailer in Europe who
said that HD-DVD is winning over there.
Who gives a ****? Which ever video format wins does not affect the
videogame world.

Not true. One of the reasons that I was happy to buy my kids the PS2
was because it was also a DVD player. I decided to opt out on the
PS3 because I didn't want to commit to the Blu-Ray format. I assume
that some of the problems with PS3 sales has to do with the format
war.
LG has a new model that plays both formats.


Actually, they don't, as long as you consider "LG has a new model" to
mean that there's someplace you can purchase one.


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8203311&st=hd-dvd&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1165610378688

Matthew

--
I'm a consultant. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one.
Which one do you want?




BT March 17th 07 06:04 AM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
khee mao wrote:
"somebody" wrote in message
...
Can anyone provide me with UNBIASED statistics about which
format is winning? Go HD-DVD!


-Thanks


I have both formats, therefo

I AM THE WINNER!



So which Do You like better?

Guest[_2_] March 17th 07 06:21 AM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 

"Jack Hollis" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:07:34 -0400, "Guest" wrote:

I neglected to mention I spoke to a retailer in Europe who
said that HD-DVD is winning over there.


Who gives a ****? Which ever video format wins does not affect the
videogame world.



Not true. One of the reasons that I was happy to buy my kids the PS2
was because it was also a DVD player. I decided to opt out on the PS3
because I didn't want to commit to the Blu-Ray format. I assume that
some of the problems with PS3 sales has to do with the format war.

Right now, my kids (raised on PS2) would much prefer the Wii because
that's what all their friends have. Obviously, console sales also
effect game sales. Rumor has it that Wii will soon offer a HD-DVD
option and if they do, that will be another nail in the Blu-Ray
coffin.


The Wii cannot handle HD-DVD. It is just an overclocked Gamecube. This is
why it has no HD now...


Also, XBox 360 has sold over 10 million units. I don't know how many
of them sold with the HD-DVD player, but that is one factor that gives
HD-DVD the edge at this time. HD-DVD has more units in homes now than
Blu-Ray.


Again, storage space would be the only conern for games. If HD-DVD loses,
then the discs would still be useful for games.


A final factor in HD-DVD favor is that the porn industry has decided
to use the HD-DVD format. The porn industry is bigger than the legit
film industry and this will also effect what hardware people want to
buy. The porn industries' use of VHS in favor of Betamax was a factor
in the Betamax's demise.


If you say so.



Dave Oldridge March 18th 07 05:58 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
"tooloud" wrote in
news:[email protected]_s21:

Actually, they don't, as long as you consider "LG has a new model" to
mean that there's someplace you can purchase one.


Future Shop here in Canada says they have an exclusive on them.

They're $1499 Canadian in their catalogue but there is no information on
the store stock (literally no information, not zero inventory), which
implies the shipments are actually on the way to the stores.

--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667

Dave Oldridge March 18th 07 05:59 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
"james" wrote in
ink.net:

Saw one in my local Best Buy. Decent looking unit. But, not worth
$1,200.00 to me.
I think I'll sit this one out for a while.


Good plan. If there's one multi-format player there will be others.


--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667

james March 18th 07 10:13 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 

"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
9...
"james" wrote in
ink.net:

Saw one in my local Best Buy. Decent looking unit. But, not worth
$1,200.00 to me.
I think I'll sit this one out for a while.


Good plan. If there's one multi-format player there will be others.


--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667


That's what I'm hoping for. Just as the early days of DVD players and
recorders,
things come out at high prices and eventually come down. I think if either,
or both,
formats want to gain acceptance, the hardware manufacturers will have to
start working
on reducing prices much faster than in the past. I noticed just today, that
my local Blockbuster
has a few new releases on Blue Ray. And that's after the manager had told me
recently that
they would not be carrying movies in either format for quite a while yet.
But, given the area I live
in and knowing the average income, even if Blockbuster rents them at the
same price as regular
DVD's, there will not be that many people running out and getting a BlueRay
player. People around
here gripe about the cheapo WalMart dvd players. I can only imagine how some
feel about the HD-DVD
and BlueRay stuff. ( currently our local WalMarts only carry RCA HD-DVD
players at $500.00 each)
And the manager in the Electronics Dept at the store told me he has sold
exactly two of them since they
started selling them. The rest of their inventory is sitting in the
storeroom. No one wants one that won't
record at that price. ( and I don't either and I want it dual format when I
do get one)
Maybe, that will start to happen as more of them remain unsold.
james




Richard C. March 26th 07 10:16 PM

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"tooloud" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s21...
Dave Oldridge wrote:
Jack Hollis wrote in
:

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:07:34 -0400, "Guest" wrote:

I neglected to mention I spoke to a retailer in Europe who
said that HD-DVD is winning over there.

Who gives a ****? Which ever video format wins does not affect the
videogame world.


Not true. One of the reasons that I was happy to buy my kids the PS2
was because it was also a DVD player. I decided to opt out on the
PS3 because I didn't want to commit to the Blu-Ray format. I assume
that some of the problems with PS3 sales has to do with the format
war.


LG has a new model that plays both formats.


Actually, they don't, as long as you consider "LG has a new model" to mean
that there's someplace you can purchase one.

--

===============================
Best Buy has it for sale and it was also in their ad yesterday.

$229


Jim Gilliland March 26th 07 11:01 PM

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Richard C. wrote:

LG has a new model that plays both formats.


Actually, they don't, as long as you consider "LG has a new model" to
mean that there's someplace you can purchase one.

Best Buy has it for sale and it was also in their ad yesterday.

$229


Considering that the player in questions retails for $1200, I think it unlikely
that they are selling it for $229. Maybe someday, though! g

Richard C. March 27th 07 09:40 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
"Jim Gilliland" wrote in message
...
Richard C. wrote:

LG has a new model that plays both formats.

Actually, they don't, as long as you consider "LG has a new model" to
mean that there's someplace you can purchase one.

Best Buy has it for sale and it was also in their ad yesterday.

$229


Considering that the player in questions retails for $1200, I think it
unlikely that they are selling it for $229. Maybe someday, though! g


==================
Sorry - my mistake.
That was the LG DR787T.
DVD-R with ATSC receiver built in.


Mike Ray March 29th 07 12:45 AM

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Richard C. wrote:

==================
Sorry - my mistake.
That was the LG DR787T.
DVD-R with ATSC receiver built in.



Bummer, I got all excited about a DVD-R with ATSC tuner however the BB
web site said:

"LG Multiformat DVD-R/-RW/+R/+RW/+R DL/RAM Recorder
Model: DR787T
Built-in NTSC tuner lets you record directly from TV just like with your
VCR, except onto digital-quality DVDs"

Looks like we will need to wait for a recorder with an ATSC tuner.
-mike

Richard Harison March 29th 07 02:27 AM

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Could the BB site copy have had a typo?

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"Mike Ray" wrote in message
...
Richard C. wrote:

==================
Sorry - my mistake.
That was the LG DR787T.
DVD-R with ATSC receiver built in.



Bummer, I got all excited about a DVD-R with ATSC tuner however the BB web
site said:

"LG Multiformat DVD-R/-RW/+R/+RW/+R DL/RAM Recorder
Model: DR787T
Built-in NTSC tuner lets you record directly from TV just like with your
VCR, except onto digital-quality DVDs"

Looks like we will need to wait for a recorder with an ATSC tuner.
-mike




Richard C. March 29th 07 04:14 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 

"Mike Ray" wrote in message
...
Richard C. wrote:

==================
Sorry - my mistake.
That was the LG DR787T.
DVD-R with ATSC receiver built in.



Bummer, I got all excited about a DVD-R with ATSC tuner however the BB web
site said:

"LG Multiformat DVD-R/-RW/+R/+RW/+R DL/RAM Recorder
Model: DR787T
Built-in NTSC tuner lets you record directly from TV just like with your
VCR, except onto digital-quality DVDs"

Looks like we will need to wait for a recorder with an ATSC tuner.
-mike

===========================
This unit DOES have a built in ATSC receiver.


Mike Ray March 29th 07 04:53 PM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 
Mike Ray wrote:
Richard C. wrote:


==================
Sorry - my mistake.
That was the LG DR787T.
DVD-R with ATSC receiver built in.




Bummer, I got all excited about a DVD-R with ATSC tuner however the BB
web site said:

"LG Multiformat DVD-R/-RW/+R/+RW/+R DL/RAM Recorder
Model: DR787T
Built-in NTSC tuner lets you record directly from TV just like with your
VCR, except onto digital-quality DVDs"

Looks like we will need to wait for a recorder with an ATSC tuner.
-mike


Could the BB site copy have had a typo?


I stopped at BB last night on the way home and looked at the LGDR787T.
The box says Digital Tunner so it must be ATSC. I didn't pick one up
(they had 3) because my MP3 player needs updating first. Also I can tape
OTA DTV with my samsung SIR-T151 STB and a VCR. Not great PQ but it works.

(I see BB has a MP3 (NS-DVB4G)with Btooth which is what I have been
waiting for. The DVD-R with ATSC will have to wait)

Ric Seyler March 30th 07 12:40 AM

HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray -- Who's Winning?
 


Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jack Hollis wrote in
:



On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:07:34 -0400, "Guest" wrote:



I neglected to mention I spoke to a retailer in Europe who
said that HD-DVD is winning over there.


Who gives a ****? Which ever video format wins does not affect the
videogame world.


Not true. One of the reasons that I was happy to buy my kids the PS2
was because it was also a DVD player. I decided to opt out on the PS3
because I didn't want to commit to the Blu-Ray format. I assume that
some of the problems with PS3 sales has to do with the format war.



LG has a new model that plays both formats.


But be aware there are a couple functions/features that won't work with
the LG
& HD DVD discs.






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