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asdf March 4th 07 06:35 PM

Blue-Ray or HDDVD on a pioneer PRO-1140HD vs sony xbr3 ?
 
Is there any difference between viewing the Blue-Ray or HDDVD on the
pioneer plasmas or the sonys ?

I am wondering because the sony has a higher definition:

pioneer - 1,365 x 768

compared to - 1920x1080

Does this matter when looking at Blue-ray ?

Also - they guy from best buy says that with the plasma you can see
your reflection in it.

We plan to put the tv in the den - there are no windows in the den so
I wont have a problem with
sunlight. Because the room is darker I am leaning towards the
plasma ?

Any suggestions on above ?

Thanks.


Bill McClain March 4th 07 08:28 PM

Blue-Ray or HDDVD on a pioneer PRO-1140HD vs sony xbr3 ?
 
On 2007-03-04, asdf wrote:
Is there any difference between viewing the Blue-Ray or HDDVD on the
pioneer plasmas or the sonys ?


I am wondering because the sony has a higher definition:


pioneer - 1,365 x 768


compared to - 1920x1080


Does this matter when looking at Blue-ray ?


Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are recorded at 1920 x 1080 so the higher resolution
display could use the whole image without rescaling.

However: whether you can see the increased resolution depends on the screen
size and how far you sit from it. Study the charts in this article:

http://www.carltonbale.com/blog/2006...p-does-matter/

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Jeff Shoaf March 4th 07 09:05 PM

Blue-Ray or HDDVD on a pioneer PRO-1140HD vs sony xbr3 ?
 
asdf wrote:
Is there any difference between viewing the Blue-Ray or HDDVD on the
pioneer plasmas or the sonys ?

I am wondering because the sony has a higher definition:

pioneer - 1,365 x 768

compared to - 1920x1080

Does this matter when looking at Blue-ray ?

Also - they guy from best buy says that with the plasma you can see
your reflection in it.

We plan to put the tv in the den - there are no windows in the den so
I wont have a problem with
sunlight. Because the room is darker I am leaning towards the
plasma ?

Any suggestions on above ?

Thanks.


Objective reviews that I've read tend to agree that although Blue-Ray is
slightly technically superior (1080p compared to HD-DVD's 1080i), the
quality of the mastering of the DVD is more of a factor than the player
technology. In other words, some Blue-Ray discs look better than some
HD-DVD discs and some HD-DVD discs look better than some Blue-Ray discs.

eHDMI March 4th 07 11:17 PM

Blue-Ray or HDDVD on a pioneer PRO-1140HD vs sony xbr3 ?
 
On Mar 4, 11:35 am, "asdf" wrote:
Is there any difference between viewing the Blue-Ray or HDDVD on the
pioneer plasmas or the sonys ?

I am wondering because the sony has a higher definition:

pioneer - 1,365 x 768

compared to - 1920x1080

Does this matter when looking at Blue-ray ?

Also - they guy from best buy says that with the plasma you can see
your reflection in it.

We plan to put the tv in the den - there are no windows in the den so
I wont have a problem with
sunlight. Because the room is darker I am leaning towards the
plasma ?

Any suggestions on above ?

Thanks.


I can tell you that Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD now. The issue is
which one will survive? You dont want to pick the loser, otherwise you
will never get content :) If you get a Blu-Ray player, consider just
getting a PS3....Game AND Blu-Ray player for less.

Keith
http://www.eHDMI.com


Alan March 5th 07 07:45 AM

Blue-Ray or HDDVD on a pioneer PRO-1140HD vs sony xbr3 ?
 
In article om "asdf" writes:
Is there any difference between viewing the Blue-Ray or HDDVD on the
pioneer plasmas or the sonys ?

I am wondering because the sony has a higher definition:

pioneer - 1,365 x 768

compared to - 1920x1080

Does this matter when looking at Blue-ray ?


Probably not.

Also - they guy from best buy says that with the plasma you can see
your reflection in it.


Well, why don't you look at one instead of trusting the "guy brom best buy"?


We plan to put the tv in the den - there are no windows in the den so
I wont have a problem with
sunlight. Because the room is darker I am leaning towards the
plasma ?


It probably won't matter.

Alan

Mac Cool March 6th 07 07:52 AM

Blue-Ray or HDDVD on a pioneer PRO-1140HD vs sony xbr3 ?
 
Jeff Shoaf:

(1080p compared to HD-DVD's 1080i)


they are both 1080p

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Ric Seyler March 6th 07 06:04 PM

Blue-Ray or HDDVD on a pioneer PRO-1140HD vs sony xbr3 ?
 


Jeff Shoaf wrote:

asdf wrote:

Is there any difference between viewing the Blue-Ray or HDDVD on the
pioneer plasmas or the sonys ?

I am wondering because the sony has a higher definition:

pioneer - 1,365 x 768

compared to - 1920x1080

Does this matter when looking at Blue-ray ?

Also - they guy from best buy says that with the plasma you can see
your reflection in it.

We plan to put the tv in the den - there are no windows in the den so
I wont have a problem with
sunlight. Because the room is darker I am leaning towards the
plasma ?

Any suggestions on above ?

Thanks.


Objective reviews that I've read tend to agree that although Blue-Ray
is slightly technically superior (1080p compared to HD-DVD's 1080i),
the quality of the mastering of the DVD is more of a factor than the
player technology. In other words, some Blue-Ray discs look better
than some HD-DVD discs and some HD-DVD discs look better than some
Blue-Ray discs.


Both have 1080p now. And there is also a combo player that is 1080p.

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R Sweeney March 7th 07 01:29 AM

Blue-Ray or HDDVD on a pioneer PRO-1140HD vs sony xbr3 ?
 

"Jeff Shoaf" wrote in message
...
asdf wrote:
Is there any difference between viewing the Blue-Ray or HDDVD on the
pioneer plasmas or the sonys ?

I am wondering because the sony has a higher definition:

pioneer - 1,365 x 768

compared to - 1920x1080

Does this matter when looking at Blue-ray ?

Also - they guy from best buy says that with the plasma you can see
your reflection in it.

We plan to put the tv in the den - there are no windows in the den so
I wont have a problem with
sunlight. Because the room is darker I am leaning towards the
plasma ?

Any suggestions on above ?

Thanks.


Objective reviews that I've read tend to agree that although Blue-Ray is
slightly technically superior (1080p compared to HD-DVD's 1080i), the
quality of the mastering of the DVD is more of a factor than the player
technology. In other words, some Blue-Ray discs look better than some
HD-DVD discs and some HD-DVD discs look better than some Blue-Ray discs.


I have read that while virtually all HD-DVD discs are dual layer 30GB, 80%
of BD discs are 25GB single layer.

That, coupled with the BD's near universal use of the inefficient/uglier
MPEG2 vs the more efficient/artifact resistant codec used in most HD-DVD's
could have some something to do with BD's "poor showing".




Jack Hollis March 12th 07 08:03 PM

Blue-Ray or HDDVD on a pioneer PRO-1140HD vs sony xbr3 ?
 
On 4 Mar 2007 14:17:27 -0800, "eHDMI" wrote:

I can tell you that Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD now. The issue is
which one will survive?


HD-DVD will win out for the same reason that VHS won out over BetaMax.
The porn industry has decided to use HD-DVD like they decided to use
VHS.

Camper March 13th 07 09:15 AM

Blue-Ray or HDDVD on a pioneer PRO-1140HD vs sony xbr3 ?
 

"Jack Hollis" wrote in message
...
On 4 Mar 2007 14:17:27 -0800, "eHDMI" wrote:

I can tell you that Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD now. The issue is
which one will survive?


HD-DVD will win out for the same reason that VHS won out over BetaMax.
The porn industry has decided to use HD-DVD like they decided to use
VHS.


I had no trouble getting porn movies to watch on my BetaMax VCR!



Jack Hollis March 13th 07 04:20 PM

Blue-Ray or HDDVD on a pioneer PRO-1140HD vs sony xbr3 ?
 
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:15:05 GMT, "Camper"
wrote:

"Jack Hollis" wrote in message
.. .
On 4 Mar 2007 14:17:27 -0800, "eHDMI" wrote:

I can tell you that Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD now. The issue is
which one will survive?


HD-DVD will win out for the same reason that VHS won out over BetaMax.
The porn industry has decided to use HD-DVD like they decided to use
VHS.


I had no trouble getting porn movies to watch on my BetaMax VCR!



I never had a Betamax but word was that Sony refused to licence it to
the porn industry. I suppose that pirated content could have ended up
on Betamax.

In any case, when you went to a video rental store back in the early
80s all the porn tapes were VHS and that was one of the reasons that
VHS won out over what was basically a better format.

Market conditions are different now but if the consumer sees that
most, or all, of the porn titles are available in only HD-DVD it will
influence sales of hardware.

Another factor that hurts Blu-Ray is Sony's poor sales for its PS3.
Sony is lucky that Nintendo didn't offer a HD-DVD option with its Wii
game console, but rumor has it that it will soon.

Ultimately, the consumer will decide, but you have to remember that
the porn industry is bigger than the movie industry.

Camper March 14th 07 08:44 AM

Blue-Ray or HDDVD on a pioneer PRO-1140HD vs sony xbr3 ?
 

"Jack Hollis" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:15:05 GMT, "Camper"
wrote:

"Jack Hollis" wrote in message
. ..
On 4 Mar 2007 14:17:27 -0800, "eHDMI" wrote:

I can tell you that Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD now. The issue is
which one will survive?

HD-DVD will win out for the same reason that VHS won out over BetaMax.
The porn industry has decided to use HD-DVD like they decided to use
VHS.


I had no trouble getting porn movies to watch on my BetaMax VCR!



I never had a Betamax but word was that Sony refused to licence it to
the porn industry. I suppose that pirated content could have ended up
on Betamax.

In any case, when you went to a video rental store back in the early
80s all the porn tapes were VHS and that was one of the reasons that
VHS won out over what was basically a better format.

Market conditions are different now but if the consumer sees that
most, or all, of the porn titles are available in only HD-DVD it will
influence sales of hardware.

Another factor that hurts Blu-Ray is Sony's poor sales for its PS3.
Sony is lucky that Nintendo didn't offer a HD-DVD option with its Wii
game console, but rumor has it that it will soon.

Ultimately, the consumer will decide, but you have to remember that
the porn industry is bigger than the movie industry.


In the 80s you could rent the same porn movies either on Beta or VHS so the
story about Sony not licensing to the porn industry is just a story.



Doug March 14th 07 02:26 PM

Blue-Ray or HDDVD on a pioneer PRO-1140HD vs sony xbr3 ?
 
On Mar 13, 11:20 am, Jack Hollis wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:15:05 GMT, "Camper"
wrote:

"Jack Hollis" wrote in message
.. .
On 4 Mar 2007 14:17:27 -0800, "eHDMI" wrote:


I can tell you that Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD now. The issue is
which one will survive?


HD-DVD will win out for the same reason that VHS won out over BetaMax.
The porn industry has decided to use HD-DVD like they decided to use
VHS.


I had no trouble getting porn movies to watch on my BetaMax VCR!


I never had a Betamax but word was that Sony refused to licence it to
the porn industry. I suppose that pirated content could have ended up
on Betamax.

In any case, when you went to a video rental store back in the early
80s all the porn tapes were VHS and that was one of the reasons that
VHS won out over what was basically a better format.

Market conditions are different now but if the consumer sees that
most, or all, of the porn titles are available in only HD-DVD it will
influence sales of hardware.

Another factor that hurts Blu-Ray is Sony's poor sales for its PS3.
Sony is lucky that Nintendo didn't offer a HD-DVD option with its Wii
game console, but rumor has it that it will soon.

Ultimately, the consumer will decide, but you have to remember that
the porn industry is bigger than the movie industry.


I don't know where you get your rumors from but I wouldn't go there
any more. You've posted twice about the Wii getting an HD-DVD option.
I think they may want to look at a DVD option first, since it will not
even play DVD's right now (which is what they are talking about).
Also, what would be the point of an HD-DVD player on a device that can
only output 480p maximum resolution?

Check your rumors, Wii isn't an HD console. Its a fun console, but not
an HD console. (I really hope this doesn't get the Wii debate going
again).



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