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Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
To me, PIP is a very desirable feature. Am I in the minority? I'm
finding that only about 40% of the HD sets have it. When I bought my first HD set last summer, even fewer had it. Is it because most people don't care? I'm estimating that another tuner would add $30-50 to the cost. I'm willing to pay it. Are you? I'd be willing to pay an extra $200 and have them add 3 extra tuners: One for the channel-up, one for channel-down, and one for PIP. Because only changed pixels are transmitted, unchanged pixels are not updated all that often. For this reason, the tuner may take upwards of two seconds to assemble a complete picture and change the channel. If the TV had 3 or four pictures already assembled and ready to display, changing channels would be instantaneous. OK, here's a channel-surfer's dream: Four tuners, each displaying one quarter of the screen on a 50" plasma. When a program interest's you, make that channel full screen. My God, you could watch four football games at the same time. I wouldn't, but you could. |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
NadCixelsyd wrote:
To me, PIP is a very desirable feature. Am I in the minority? I'm finding that only about 40% of the HD sets have it. When I bought my first HD set last summer, even fewer had it. Is it because most people don't care? I'm estimating that another tuner would add $30-50 to the cost. I'm willing to pay it. Are you? I'd be willing to pay an extra $200 and have them add 3 extra tuners: One for the channel-up, one for channel-down, and one for PIP. Because only changed pixels are transmitted, unchanged pixels are not updated all that often. For this reason, the tuner may take upwards of two seconds to assemble a complete picture and change the channel. If the TV had 3 or four pictures already assembled and ready to display, changing channels would be instantaneous. OK, here's a channel-surfer's dream: Four tuners, each displaying one quarter of the screen on a 50" plasma. When a program interest's you, make that channel full screen. My God, you could watch four football games at the same time. I wouldn't, but you could. Yes nice feature if it does what you want it to do. I had an older projection TV years ago and PIP was great. The small picture audio was out put to the front ear phone jack and I could do all kinds of things with it. That was when VCRs were at there peak, so using PIP I could FF to where I wanted to start viewing.... The next TV I bought had PIP but you couldn't use it with DVD. so FF and other options weren't allowed, like cueing to the start of the movie and pausing etc....so for me the functionality of PIP has lost its luster. YMMV? Rich |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On 8 Mar 2007 19:07:45 -0800, "NadCixelsyd"
wrote: To me, PIP is a very desirable feature. Am I in the minority? I can only speak for me. I don't have use for PIP, but like you I wonder if I'm in minority asking for better EPG (Electronic Program Giude) support. I know that the support and methods vary with location (around the world and between networks) but here in Sweeden it is half-way-there but still the detailed program information covers only 10 or so hours into the future. .... I'd be willing to pay an extra $200 and have them add 3 extra tuners: .... ... changing channels would be instantaneous. Channel change in 2-3 seconds is OK by me. Let's say that longer than 5 seconds is too long. OK, here's a channel-surfer's dream: Four tuners, each displaying one quarter of the screen on a 50" plasma. When a program interest's you, make that channel full screen. My God, you could watch four football games at the same time. I wouldn't, but you could. Instead trying to find an interesting program by swapping, I read from the EPG and plan ahead. I think that if you just swap around until you find something of interest, on average, when you finally find it you will have mist half of that interesting program. For me a second tuner would be better used to constantly download all EPG data fully in the background and automatically. (And with better data coverage and better search/filter functions implemented in the display function.) /Jan |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On 8 Mar 2007 19:07:45 -0800, "NadCixelsyd"
wrote: To me, PIP is a very desirable feature. Am I in the minority? I can only speak for me. I don't have use for PIP, but like you I wonder if I'm in minority asking for better EPG (Electronic Program Guide) support. I know that the support and methods vary with location (around the world and between networks) but here in Sweden it is half-way-there but still the detailed program information covers only 10 or so hours into the future. .... I'd be willing to pay an extra $200 and have them add 3 extra tuners: .... ... changing channels would be instantaneous. Channel change in 2-3 seconds is OK by me. Let's say that longer than 5 seconds is too long. OK, here's a channel-surfer's dream: Four tuners, each displaying one quarter of the screen on a 50" plasma. When a program interest's you, make that channel full screen. My God, you could watch four football games at the same time. I wouldn't, but you could. Instead trying to find an interesting program by swapping, I read from the EPG and plan ahead. I think that if you just swap around until you find something of interest, on average, when you finally find it you will have missed half of that interesting program. For me a second tuner would be better used to constantly download all EPG data fully in the background and automatically. (And with better data coverage and better search/filter functions implemented in the display function.) /Jan |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:07:45 -0800, NadCixelsyd wrote:
To me, PIP is a very desirable feature. Am I in the minority? Don't know, but I have it on all my TV's (using MythTV) and never use it. Of course I never watch live TV either. I record everything I watch. I'm estimating that another tuner would add $30-50 to the cost. I'm willing to pay it. Are you? An extra tuner would only cost about $5. I don't need it, so I wouldn't evne pay that for it.:-) I'd be willing to pay an extra $200 and have them add 3 extra tuners: Why not just add your own then. I've got 5 tuners in my MythTV system. I can also record 5 HDTV programs at once with it. That why I don't need or care about PIP.:-) OK, here's a channel-surfer's dream: Four tuners, each displaying one quarter of the screen on a 50" plasma. When a program interest's you, make that channel full screen. My God, you could watch four football games at the same time. I wouldn't, but you could. I watch recorded TV pretty fast, but trying to focus on more than 1 show at a time is not my idea of enjoyment.:-) -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on
eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:07:45 -0800, NadCixelsyd wrote: To me, PIP is a very desirable feature. Am I in the minority? Don't know, but I have it on all my TV's (using MythTV) and never use it. Of course I never watch live TV either. I record everything I watch. I'm estimating that another tuner would add $30-50 to the cost. I'm willing to pay it. Are you? An extra tuner would only cost about $5. I don't need it, so I wouldn't evne pay that for it.:-) I'd be willing to pay an extra $200 and have them add 3 extra tuners: Why not just add your own then. I've got 5 tuners in my MythTV system. I can also record 5 HDTV programs at once with it. That why I don't need or care about PIP.:-) OK, here's a channel-surfer's dream: Four tuners, each displaying one quarter of the screen on a 50" plasma. When a program interest's you, make that channel full screen. My God, you could watch four football games at the same time. I wouldn't, but you could. I watch recorded TV pretty fast, but trying to focus on more than 1 show at a time is not my idea of enjoyment.:-) -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On Mar 9, 4:15 am, "SoCalCommie" wrote:
Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) SoCalCommie They used to exist... until Wes told the whole world about them! One just went for $22.50 shipped (too bad I missed that one) |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On Mar 8, 9:07 pm, "NadCixelsyd" wrote:
To me, PIP is a very desirable feature. Am I in the minority? I'm finding that only about 40% of the HD sets have it. When I bought my first HD set last summer, even fewer had it. Is it because most people don't care? I'm estimating that another tuner would add $30-50 to the cost. I'm willing to pay it. Are you? I'd be willing to pay an extra $200 and have them add 3 extra tuners: One for the channel-up, one for channel-down, and one for PIP. Because only changed pixels are transmitted, unchanged pixels are not updated all that often. For this reason, the tuner may take upwards of two seconds to assemble a complete picture and change the channel. If the TV had 3 or four pictures already assembled and ready to display, changing channels would be instantaneous. OK, here's a channel-surfer's dream: Four tuners, each displaying one quarter of the screen on a 50" plasma. When a program interest's you, make that channel full screen. My God, you could watch four football games at the same time. I wouldn't, but you could. I remember when PIP was the "hot" new thing and ya' had to have it. That's going back quite a while now. But I can't remember the last time I actually used it. I'm thinking perhaps during March Madness or on a Saturday afternoon for college football so you can always watch a game and never bother with a commercial its useful. My dad used to like to use it to see if there was "something better" on at the same time. But really there's a TV guide for that. But now most TVs get their signal from a cable box, so there's no "splitting" the signal, which means PIP might be useless for live TV for those people. My Vizio has PIP, but, its a little weird. You can't PIP against all the inputs. For example, it has eight inputs (2xHDMI, 2xComposite, 2xSvideo/AV, VGA, and RF in) and RF in can PIP against only some of those inputs. It bugged me a bit until I realized I was probably never going to use it. |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:15:07 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote:
Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) You frickin top posting moron, he's not talking about PCI or STB tuners. He's talking about a second tuner in the TV. They actually cost less than $5 each. More like $3 each in quanty of 1000. now crawl back in your hole, peek your head out and watch and learn something. If you want to be a know it all, you should at least know something. BTW, there is a license fee for ATSC, but I think that would cover multiple tuners in a device. No, I don't know for sure, but even if a fee is required per tuner, I recall it being about $6. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 06:25:51 -0800, mogator88 wrote:
On Mar 9, 4:15 am, "SoCalCommie" wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) SoCalCommie They used to exist... until Wes told the whole world about them! One just went for $22.50 shipped (too bad I missed that one) We were talking about tuners *in* the TV for PIP. I've never won one of the PC tuners for $5. $17.50 was the lowest. Got another for $18.64. I bought 6 and don't need any more.;-) -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
FLAME
My my... I wasn't replying to the OP, I was replying to you (that's what 'nesting' is all about). YOU were the one to bring up your $5 BS. You never miss your chance to brag about your cheap alternative (LINUX box w/ free software, cheap tuners, yadda, yadda, yadda). So frgg'n what! I guess you don't consider your labor time valuable. I consider paying a few $$$thousand for 'state-of-the-art' cheap in comparison to my labor rates. I currently run 4 NTSC tuners and 2 ATSC tuners on my main setup (MCE2005 w/ 2 PVR500 pci & 2 FusionHDTV5 Express pci-e)... and could easily add 4 more on USB... with 1.5TByts of dedicated video storage in RAID5. Top that ****head! You bottom posting idiot! (contrary to popular folklore... 'usenet' has no rules as to top or bottom posting - it's a matter of personal preference - and a soure of many an idiot's flame-war) /FLAME SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:15:07 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) You frickin top posting moron, he's not talking about PCI or STB tuners. He's talking about a second tuner in the TV. They actually cost less than $5 each. More like $3 each in quanty of 1000. now crawl back in your hole, peek your head out and watch and learn something. If you want to be a know it all, you should at least know something. BTW, there is a license fee for ATSC, but I think that would cover multiple tuners in a device. No, I don't know for sure, but even if a fee is required per tuner, I recall it being about $6. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
I personally wouldn't want one (air2pc). They're - on eBay - mostly 1st gen
chipset models (poor sensitivity and poor multipath rejection). SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 9, 4:15 am, "SoCalCommie" wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) SoCalCommie They used to exist... until Wes told the whole world about them! One just went for $22.50 shipped (too bad I missed that one) |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
Mine actually work pretty well. I'm 22 miles from most of the
towers. It picks up the same channels as my TV. I'm definitely satisfied. On Mar 9, 11:24 am, "SoCalCommie" wrote: I personally wouldn't want one (air2pc). They're - on eBay - mostly 1st gen chipset models (poor sensitivity and poor multipath rejection). SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 9, 4:15 am, "SoCalCommie" wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) SoCalCommie They used to exist... until Wes told the whole world about them! One just went for $22.50 shipped (too bad I missed that one) |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
To each, his own... 'One man's treasure, another man's junk.'
SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac wrote in message ups.com... Mine actually work pretty well. I'm 22 miles from most of the towers. It picks up the same channels as my TV. I'm definitely satisfied. On Mar 9, 11:24 am, "SoCalCommie" wrote: I personally wouldn't want one (air2pc). They're - on eBay - mostly 1st gen chipset models (poor sensitivity and poor multipath rejection). SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 9, 4:15 am, "SoCalCommie" wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) SoCalCommie They used to exist... until Wes told the whole world about them! One just went for $22.50 shipped (too bad I missed that one) |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
Since you insist on top posting.. I know you were talking to me you moron,
but what you are too benighted to understand was that the $5 tuner I was talking about wasn't a PCI tuner card but the bare tuner chip. That's what they'd use for PIP in a TV. And I've never stated anything about buying tuner cards for $5 on ebay. I have stated under $20 and I've bought more than one for under $20. Now go to ebay and see if you can find a cheap brain to replace your obviously defective one. On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:12:37 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: FLAME My my... I wasn't replying to the OP, I was replying to you (that's what 'nesting' is all about). YOU were the one to bring up your $5 BS. You never miss your chance to brag about your cheap alternative (LINUX box w/ free software, cheap tuners, yadda, yadda, yadda). So frgg'n what! I guess you don't consider your labor time valuable. I consider paying a few $$$thousand for 'state-of-the-art' cheap in comparison to my labor rates. I currently run 4 NTSC tuners and 2 ATSC tuners on my main setup (MCE2005 w/ 2 PVR500 pci & 2 FusionHDTV5 Express pci-e)... and could easily add 4 more on USB... with 1.5TByts of dedicated video storage in RAID5. Top that ****head! I didn't know we had a competition going on. So you can add 4 more tuners on usb. So what. So could I, plus 9 more PCI tuners in the other slave backends, and then as many more ethernet tuners as I wanted. I don't see your point to all this. I only have have 600GB of dedicated video storage at this time. If I needed more, I could certainly add it. And I don't consider it important enough to run as raid 5 so I run mine in raid 0. So I guess you win the storage part.:-) You bottom posting idiot! (contrary to popular folklore...'usenet' has no rules as to top or bottom posting - it's a matter of personal preference - and a soure of many an idiot's flame-war) /FLAME SoCalCommie Well, you can be jerk and not consider those that come behing your top posting that are trying to follow the thread and it gets all screwed up. But I'd expect nothing else from a person like you. There's a reason top posting is not considered good. i guess you're just too damn stupid to understand it. "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:15:07 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) You frickin top posting moron, he's not talking about PCI or STB tuners. He's talking about a second tuner in the TV. They actually cost less than $5 each. More like $3 each in quanty of 1000. now crawl back in your hole, peek your head out and watch and learn something. If you want to be a know it all, you should at least know something. BTW, there is a license fee for ATSC, but I think that would cover multiple tuners in a device. No, I don't know for sure, but even if a fee is required per tuner, I recall it being about $6. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On 3/8/2007 9:07 PM, NadCixelsyd wrote:
To me, PIP is a very desirable feature. Am I in the minority? I'm finding that only about 40% of the HD sets have it. When I bought my first HD set last summer, even fewer had it. Is it because most people don't care? I'm estimating that another tuner would add $30-50 to the cost. I'm willing to pay it. Are you? I'd be willing to pay an extra $200 and have them add 3 extra tuners: One for the channel-up, one for channel-down, and one for PIP. Because only changed pixels are transmitted, unchanged pixels are not updated all that often. For this reason, the tuner may take upwards of two seconds to assemble a complete picture and change the channel. If the TV had 3 or four pictures already assembled and ready to display, changing channels would be instantaneous. OK, here's a channel-surfer's dream: Four tuners, each displaying one quarter of the screen on a 50" plasma. When a program interest's you, make that channel full screen. My God, you could watch four football games at the same time. I wouldn't, but you could. I think that for most people it is simply to complicated to use. Most TV's that have PIP don't include a second tuner. When I was comparing prices, TV's that had a second tuner generally cost close to $200 more than TV;s with a single tuner. I don't know any reason that should be the case, but it was. My Samsung with PIP has a QAM tuner and a cablecard slot, and I have a cable company dual tuner DVR. A nice feature of the PIP on the Samsung 5073 is that I can set it so that the two pictures are side by side, each taking up half of the screen. On a 50" that leaves both pictures at very watchable size on the rare occasions that I've used PIP. I've used it when watching something from the DVR (either live or recorded) on one side, and watching a sporting or news event on the other. During half time in some football fame I left the game on on one side, and watched something else on the other side. That is the only kind of use I've made of PIP and that is very limited. For my wide, I think that setting th TV to the rarely used PIP, switching between the tuner in the TV and the DVR, and managing the sound is far beyond her interests or desires and will never happen. If PIP is implemented within the DVR it may get used a little bit more. Bernie |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
Your 'system' as stated on your links doesn't have enough HP for that you
asshole! ....and with that I bid you KILLFILE SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] Since you insist on top posting.. I know you were talking to me you moron, but what you are too benighted to understand was that the $5 tuner I was talking about wasn't a PCI tuner card but the bare tuner chip. That's what they'd use for PIP in a TV. And I've never stated anything about buying tuner cards for $5 on ebay. I have stated under $20 and I've bought more than one for under $20. Now go to ebay and see if you can find a cheap brain to replace your obviously defective one. On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:12:37 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: FLAME My my... I wasn't replying to the OP, I was replying to you (that's what 'nesting' is all about). YOU were the one to bring up your $5 BS. You never miss your chance to brag about your cheap alternative (LINUX box w/ free software, cheap tuners, yadda, yadda, yadda). So frgg'n what! I guess you don't consider your labor time valuable. I consider paying a few $$$thousand for 'state-of-the-art' cheap in comparison to my labor rates. I currently run 4 NTSC tuners and 2 ATSC tuners on my main setup (MCE2005 w/ 2 PVR500 pci & 2 FusionHDTV5 Express pci-e)... and could easily add 4 more on USB... with 1.5TByts of dedicated video storage in RAID5. Top that ****head! I didn't know we had a competition going on. So you can add 4 more tuners on usb. So what. So could I, plus 9 more PCI tuners in the other slave backends, and then as many more ethernet tuners as I wanted. I don't see your point to all this. I only have have 600GB of dedicated video storage at this time. If I needed more, I could certainly add it. And I don't consider it important enough to run as raid 5 so I run mine in raid 0. So I guess you win the storage part.:-) You bottom posting idiot! (contrary to popular folklore...'usenet' has no rules as to top or bottom posting - it's a matter of personal preference - and a soure of many an idiot's flame-war) /FLAME SoCalCommie Well, you can be jerk and not consider those that come behing your top posting that are trying to follow the thread and it gets all screwed up. But I'd expect nothing else from a person like you. There's a reason top posting is not considered good. i guess you're just too damn stupid to understand it. "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:15:07 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) You frickin top posting moron, he's not talking about PCI or STB tuners. He's talking about a second tuner in the TV. They actually cost less than $5 each. More like $3 each in quanty of 1000. now crawl back in your hole, peek your head out and watch and learn something. If you want to be a know it all, you should at least know something. BTW, there is a license fee for ATSC, but I think that would cover multiple tuners in a device. No, I don't know for sure, but even if a fee is required per tuner, I recall it being about $6. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
Please do not kill file Wes - he is way to much fun,,,
He is legally blind - yet lectures endlessly about how ,much better HD looks on 17 inch computer monitor..?? Thinks he is "getting back" what he paid into Social Security,,,,and that it is not a "transfer tax". Believes that Medicare at 80 bucks a month is expensive, and calls people that factually point out that the equivalent level of private Health Insurance would cost over $2000 a month a liar... Believes, despite every economic fact/publication to the contrary, that he is going to continue to get free OTA HD programing,,after 2009. just to much dam fun to kill file,,,!!! "SoCalCommie" wrote: Your 'system' as stated on your links doesn't have enough HP for that you asshole! ...and with that I bid you KILLFILE SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] Since you insist on top posting.. I know you were talking to me you moron, but what you are too benighted to understand was that the $5 tuner I was talking about wasn't a PCI tuner card but the bare tuner chip. That's what they'd use for PIP in a TV. And I've never stated anything about buying tuner cards for $5 on ebay. I have stated under $20 and I've bought more than one for under $20. Now go to ebay and see if you can find a cheap brain to replace your obviously defective one. On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:12:37 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: FLAME My my... I wasn't replying to the OP, I was replying to you (that's what 'nesting' is all about). YOU were the one to bring up your $5 BS. You never miss your chance to brag about your cheap alternative (LINUX box w/ free software, cheap tuners, yadda, yadda, yadda). So frgg'n what! I guess you don't consider your labor time valuable. I consider paying a few $$$thousand for 'state-of-the-art' cheap in comparison to my labor rates. I currently run 4 NTSC tuners and 2 ATSC tuners on my main setup (MCE2005 w/ 2 PVR500 pci & 2 FusionHDTV5 Express pci-e)... and could easily add 4 more on USB... with 1.5TByts of dedicated video storage in RAID5. Top that ****head! I didn't know we had a competition going on. So you can add 4 more tuners on usb. So what. So could I, plus 9 more PCI tuners in the other slave backends, and then as many more ethernet tuners as I wanted. I don't see your point to all this. I only have have 600GB of dedicated video storage at this time. If I needed more, I could certainly add it. And I don't consider it important enough to run as raid 5 so I run mine in raid 0. So I guess you win the storage part.:-) You bottom posting idiot! (contrary to popular folklore...'usenet' has no rules as to top or bottom posting - it's a matter of personal preference - and a soure of many an idiot's flame-war) /FLAME SoCalCommie Well, you can be jerk and not consider those that come behing your top posting that are trying to follow the thread and it gets all screwed up. But I'd expect nothing else from a person like you. There's a reason top posting is not considered good. i guess you're just too damn stupid to understand it. "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:15:07 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) You frickin top posting moron, he's not talking about PCI or STB tuners. He's talking about a second tuner in the TV. They actually cost less than $5 each. More like $3 each in quanty of 1000. now crawl back in your hole, peek your head out and watch and learn something. If you want to be a know it all, you should at least know something. BTW, there is a license fee for ATSC, but I think that would cover multiple tuners in a device. No, I don't know for sure, but even if a fee is required per tuner, I recall it being about $6. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:42:22 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote:
Your 'system' as stated on your links doesn't have enough HP for that you asshole! WTF are you talking about moron? I don't have the hardware I use listed anywhere on my site. I'm using an Athlon 64 AM2 X2 dual core today. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
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On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 02:15:57 +0000, wrote:
Please do not kill file Wes - he is way to much fun,,, This from the stupid sob that thinks OTA HD is going away. BTW, one of our stations just switched all local news to HD.:-) -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
To bad.. So sad... Haven't you heard Core2Duo KICKS ASS on AMD anything!
Poor Wes... He can't afford a REAL system... so he plays with yesterday's technology (if you don't believe me, check out his links!) SoCalCommie "You get what you pay for is BS" - Wes (paraphrased in his moment(s) of insanity) "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:42:22 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: Your 'system' as stated on your links doesn't have enough HP for that you asshole! WTF are you talking about moron? I don't have the hardware I use listed anywhere on my site. I'm using an Athlon 64 AM2 X2 dual core today. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
"NadCixelsyd" wrote in message oups.com... To me, PIP is a very desirable feature. Am I in the minority? I'm finding that only about 40% of the HD sets have it. When I bought my first HD set last summer, even fewer had it. Is it because most people don't care? I'm estimating that another tuner would add $30-50 to the cost. I'm willing to pay it. Are you? I'd be willing to pay an extra $200 and have them add 3 extra tuners: One for the channel-up, one for channel-down, and one for PIP. Because only changed pixels are transmitted, unchanged pixels are not updated all that often. For this reason, the tuner may take upwards of two seconds to assemble a complete picture and change the channel. If the TV had 3 or four pictures already assembled and ready to display, changing channels would be instantaneous. OK, here's a channel-surfer's dream: Four tuners, each displaying one quarter of the screen on a 50" plasma. When a program interest's you, make that channel full screen. My God, you could watch four football games at the same time. I wouldn't, but you could. I had it back in the 80's and it was pretty cool to see what else was on but I used it mainly to channel surf while a commercial was on. Switch current program w/commercial in small screen, channel surf in big screen. When commercial was over, exchange pictures and turn off PIP. But presently for me, the hassle of PIP is no longer needed - I have a guide feature (Dish Network) and DVR recording to facilitate zipping through commercials. I have a Samsung 46" LCD w/PIP and do not use it. |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:45:41 GMT, Wes Newell
wrote: Since you insist on top posting.. I know you were talking to me you moron, but what you are too benighted to understand was that the $5 tuner I was talking about wasn't a PCI tuner card but the bare tuner chip. That's what they'd use for PIP in a TV. And I've never stated anything about buying tuner cards for $5 on ebay. I have stated under $20 and I've bought more than one for under $20. Now go to ebay and see if you can find a cheap brain to replace your obviously defective one. Why are YOU top posting? Thumper On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:12:37 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: FLAME My my... I wasn't replying to the OP, I was replying to you (that's what 'nesting' is all about). YOU were the one to bring up your $5 BS. You never miss your chance to brag about your cheap alternative (LINUX box w/ free software, cheap tuners, yadda, yadda, yadda). So frgg'n what! I guess you don't consider your labor time valuable. I consider paying a few $$$thousand for 'state-of-the-art' cheap in comparison to my labor rates. I currently run 4 NTSC tuners and 2 ATSC tuners on my main setup (MCE2005 w/ 2 PVR500 pci & 2 FusionHDTV5 Express pci-e)... and could easily add 4 more on USB... with 1.5TByts of dedicated video storage in RAID5. Top that ****head! I didn't know we had a competition going on. So you can add 4 more tuners on usb. So what. So could I, plus 9 more PCI tuners in the other slave backends, and then as many more ethernet tuners as I wanted. I don't see your point to all this. I only have have 600GB of dedicated video storage at this time. If I needed more, I could certainly add it. And I don't consider it important enough to run as raid 5 so I run mine in raid 0. So I guess you win the storage part.:-) You bottom posting idiot! (contrary to popular folklore...'usenet' has no rules as to top or bottom posting - it's a matter of personal preference - and a soure of many an idiot's flame-war) /FLAME SoCalCommie Well, you can be jerk and not consider those that come behing your top posting that are trying to follow the thread and it gets all screwed up. But I'd expect nothing else from a person like you. There's a reason top posting is not considered good. i guess you're just too damn stupid to understand it. "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:15:07 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) You frickin top posting moron, he's not talking about PCI or STB tuners. He's talking about a second tuner in the TV. They actually cost less than $5 each. More like $3 each in quanty of 1000. now crawl back in your hole, peek your head out and watch and learn something. If you want to be a know it all, you should at least know something. BTW, there is a license fee for ATSC, but I think that would cover multiple tuners in a device. No, I don't know for sure, but even if a fee is required per tuner, I recall it being about $6. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 07:28:32 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote:
To bad.. So sad... Haven't you heard Core2Duo KICKS ASS on AMD anything! Yes. And I used to recommend them til I bought a socket 775 and core 2 duo system. After seeing the **** poor design of the socket I took it back. Poor Wes... He can't afford a REAL system... so he plays with yesterday's technology (if you don't believe me, check out his links!) If you feel so bad for me just send money via paypal.:-) -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:53:42 -0600, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 07:28:32 GMT, SoCalCommie wrote: To bad.. So sad... Haven't you heard Core2Duo KICKS ASS on AMD anything! Poor Wes... He can't afford a REAL system... so he plays with yesterday's technology (if you don't believe me, check out his links!) If you pester him enough, he'll admit to watching his HD content on a 1280x1024 display cropped to 4:3 as well. Every "TV" in my house runs off a MythTV box. Some have monitors, and one even has an old analog TV running 480i. The monitors are capable of 1600x1200, but I chose to run them at 1280x1024. In 16:9 zoomed mode, that about the same as 1920x1080 for the displayed portion moron. If that's too complicated for you to figure out, ask, and I'll explain. Otherwise go chain your mama in the back yard. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
I don't want to pester him ;-) I just want him to STFU! His arrogance ****es
me off! And the fact that he thinks he's superior to the rabble because he uses LINUX... BFD... I've used/programmed under BSD 4.2 and SystemV, but I don't consider myself superior to anyone. I think Win2K is the best OS Mickysloth ever came up with (and MCE2005 is cool - after I 'bend' it a little bit). And if you want a state-of-the-art network HDTV server, see http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm A simpler/cheaper alternative to Wes' 'solution'! Ain't technology wonderful! (I've just ordered one.) SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Peter H. Coffin" wrote in message ... On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 07:28:32 GMT, SoCalCommie wrote: To bad.. So sad... Haven't you heard Core2Duo KICKS ASS on AMD anything! Poor Wes... He can't afford a REAL system... so he plays with yesterday's technology (if you don't believe me, check out his links!) If you pester him enough, he'll admit to watching his HD content on a 1280x1024 display cropped to 4:3 as well. -- The only thing I'd use on guinea-fowl is a shredder. Same with peacocks. The sound of peacocks being shredded can't possibly be any worse than the sound of peacocks not being shredded. -- Tanuki |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:36:13 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote:
And if you want a state-of-the-art network HDTV server, see http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm A simpler/cheaper alternative to Wes' 'solution'! Ain't technology wonderful! (I've just ordered one.) That's just a dual ethernet tuner you damn moron. It's worthless without a PC to plug it into. Oh, btw, just to **** you off more, it is compatable with MythTV.:-) let's see what it says.:-) Works with popular DVR softwa * Pause, rewind, fast-forward live TV. * Record all your favorite TV shows by name. * Fully integrated 14-day TV guide (with MythTV, MediaPortal, and others). Note: MythTV Compatible With: * MediaPortal - DVR for Windows (currently in beta) * SageTV - DVR software for Windows, Linux and Mac * MythTV - DVR for Linux and Mac. * Pluto - Home automation and media system * Windows Media Center (currently in beta) Note MythTV and what it says about media center.:-) All you're doing arguing with me is showing how ****ing stupid you are. Now tuck your tail and take off.:-) -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
So... it works with MythTV. So ****ing what. Do you have one?... NO You've
got your old kludge you put together youself, and your crappy TV's etc. "...just a dual ethernet tuner" No ****. Of course it has a CPU an OS (probably LINUX), and RAM. It's a DEDICATED computer MORON! And your worthless with or without being 'plugged into' your computer nitwit. BTW I watch TV on a true 1920x1080 37" monitor at about 3' away (it's on my desk). The only thing I'm going to 'tuck' is my foot in your ass! SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:36:13 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: And if you want a state-of-the-art network HDTV server, see http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm A simpler/cheaper alternative to Wes' 'solution'! Ain't technology wonderful! (I've just ordered one.) That's just a dual ethernet tuner you damn moron. It's worthless without a PC to plug it into. Oh, btw, just to **** you off more, it is compatable with MythTV.:-) let's see what it says.:-) Works with popular DVR softwa * Pause, rewind, fast-forward live TV. * Record all your favorite TV shows by name. * Fully integrated 14-day TV guide (with MythTV, MediaPortal, and others). Note: MythTV Compatible With: * MediaPortal - DVR for Windows (currently in beta) * SageTV - DVR software for Windows, Linux and Mac * MythTV - DVR for Linux and Mac. * Pluto - Home automation and media system * Windows Media Center (currently in beta) Note MythTV and what it says about media center.:-) All you're doing arguing with me is showing how ****ing stupid you are. Now tuck your tail and take off.:-) -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
"NadCixelsyd" wrote in message oups.com... To me, PIP is a very desirable feature. Am I in the minority? I'm finding that only about 40% of the HD sets have it. When I bought my first HD set last summer, even fewer had it. Is it because most people don't care? I'm estimating that another tuner would add $30-50 to the cost. I'm willing to pay it. Are you? I can count on one hand the number of times I have used PIP in the last 5 years. |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:10:21 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote:
The only thing I'm going to 'tuck' is my foot in your ass! That's awfully brave talk coming from an anonymous person. Not! -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
I have PIP on my 37" Westy 1080p and one of it's nice features is the nearly
unlimited combination of inputs that can be used with the PIP / POP / SxS features. But like most users I rarely use it. The one time I found it really usefull was comparing an original DVD (via a standard DVD player - component) with a 'backup' ;-) copy (via HTPC - DVI), in 'side-by-side' (SxS) format. SoCalCommie "Wes Newell is a tinkerbell." - SCC "StevenA" wrote in message ... "NadCixelsyd" wrote: To me, PIP is a very desirable feature. Am I in the minority? I'm finding that only about 40% of the HD sets have it. When I bought my first HD set last summer, even fewer had it. Is it because most people don't care? I'm estimating that another tuner would add $30-50 to the cost. I'm willing to pay it. Are you? I'd be willing to pay an extra $200 and have them add 3 extra tuners: One for the channel-up, one for channel-down, and one for PIP. Because only changed pixels are transmitted, unchanged pixels are not updated all that often. For this reason, the tuner may take upwards of two seconds to assemble a complete picture and change the channel. If the TV had 3 or four pictures already assembled and ready to display, changing channels would be instantaneous. OK, here's a channel-surfer's dream: Four tuners, each displaying one quarter of the screen on a 50" plasma. When a program interest's you, make that channel full screen. My God, you could watch four football games at the same time. I wouldn't, but you could. I have a Samsung 46" HDTV with PIP, but it's of very limited use. With Samsung sets PIP only uses the set's built in ATSC tuner for the second signal. There is no way to get it to use any other external signal source for the second picture. Also, PIP only works if the main input is via the component, PC, S-video or AV inputs. If the main input is via HDMI or over the air (digital or analog), PIP is not available. |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
One of my cousins has an older 60" Sony. He puts whatever ballgame he's
watching on one side of the screen, and his gf watches what she wants to with the sound on the other side. Works for them - they're together in the same room, can chat and yet be happily watching something they're each interested in. |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
nospam wrote:
One of my cousins has an older 60" Sony. He puts whatever ballgame he's watching on one side of the screen, and his gf watches what she wants to with the sound on the other side. Works for them - they're together in the same room, can chat and yet be happily watching something they're each interested in. His is bigger than mine. |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On 3/10/2007 3:01 PM, StevenA wrote:
.. . . I have a Samsung 46" HDTV with PIP, but it's of very limited use. With Samsung sets PIP only uses the set's built in ATSC tuner for the second signal. There is no way to get it to use any other external signal source for the second picture. Also, PIP only works if the main input is via the component, PC, S-video or AV inputs. If the main input is via HDMI or over the air (digital or analog), PIP is not available. PIP works on my Samsung 5073 plasma TV where I have an HDMI feed going from a DVR to the TV and a direct cable feed going to the QAM tuner. |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
Wes Newell wrote:
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 02:15:57 +0000, wrote: Please do not kill file Wes - he is way to much fun,,, This from the stupid sob that thinks OTA HD is going away. BTW, one of our stations just switched all local news to HD.:-) -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm which will be on the pay sat and cable HD channels after 2009,,, |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On Mar 12, 2:52 pm, common_ wrote:
Wes Newell wrote: On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 02:15:57 +0000, wrote: Please do not kill file Wes - he is way to much fun,,, This from the stupid sob that thinks OTA HD is going away. BTW, one of our stations just switched all local news to HD.:-) -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder?http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.htmlUsenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My serverhttp://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 comparedhttp://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm which will be on the pay sat and cable HD channels after 2009,,, I still think you're wrong on this. The hundreds of millions invested in OTA would make no sense. If you're just going to abandon it, why bother at all? It will be interesting to see what really happens in 2009. GG |
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