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Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
FLAME
My my... I wasn't replying to the OP, I was replying to you (that's what 'nesting' is all about). YOU were the one to bring up your $5 BS. You never miss your chance to brag about your cheap alternative (LINUX box w/ free software, cheap tuners, yadda, yadda, yadda). So frgg'n what! I guess you don't consider your labor time valuable. I consider paying a few $$$thousand for 'state-of-the-art' cheap in comparison to my labor rates. I currently run 4 NTSC tuners and 2 ATSC tuners on my main setup (MCE2005 w/ 2 PVR500 pci & 2 FusionHDTV5 Express pci-e)... and could easily add 4 more on USB... with 1.5TByts of dedicated video storage in RAID5. Top that ****head! You bottom posting idiot! (contrary to popular folklore... 'usenet' has no rules as to top or bottom posting - it's a matter of personal preference - and a soure of many an idiot's flame-war) /FLAME SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:15:07 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) You frickin top posting moron, he's not talking about PCI or STB tuners. He's talking about a second tuner in the TV. They actually cost less than $5 each. More like $3 each in quanty of 1000. now crawl back in your hole, peek your head out and watch and learn something. If you want to be a know it all, you should at least know something. BTW, there is a license fee for ATSC, but I think that would cover multiple tuners in a device. No, I don't know for sure, but even if a fee is required per tuner, I recall it being about $6. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
I personally wouldn't want one (air2pc). They're - on eBay - mostly 1st gen
chipset models (poor sensitivity and poor multipath rejection). SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 9, 4:15 am, "SoCalCommie" wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) SoCalCommie They used to exist... until Wes told the whole world about them! One just went for $22.50 shipped (too bad I missed that one) |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
Mine actually work pretty well. I'm 22 miles from most of the
towers. It picks up the same channels as my TV. I'm definitely satisfied. On Mar 9, 11:24 am, "SoCalCommie" wrote: I personally wouldn't want one (air2pc). They're - on eBay - mostly 1st gen chipset models (poor sensitivity and poor multipath rejection). SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 9, 4:15 am, "SoCalCommie" wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) SoCalCommie They used to exist... until Wes told the whole world about them! One just went for $22.50 shipped (too bad I missed that one) |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
To each, his own... 'One man's treasure, another man's junk.'
SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac wrote in message ups.com... Mine actually work pretty well. I'm 22 miles from most of the towers. It picks up the same channels as my TV. I'm definitely satisfied. On Mar 9, 11:24 am, "SoCalCommie" wrote: I personally wouldn't want one (air2pc). They're - on eBay - mostly 1st gen chipset models (poor sensitivity and poor multipath rejection). SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 9, 4:15 am, "SoCalCommie" wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) SoCalCommie They used to exist... until Wes told the whole world about them! One just went for $22.50 shipped (too bad I missed that one) |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
Since you insist on top posting.. I know you were talking to me you moron,
but what you are too benighted to understand was that the $5 tuner I was talking about wasn't a PCI tuner card but the bare tuner chip. That's what they'd use for PIP in a TV. And I've never stated anything about buying tuner cards for $5 on ebay. I have stated under $20 and I've bought more than one for under $20. Now go to ebay and see if you can find a cheap brain to replace your obviously defective one. On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:12:37 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: FLAME My my... I wasn't replying to the OP, I was replying to you (that's what 'nesting' is all about). YOU were the one to bring up your $5 BS. You never miss your chance to brag about your cheap alternative (LINUX box w/ free software, cheap tuners, yadda, yadda, yadda). So frgg'n what! I guess you don't consider your labor time valuable. I consider paying a few $$$thousand for 'state-of-the-art' cheap in comparison to my labor rates. I currently run 4 NTSC tuners and 2 ATSC tuners on my main setup (MCE2005 w/ 2 PVR500 pci & 2 FusionHDTV5 Express pci-e)... and could easily add 4 more on USB... with 1.5TByts of dedicated video storage in RAID5. Top that ****head! I didn't know we had a competition going on. So you can add 4 more tuners on usb. So what. So could I, plus 9 more PCI tuners in the other slave backends, and then as many more ethernet tuners as I wanted. I don't see your point to all this. I only have have 600GB of dedicated video storage at this time. If I needed more, I could certainly add it. And I don't consider it important enough to run as raid 5 so I run mine in raid 0. So I guess you win the storage part.:-) You bottom posting idiot! (contrary to popular folklore...'usenet' has no rules as to top or bottom posting - it's a matter of personal preference - and a soure of many an idiot's flame-war) /FLAME SoCalCommie Well, you can be jerk and not consider those that come behing your top posting that are trying to follow the thread and it gets all screwed up. But I'd expect nothing else from a person like you. There's a reason top posting is not considered good. i guess you're just too damn stupid to understand it. "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:15:07 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) You frickin top posting moron, he's not talking about PCI or STB tuners. He's talking about a second tuner in the TV. They actually cost less than $5 each. More like $3 each in quanty of 1000. now crawl back in your hole, peek your head out and watch and learn something. If you want to be a know it all, you should at least know something. BTW, there is a license fee for ATSC, but I think that would cover multiple tuners in a device. No, I don't know for sure, but even if a fee is required per tuner, I recall it being about $6. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On 3/8/2007 9:07 PM, NadCixelsyd wrote:
To me, PIP is a very desirable feature. Am I in the minority? I'm finding that only about 40% of the HD sets have it. When I bought my first HD set last summer, even fewer had it. Is it because most people don't care? I'm estimating that another tuner would add $30-50 to the cost. I'm willing to pay it. Are you? I'd be willing to pay an extra $200 and have them add 3 extra tuners: One for the channel-up, one for channel-down, and one for PIP. Because only changed pixels are transmitted, unchanged pixels are not updated all that often. For this reason, the tuner may take upwards of two seconds to assemble a complete picture and change the channel. If the TV had 3 or four pictures already assembled and ready to display, changing channels would be instantaneous. OK, here's a channel-surfer's dream: Four tuners, each displaying one quarter of the screen on a 50" plasma. When a program interest's you, make that channel full screen. My God, you could watch four football games at the same time. I wouldn't, but you could. I think that for most people it is simply to complicated to use. Most TV's that have PIP don't include a second tuner. When I was comparing prices, TV's that had a second tuner generally cost close to $200 more than TV;s with a single tuner. I don't know any reason that should be the case, but it was. My Samsung with PIP has a QAM tuner and a cablecard slot, and I have a cable company dual tuner DVR. A nice feature of the PIP on the Samsung 5073 is that I can set it so that the two pictures are side by side, each taking up half of the screen. On a 50" that leaves both pictures at very watchable size on the rare occasions that I've used PIP. I've used it when watching something from the DVR (either live or recorded) on one side, and watching a sporting or news event on the other. During half time in some football fame I left the game on on one side, and watched something else on the other side. That is the only kind of use I've made of PIP and that is very limited. For my wide, I think that setting th TV to the rarely used PIP, switching between the tuner in the TV and the DVR, and managing the sound is far beyond her interests or desires and will never happen. If PIP is implemented within the DVR it may get used a little bit more. Bernie |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
Your 'system' as stated on your links doesn't have enough HP for that you
asshole! ....and with that I bid you KILLFILE SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] Since you insist on top posting.. I know you were talking to me you moron, but what you are too benighted to understand was that the $5 tuner I was talking about wasn't a PCI tuner card but the bare tuner chip. That's what they'd use for PIP in a TV. And I've never stated anything about buying tuner cards for $5 on ebay. I have stated under $20 and I've bought more than one for under $20. Now go to ebay and see if you can find a cheap brain to replace your obviously defective one. On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:12:37 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: FLAME My my... I wasn't replying to the OP, I was replying to you (that's what 'nesting' is all about). YOU were the one to bring up your $5 BS. You never miss your chance to brag about your cheap alternative (LINUX box w/ free software, cheap tuners, yadda, yadda, yadda). So frgg'n what! I guess you don't consider your labor time valuable. I consider paying a few $$$thousand for 'state-of-the-art' cheap in comparison to my labor rates. I currently run 4 NTSC tuners and 2 ATSC tuners on my main setup (MCE2005 w/ 2 PVR500 pci & 2 FusionHDTV5 Express pci-e)... and could easily add 4 more on USB... with 1.5TByts of dedicated video storage in RAID5. Top that ****head! I didn't know we had a competition going on. So you can add 4 more tuners on usb. So what. So could I, plus 9 more PCI tuners in the other slave backends, and then as many more ethernet tuners as I wanted. I don't see your point to all this. I only have have 600GB of dedicated video storage at this time. If I needed more, I could certainly add it. And I don't consider it important enough to run as raid 5 so I run mine in raid 0. So I guess you win the storage part.:-) You bottom posting idiot! (contrary to popular folklore...'usenet' has no rules as to top or bottom posting - it's a matter of personal preference - and a soure of many an idiot's flame-war) /FLAME SoCalCommie Well, you can be jerk and not consider those that come behing your top posting that are trying to follow the thread and it gets all screwed up. But I'd expect nothing else from a person like you. There's a reason top posting is not considered good. i guess you're just too damn stupid to understand it. "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:15:07 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) You frickin top posting moron, he's not talking about PCI or STB tuners. He's talking about a second tuner in the TV. They actually cost less than $5 each. More like $3 each in quanty of 1000. now crawl back in your hole, peek your head out and watch and learn something. If you want to be a know it all, you should at least know something. BTW, there is a license fee for ATSC, but I think that would cover multiple tuners in a device. No, I don't know for sure, but even if a fee is required per tuner, I recall it being about $6. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
Please do not kill file Wes - he is way to much fun,,,
He is legally blind - yet lectures endlessly about how ,much better HD looks on 17 inch computer monitor..?? Thinks he is "getting back" what he paid into Social Security,,,,and that it is not a "transfer tax". Believes that Medicare at 80 bucks a month is expensive, and calls people that factually point out that the equivalent level of private Health Insurance would cost over $2000 a month a liar... Believes, despite every economic fact/publication to the contrary, that he is going to continue to get free OTA HD programing,,after 2009. just to much dam fun to kill file,,,!!! "SoCalCommie" wrote: Your 'system' as stated on your links doesn't have enough HP for that you asshole! ...and with that I bid you KILLFILE SoCalCommie "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] Since you insist on top posting.. I know you were talking to me you moron, but what you are too benighted to understand was that the $5 tuner I was talking about wasn't a PCI tuner card but the bare tuner chip. That's what they'd use for PIP in a TV. And I've never stated anything about buying tuner cards for $5 on ebay. I have stated under $20 and I've bought more than one for under $20. Now go to ebay and see if you can find a cheap brain to replace your obviously defective one. On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:12:37 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: FLAME My my... I wasn't replying to the OP, I was replying to you (that's what 'nesting' is all about). YOU were the one to bring up your $5 BS. You never miss your chance to brag about your cheap alternative (LINUX box w/ free software, cheap tuners, yadda, yadda, yadda). So frgg'n what! I guess you don't consider your labor time valuable. I consider paying a few $$$thousand for 'state-of-the-art' cheap in comparison to my labor rates. I currently run 4 NTSC tuners and 2 ATSC tuners on my main setup (MCE2005 w/ 2 PVR500 pci & 2 FusionHDTV5 Express pci-e)... and could easily add 4 more on USB... with 1.5TByts of dedicated video storage in RAID5. Top that ****head! I didn't know we had a competition going on. So you can add 4 more tuners on usb. So what. So could I, plus 9 more PCI tuners in the other slave backends, and then as many more ethernet tuners as I wanted. I don't see your point to all this. I only have have 600GB of dedicated video storage at this time. If I needed more, I could certainly add it. And I don't consider it important enough to run as raid 5 so I run mine in raid 0. So I guess you win the storage part.:-) You bottom posting idiot! (contrary to popular folklore...'usenet' has no rules as to top or bottom posting - it's a matter of personal preference - and a soure of many an idiot's flame-war) /FLAME SoCalCommie Well, you can be jerk and not consider those that come behing your top posting that are trying to follow the thread and it gets all screwed up. But I'd expect nothing else from a person like you. There's a reason top posting is not considered good. i guess you're just too damn stupid to understand it. "Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:15:07 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote: Stop with the $5.00 crap for a DTV tuner. They don't exist - not even on eBay! (You must have bought 'em all!) You frickin top posting moron, he's not talking about PCI or STB tuners. He's talking about a second tuner in the TV. They actually cost less than $5 each. More like $3 each in quanty of 1000. now crawl back in your hole, peek your head out and watch and learn something. If you want to be a know it all, you should at least know something. BTW, there is a license fee for ATSC, but I think that would cover multiple tuners in a device. No, I don't know for sure, but even if a fee is required per tuner, I recall it being about $6. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
Picture-in-picture. Do you want it?
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:42:22 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote:
Your 'system' as stated on your links doesn't have enough HP for that you asshole! WTF are you talking about moron? I don't have the hardware I use listed anywhere on my site. I'm using an Athlon 64 AM2 X2 dual core today. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
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