OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

I have been looking forward to seeing these technologies physically
for about half a year now, and was wondering what you guys are looking
forward to more?

The OLED is where I think all the technology fun is going to be. It
is possible for OLEDs to be printed on more flexible substrates,
meaning they could be embedded on clothing or you could have a rollup
screen. And the unbelievably "paper-thin" OLEDs are going to be
amazing to behold. They already have a photo out of a 40" OLED, that
is as thin as a CD jewel case. They are currently having trouble with
the blue OLEDs since there is a problem with it only having a life of
around 5,000 hours. But recently, they have been experimenting with
replacing chemical component for a phosphorescent one, and have
increased the hours to 20,000 hours.

I like the fact that the SED is going to be sort of an LCD combined
with a CRT. It will have superior viewing angles, black levels, and
pixel response time (inherent in CRTs), while having the slim feature
and high contrast ratio seen in plasma and LCD technologies. Canon,
who is working with Toshiba on the SED technology, have announced that
it will also consume less power than LCD displays, which is a huge
plus. It has been said that the technology is expected to hit in late
07, but then again it has been moved back plenty of times.

Imagine the drop in prices for LCDs and Plasmas after these things
have been out for a while and they start to get more competitively
priced.

What are your thoughts? You guys looking forward to these
technologies as much as I am?

-Trey

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

"Trey Rozsa" wrote in message
...
I have been looking forward to seeing these technologies physically
for about half a year now, and was wondering what you guys are looking
forward to more?

The OLED is where I think all the technology fun is going to be. It
is possible for OLEDs to be printed on more flexible substrates,
meaning they could be embedded on clothing or you could have a rollup
screen. And the unbelievably "paper-thin" OLEDs are going to be
amazing to behold. They already have a photo out of a 40" OLED, that
is as thin as a CD jewel case. They are currently having trouble with
the blue OLEDs since there is a problem with it only having a life of
around 5,000 hours. But recently, they have been experimenting with
replacing chemical component for a phosphorescent one, and have
increased the hours to 20,000 hours.

I like the fact that the SED is going to be sort of an LCD combined
with a CRT. It will have superior viewing angles, black levels, and
pixel response time (inherent in CRTs), while having the slim feature
and high contrast ratio seen in plasma and LCD technologies. Canon,
who is working with Toshiba on the SED technology, have announced that
it will also consume less power than LCD displays, which is a huge
plus. It has been said that the technology is expected to hit in late
07, but then again it has been moved back plenty of times.

Imagine the drop in prices for LCDs and Plasmas after these things
have been out for a while and they start to get more competitively
priced.

What are your thoughts? You guys looking forward to these
technologies as much as I am?

-Trey


I too am looking forward to that stuff coming out. If for no other reason
the fact
that once they start coming out the current stuff will drop more in price to
a point
I can afford them. But, I wonder just how long that will be in coming?
Supposedly,
OLED is going to start showing up in tv's this year. ( it's already used in
some
cell phone displays) It really depends on wheather or not the big names
decide to
switch over, or add the technology to their current lines. Which could be a
hinderence
since they already have so much invested in new fabs for the larger LCD &
Plasma panels.
Maybe, by the time it does arrive (in an affordable price range) some of the
DRM stuff will
go away. ( like what is starting to happen with the music industry)
james

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Den 08.02.2007 kl. 23:12 skrev Trey Rozsa :

I have been looking forward to seeing these technologies physically
for about half a year now, and was wondering what you guys are looking
forward to more?

The OLED is where I think all the technology fun is going to be. It
is possible for OLEDs to be printed on more flexible substrates,
meaning they could be embedded on clothing or you could have a rollup
screen. And the unbelievably "paper-thin" OLEDs are going to be
amazing to behold. They already have a photo out of a 40" OLED, that
is as thin as a CD jewel case. They are currently having trouble with
the blue OLEDs since there is a problem with it only having a life of
around 5,000 hours. But recently, they have been experimenting with
replacing chemical component for a phosphorescent one, and have
increased the hours to 20,000 hours.

I like the fact that the SED is going to be sort of an LCD combined
with a CRT. It will have superior viewing angles, black levels, and
pixel response time (inherent in CRTs), while having the slim feature
and high contrast ratio seen in plasma and LCD technologies. Canon,
who is working with Toshiba on the SED technology, have announced that
it will also consume less power than LCD displays, which is a huge
plus. It has been said that the technology is expected to hit in late
07, but then again it has been moved back plenty of times.

Imagine the drop in prices for LCDs and Plasmas after these things
have been out for a while and they start to get more competitively
priced.

What are your thoughts? You guys looking forward to these
technologies as much as I am?

-Trey
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Listen to this:
"Toshiba's President Nishida cited the active matrix organic EL
(electroluminescence)(OLED :jens) display as a potential successor to the
SED. That is why Toshiba invests in the polycrystalline Si (p-Si) TFT line
(at Toshiba Matsu****a Display Technology Co., Ltd.), he added. However,
"The technology has only become applicable to a 3- or 4-inch display and
it is impossible to create a 40-inch organic EL display in 2 to 3 years.
It is even difficult to achieve it in 2015 to 2016. We will pursue the SED
until then, but management requires to consider about 10, 20 years ahead,"
Nishida said."

Toshiba has just withdrawn from the cooperation with Canon to make the SED
television. That pospones the arrival with a further year. Now Canon is
alone on the project.

So what my dreams are right now and in the forseable future is a Plasma
TV. Although the plasma is "only" 1080 X 768 it shows the HD content far
better than a LCD with 1920 X 1080. Everybody that has seen it agrees. The
black levels, the depth, the contrast levels. It is also superior in
showing SD TV, and that is a strong point. SD TV on a LCD is a
catastrophe!IMHO.;-)
Plasma Tv will arive in the foreseable future with even higher definition.
I just saw that they have made a prototype of a 42" in full HD.:
http://www.itechnews.net/2007/01/10/...p-plasma-hdtv/

That is the future in a long perspective, i think.
Greets
Jens


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"Trey Rozsa" wrote in message
...
I have been looking forward to seeing these technologies physically
for about half a year now, and was wondering what you guys are looking
forward to more?

The OLED is where I think all the technology fun is going to be. It
is possible for OLEDs to be printed on more flexible substrates,
meaning they could be embedded on clothing or you could have a rollup
screen. And the unbelievably "paper-thin" OLEDs are going to be
amazing to behold. They already have a photo out of a 40" OLED, that
is as thin as a CD jewel case. They are currently having trouble with
the blue OLEDs since there is a problem with it only having a life of
around 5,000 hours. But recently, they have been experimenting with
replacing chemical component for a phosphorescent one, and have
increased the hours to 20,000 hours.

I like the fact that the SED is going to be sort of an LCD combined
with a CRT. It will have superior viewing angles, black levels, and
pixel response time (inherent in CRTs), while having the slim feature
and high contrast ratio seen in plasma and LCD technologies. Canon,
who is working with Toshiba on the SED technology, have announced that
it will also consume less power than LCD displays, which is a huge
plus. It has been said that the technology is expected to hit in late
07, but then again it has been moved back plenty of times.

Imagine the drop in prices for LCDs and Plasmas after these things
have been out for a while and they start to get more competitively
priced.

What are your thoughts? You guys looking forward to these
technologies as much as I am?

-Trey

SED near term
OLED long term

I fully expect the next HDTV I buy will be an SED.

But...
I expect the BEST HDTV I will ever buy will be an OLED.
I also expect the biggest will be OLED and the cheapest will be OLED.

An unusual combination.

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

In article Trey Rozsa writes:

The OLED is where I think all the technology fun is going to be. It
is possible for OLEDs to be printed on more flexible substrates,
meaning they could be embedded on clothing or you could have a rollup
screen. And the unbelievably "paper-thin" OLEDs are going to be
amazing to behold.

I like the fact that the SED is going to be sort of an LCD combined
with a CRT. It will have superior viewing angles, black levels, and
pixel response time (inherent in CRTs), while having the slim feature
and high contrast ratio seen in plasma and LCD technologies.

What are your thoughts? You guys looking forward to these
technologies as much as I am?

My thoughts are that one should believe what is being delivered, and
stop believing the press releases.

The OLED suffers from life problems, 20,000 hours (if they ever manage it)
is still way shorter than LCD or plasma. They have yet to demonstrate actually
delivering the panels, and they have yet to demonstrate how the driving electronics
will be any cheaper than the other technologies.

The SED has been overdue for some time now, and keeps getting pushed back.
It might be nice *if* it ever happens, but it will have lots of catching up
to do with respect to plasma. And, the claims of its performance are just
that - claims - until people start delivering them.


Alan

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

Trey Rozsa wrote:

It [SED] will have superior viewing angles, black levels, and
pixel response time (inherent in CRTs), while having the slim feature
and high contrast ratio seen in plasma and LCD technologies.

Errr.... Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but... What on earth
are you talking about???

High contrast ration seen in Plasma and LCD??? The contrast ratio
of Plasma is pretty close to an utterly intolerable for someone
with reasonably good eyesight and reasonable level of tolerance.

LCD is so unbelievably below the absolutely minimally tolerable
level in terms of contrast ratio.

SEDs reportedly have excellent contrast ratio *UNLIKE* Plasma or
LCD (and that unlike has such particular emphasis --- the contrast
ratio of SEDs reportedly is unbleievably good, whereas for Plasma
is particularly bad, and for LCDs is beyond unbelievably bad).

Again, someone corrects me if I'm wrong?


Carlos
--

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

I'm looking forward to the Star Trek holodeck - hitting the shelves this
Christmas, they say! lol

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

"ZVR" wrote in message
ng.com...
I'm looking forward to the Star Trek holodeck - hitting the shelves this
Christmas, they say! lol


Dang, I missed that announcement!! Hope it's within my price range.
If not, I'll have to hang out at Circut City or Best Buy and check it out!
:-)

james

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

"Alan" wrote in message
...
In article Trey Rozsa
writes:

The OLED is where I think all the technology fun is going to be. It
is possible for OLEDs to be printed on more flexible substrates,
meaning they could be embedded on clothing or you could have a rollup
screen. And the unbelievably "paper-thin" OLEDs are going to be
amazing to behold.

I like the fact that the SED is going to be sort of an LCD combined
with a CRT. It will have superior viewing angles, black levels, and
pixel response time (inherent in CRTs), while having the slim feature
and high contrast ratio seen in plasma and LCD technologies.

What are your thoughts? You guys looking forward to these
technologies as much as I am?

My thoughts are that one should believe what is being delivered, and
stop believing the press releases.

The OLED suffers from life problems, 20,000 hours (if they ever manage
it)
is still way shorter than LCD or plasma. They have yet to demonstrate
actually
delivering the panels, and they have yet to demonstrate how the driving
electronics
will be any cheaper than the other technologies.

The SED has been overdue for some time now, and keeps getting pushed
back.
It might be nice *if* it ever happens, but it will have lots of catching
up
to do with respect to plasma. And, the claims of its performance are just
that - claims - until people start delivering them.


Alan

It's not quite that bad, both SED's and OLED's have been demo'd in lab
versions for years.

I have seen both with my own eyes at SID conferences. Both are beautiful,
though the OLED was by far the brightest, the darkest, the purest, the
fastest, the deepest/largest gamut, the finest pitch, the most seamless
display I have ever seen.

Production models will vary for sure, but the potential for bright as the
sun, impossibly beautiful imagery is certainly within OLED's grasp, assuming
the electrochemical aging stuff is solved.

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

OLED has some promise, SED might have more but I haven't seen a good
description on how it works.

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

"Mata Hari" wrote in message
...
OLED has some promise, SED might have more but I haven't seen a good
description on how it works.

carbon buckytube emitters shoot electrons into phosphors on screen surface

a flat crt

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

"R Sweeney" wrote in message
. ..

"Mata Hari" wrote in message
...
OLED has some promise, SED might have more but I haven't seen a good
description on how it works.

carbon buckytube emitters shoot electrons into phosphors on screen surface

a flat crt

oops, forgot something

except no mask, each buckytube array shoots into its own single color
phosphor cell

so you get flatness of a PDP with the viewing angle and dynamic range/gamut
of a CRT (except better since there are no lost or diffracted/bounced
electrons from the mask), with the long lifetime of electron phosphors
instead of shorter lived UV phosphors.

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

In article Carlos Moreno writes:
Trey Rozsa wrote:

It [SED] will have superior viewing angles, black levels, and
pixel response time (inherent in CRTs), while having the slim feature
and high contrast ratio seen in plasma and LCD technologies.

Well, plasma is reporte to have pretty much the same pixel response time as
CRTs.


Errr.... Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but... What on earth
are you talking about???

High contrast ration seen in Plasma and LCD??? The contrast ratio
of Plasma is pretty close to an utterly intolerable for someone
with reasonably good eyesight and reasonable level of tolerance.

LCD is so unbelievably below the absolutely minimally tolerable
level in terms of contrast ratio.

Many we see on display seem poor, but the specs indicate they can be set
up to do better. Once in a while I have seen them doing quite well.

It seems that the best of the LCDs may nose out the plasma sets on this.


SEDs reportedly have excellent contrast ratio *UNLIKE* Plasma or
^^^^^^^^^^
LCD (and that unlike has such particular emphasis --- the contrast
ratio of SEDs reportedly is unbleievably good, whereas for Plasma
is particularly bad, and for LCDs is beyond unbelievably bad).

Reportedly -- not actually, because you haven't seen any in stores, and
are unlikely to for quite some time, as their introduction has been pushed
off another year from recent reports.

Again, someone corrects me if I'm wrong?

The contrast ratio of plasma and LCD seems to be a good deal better than
sets that cannot be found in the stores.


Alan

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

In article "R Sweeney" writes:

so you get flatness of a PDP with the viewing angle and dynamic range/gamut
of a CRT (except better since there are no lost or diffracted/bounced
electrons from the mask), with the long lifetime of electron phosphors
instead of shorter lived UV phosphors.

It was my understanding that the electrons hitting the phosphors degraded
them faster than stimulating them with UV.

Alan

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

Den 09.02.2007 kl. 16:40 skrev Carlos Moreno
:

Trey Rozsa wrote:

It [SED] will have superior viewing angles, black levels, and
pixel response time (inherent in CRTs), while having the slim feature
and high contrast ratio seen in plasma and LCD technologies.

Errr.... Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but... What on earth
are you talking about???

High contrast ration seen in Plasma and LCD??? The contrast ratio
of Plasma is pretty close to an utterly intolerable for someone
with reasonably good eyesight and reasonable level of tolerance.

LCD is so unbelievably below the absolutely minimally tolerable
level in terms of contrast ratio.

SEDs reportedly have excellent contrast ratio *UNLIKE* Plasma or
LCD (and that unlike has such particular emphasis --- the contrast
ratio of SEDs reportedly is unbleievably good, whereas for Plasma
is particularly bad, and for LCDs is beyond unbelievably bad).

Again, someone corrects me if I'm wrong?
++++++++++++++
"You cannot correct a warrior, only fight against him.";-))

You can have contrast ratios of 5000:1 or 10.000:1 in a plasma TV.
When i see the sets i must say that i prefer the 10.000:1 absolutely.

LCD's will get more and more expensive as the contrast ratio goes up.
So to my way of thinking:"Contrast ratio is good!";-)))

The pictures i have seen from screen shots of SED-TV, it looks like a more
natural color and light setting.
The technology should be based on the old CRT, but instead of 1 electron
beam for the whole TV, there will be a mini electron beam behind every
pixel on the screen.

Greets
jens

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OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

Alan wrote:

SEDs reportedly have excellent contrast ratio *UNLIKE* Plasma or
^^^^^^^^^^

Reportedly -- not actually, because you haven't seen any in stores

How does this have anything to do with it? Reportedly means, as
I understand it, "according to reports" --- it does not imply who
gives those reports.

In this case, actual SED tv sets have been produced (not mass
produced, and certainly not commercially produced), but prototype
units of this technology have been already shown to the public.


Carlos
--

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

"Alan" wrote in message
...
In article "R Sweeney"
writes:

so you get flatness of a PDP with the viewing angle and dynamic
range/gamut
of a CRT (except better since there are no lost or diffracted/bounced
electrons from the mask), with the long lifetime of electron phosphors
instead of shorter lived UV phosphors.

It was my understanding that the electrons hitting the phosphors degraded
them faster than stimulating them with UV.

Alan

according to a solid state physicist working in phosphors who used to work
for me, they are different phosphors,

UV phosphors have lower lifetimes than electron ones

Although, there has been an incredible amount of progress in narrowing the
gap.

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

"Carlos Moreno" wrote in

How does this have anything to do with it? Reportedly means, as
I understand it, "according to reports" --- it does not imply who
gives those reports.

In this case, actual SED tv sets have been produced (not mass
produced, and certainly not commercially produced), but prototype
units of this technology have been already shown to the public.


Carlos

I have seen SED's (and the similar micromachined FED's) at conferences, MUCH
superior to anything else, save OLED.

And the OLED displays were shockingly good - even though they were
destroying themselves at the output levels they were emitting.

As bright as the sun / as dark as the night.

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

james wrote:

I'm looking forward to the Star Trek holodeck - hitting the shelves this
Christmas, they say! lol

Dang, I missed that announcement!! Hope it's within my price range.
If not, I'll have to hang out at Circut City or Best Buy and check it out!
:-)

Just be careful when you go there --- check the approximate size
of the building as seen from the outside; you don't want to be
fooled by a square mile with lots of fancy electronic gadgets
that IS nothing more than a holodeck simulation!!!

;-)

Carlos
--

OLED or SED? Which technology you looking forward to more?
 

"Carlos Moreno" wrote in message
...
james wrote:

I'm looking forward to the Star Trek holodeck - hitting the shelves this
Christmas, they say! lol

Dang, I missed that announcement!! Hope it's within my price range.
If not, I'll have to hang out at Circut City or Best Buy and check it
out!
:-)

Just be careful when you go there --- check the approximate size
of the building as seen from the outside; you don't want to be
fooled by a square mile with lots of fancy electronic gadgets
that IS nothing more than a holodeck simulation!!!

;-)

Carlos
--

Oh man, I forgot about that!!! Now, I won't be sure if what I'm seeing
is real or not. Some of those building sure seem big inside already.
Maybe, they are testing the holodeck without us knowing!!
I bet that the day after my 100th birthday and I drop dead, holodeck
technology will show up!
james