New way to watch HD on TV
 

It seams unnoticed in US that there is an other way to watch HD content.
I have the KISS DP600 witch you can see he
http://www.kiss-technology.com/

The player is a DIVX and as an important thing .wmv9 player.
The drive in it is an ordinary dvd player drive.
But the player is capable of outputting HD content up to 1920 X 1080 as
far as the capabilities of the TV goes.

At the moment i have a back projektion TV Sony KP-44PX.

So, if you download or buy the Microsoft HD wmv-format DVD's which at the
moment has a showcase on the internet for test and download, then you can
burn these files (or DivX/XVID files if you prefer) on an ordinary DVD-R
and put it in the player an watch the full definition on a HD TV or, on a
SCART or component inlet on an ordinary(like mine) CRT TV, in an to the TV
fitting downscaled resolution. Even on a CRT it looks amazing, and at
first i was convinced that it made my TV able to show the full
definiotion.(Sceptics tell me that it is not possible)-but i can see the
difference between 1920 x 1080 and lower formats even on the CRT TV via
SCART cable. Avoid using composit or super video cables as they do not
deliver the best quality.
SCART or component. SCART with the setting "RGB". Of course HDMI on a
HDTV. There are all cables in the KISS KP600 box.

So this enables us to an amazing amount of posibilities.
A HD DVD could be converted to HD DivX, and burned on a DVD-R. After that
it can be watched in FULL HD via the Kiss Player on a HDTV. Many free or
minimal pay programmes are able to convert in full 1920 X 1080 with manual
selection of the bitrate.

If you have a HD video recorder you can take the full HD, edit, and burn
it on a DVD-R and play it in full HD format, in either DivX-XVID-MPEG4 or
WMV9.
The player does not by now support H264 compression, which at the moment
is the most compressed video file format.
Furthermore the palayer is equiped with WIFI.
You can stream from Windows or MAC-personal computer any content to the
player. It even goes on the internet and are able to opdate itself.(I have
an Intel MAC)
It also has USB2.
The streaming and USB2 has some limitations though. Afyter my own
investigations it will stream up to 1343 KiloBits per second. That is
sufficient for ordinary DivX movies which use a default bitrate about 900
Kilobits second, but insufficient to HD homemade or Microsoft HD wmv
content which stream about 10.000 kilobits/sec.
For that content you have to burn a DVD-R or DVD-RW.

The player has frequent updates, and you have to suffer a bit. Mabee you
insert a record and the player will not read the files or displays dark
screen.;-) Then you have to use the main switch butten on the player and
give it a new start. Then everything will come on fine.;-)

The ability of the player is magnificent in both ordinary DVD play and HD
play. You just have not seen a high quality picture like this player is
able to deliver.

It could be a tool to free the consumers of the format tyranny!;-)))

Just thought you should now, as i think that you are the most interested.
The danes are just not ready for this kind of information yet!;-)))

Greets
jens
Denmark
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New way to watch HD on TV
 

I have a WMV-HD comercial disk (To the Limit) that plays thru my P4 based
system at 1080p (I too downloaded the 'clips' from Micrsoft's 'HD media
showcase' website). The disk is full double layer (8.5 G), contains both
720p and 1080p WMVs, but the feature is only 38 minutes long. So, unless
you're willing to apply a lot of compression to the program, it wouldn't be
possible to put a 'feature length' (120 minute) movie on a regular 4.7 G
DVD-R.

TTUL... John

"Lyrik" wrote in message
...

It seams unnoticed in US that there is an other way to watch HD content.
I have the KISS DP600 witch you can see he
http://www.kiss-technology.com/

The player is a DIVX and as an important thing .wmv9 player.
The drive in it is an ordinary dvd player drive.
But the player is capable of outputting HD content up to 1920 X 1080 as
far as the capabilities of the TV goes.

At the moment i have a back projektion TV Sony KP-44PX.

So, if you download or buy the Microsoft HD wmv-format DVD's which at the
moment has a showcase on the internet for test and download, then you can
burn these files (or DivX/XVID files if you prefer) on an ordinary DVD-R
and put it in the player an watch the full definition on a HD TV or, on a
SCART or component inlet on an ordinary(like mine) CRT TV, in an to the TV
fitting downscaled resolution. Even on a CRT it looks amazing, and at
first i was convinced that it made my TV able to show the full
definiotion.(Sceptics tell me that it is not possible)-but i can see the
difference between 1920 x 1080 and lower formats even on the CRT TV via
SCART cable. Avoid using composit or super video cables as they do not
deliver the best quality.
SCART or component. SCART with the setting "RGB". Of course HDMI on a
HDTV. There are all cables in the KISS KP600 box.

So this enables us to an amazing amount of posibilities.
A HD DVD could be converted to HD DivX, and burned on a DVD-R. After that
it can be watched in FULL HD via the Kiss Player on a HDTV. Many free or
minimal pay programmes are able to convert in full 1920 X 1080 with manual
selection of the bitrate.

If you have a HD video recorder you can take the full HD, edit, and burn
it on a DVD-R and play it in full HD format, in either DivX-XVID-MPEG4 or
WMV9.
The player does not by now support H264 compression, which at the moment
is the most compressed video file format.
Furthermore the palayer is equiped with WIFI.
You can stream from Windows or MAC-personal computer any content to the
player. It even goes on the internet and are able to opdate itself.(I have
an Intel MAC)
It also has USB2.
The streaming and USB2 has some limitations though. Afyter my own
investigations it will stream up to 1343 KiloBits per second. That is
sufficient for ordinary DivX movies which use a default bitrate about 900
Kilobits second, but insufficient to HD homemade or Microsoft HD wmv
content which stream about 10.000 kilobits/sec.
For that content you have to burn a DVD-R or DVD-RW.

The player has frequent updates, and you have to suffer a bit. Mabee you
insert a record and the player will not read the files or displays dark
screen.;-) Then you have to use the main switch butten on the player and
give it a new start. Then everything will come on fine.;-)

The ability of the player is magnificent in both ordinary DVD play and HD
play. You just have not seen a high quality picture like this player is
able to deliver.

It could be a tool to free the consumers of the format tyranny!;-)))

Just thought you should now, as i think that you are the most interested.
The danes are just not ready for this kind of information yet!;-)))

Greets
jens
Denmark
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New way to watch HD on TV
 

Another thing, I checked out the 'Kiss' link and reviewed the specs. Nowhere
does it mention HDCP compatability (Hi-bandwidth Digital Copyright
Protection). I don't know if this is an issue in Europe, but it sure is in
the US.

TTUL... John

"Lyrik" wrote in message
...

It seams unnoticed in US that there is an other way to watch HD content.
I have the KISS DP600 witch you can see he
http://www.kiss-technology.com/

The player is a DIVX and as an important thing .wmv9 player.
The drive in it is an ordinary dvd player drive.
But the player is capable of outputting HD content up to 1920 X 1080 as
far as the capabilities of the TV goes.

At the moment i have a back projektion TV Sony KP-44PX.

So, if you download or buy the Microsoft HD wmv-format DVD's which at the
moment has a showcase on the internet for test and download, then you can
burn these files (or DivX/XVID files if you prefer) on an ordinary DVD-R
and put it in the player an watch the full definition on a HD TV or, on a
SCART or component inlet on an ordinary(like mine) CRT TV, in an to the TV
fitting downscaled resolution. Even on a CRT it looks amazing, and at
first i was convinced that it made my TV able to show the full
definiotion.(Sceptics tell me that it is not possible)-but i can see the
difference between 1920 x 1080 and lower formats even on the CRT TV via
SCART cable. Avoid using composit or super video cables as they do not
deliver the best quality.
SCART or component. SCART with the setting "RGB". Of course HDMI on a
HDTV. There are all cables in the KISS KP600 box.

So this enables us to an amazing amount of posibilities.
A HD DVD could be converted to HD DivX, and burned on a DVD-R. After that
it can be watched in FULL HD via the Kiss Player on a HDTV. Many free or
minimal pay programmes are able to convert in full 1920 X 1080 with manual
selection of the bitrate.

If you have a HD video recorder you can take the full HD, edit, and burn
it on a DVD-R and play it in full HD format, in either DivX-XVID-MPEG4 or
WMV9.
The player does not by now support H264 compression, which at the moment
is the most compressed video file format.
Furthermore the palayer is equiped with WIFI.
You can stream from Windows or MAC-personal computer any content to the
player. It even goes on the internet and are able to opdate itself.(I have
an Intel MAC)
It also has USB2.
The streaming and USB2 has some limitations though. Afyter my own
investigations it will stream up to 1343 KiloBits per second. That is
sufficient for ordinary DivX movies which use a default bitrate about 900
Kilobits second, but insufficient to HD homemade or Microsoft HD wmv
content which stream about 10.000 kilobits/sec.
For that content you have to burn a DVD-R or DVD-RW.

The player has frequent updates, and you have to suffer a bit. Mabee you
insert a record and the player will not read the files or displays dark
screen.;-) Then you have to use the main switch butten on the player and
give it a new start. Then everything will come on fine.;-)

The ability of the player is magnificent in both ordinary DVD play and HD
play. You just have not seen a high quality picture like this player is
able to deliver.

It could be a tool to free the consumers of the format tyranny!;-)))

Just thought you should now, as i think that you are the most interested.
The danes are just not ready for this kind of information yet!;-)))

Greets
jens
Denmark
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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:54:23 -0800, SoCalCommie wrote:

Another thing, I checked out the 'Kiss' link and reviewed the specs. Nowhere
does it mention HDCP compatability (Hi-bandwidth Digital Copyright
Protection). I don't know if this is an issue in Europe, but it sure is in
the US.

And it only supports PAL/Secam. That's not used in the US.:-)

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No, according to the specs http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=600en&v=users ,
it supports PAL / NTSC.

TTUL... John

"Wes Newell" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:54:23 -0800, SoCalCommie wrote:

Another thing, I checked out the 'Kiss' link and reviewed the specs.
Nowhere
does it mention HDCP compatability (Hi-bandwidth Digital Copyright
Protection). I don't know if this is an issue in Europe, but it sure is
in
the US.

And it only supports PAL/Secam. That's not used in the US.:-)

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New way to watch HD on TV
 

On Feb 8, 9:46 am, "SoCalCommie" wrote:
I have a WMV-HD comercial disk (To the Limit) that plays thru my P4 based
system at 1080p (I too downloaded the 'clips' from Micrsoft's 'HD media
showcase' website). The disk is full double layer (8.5 G), contains both
720p and 1080p WMVs, but the feature is only 38 minutes long. So, unless
you're willing to apply a lot of compression to the program, it wouldn't be
possible to put a 'feature length' (120 minute) movie on a regular 4.7 G
DVD-R.

TTUL... John

"Lyrik" wrote in message

...



It seams unnoticed in US that there is an other way to watch HD content.
I have the KISS DP600 witch you can see he
http://www.kiss-technology.com/

The player is a DIVX and as an important thing .wmv9 player.
The drive in it is an ordinary dvd player drive.
But the player is capable of outputting HD content up to 1920 X 1080 as
far as the capabilities of the TV goes.

At the moment i have a back projektion TV Sony KP-44PX.

So, if you download or buy the Microsoft HD wmv-format DVD's which at the
moment has a showcase on the internet for test and download, then you can
burn these files (or DivX/XVID files if you prefer) on an ordinary DVD-R
and put it in the player an watch the full definition on a HD TV or, on a
SCART or component inlet on an ordinary(like mine) CRT TV, in an to the TV
fitting downscaled resolution. Even on a CRT it looks amazing, and at
first i was convinced that it made my TV able to show the full
definiotion.(Sceptics tell me that it is not possible)-but i can see the
difference between 1920 x 1080 and lower formats even on the CRT TV via
SCART cable. Avoid using composit or super video cables as they do not
deliver the best quality.
SCART or component. SCART with the setting "RGB". Of course HDMI on a
HDTV. There are all cables in the KISS KP600 box.

So this enables us to an amazing amount of posibilities.
A HD DVD could be converted to HD DivX, and burned on a DVD-R. After that
it can be watched in FULL HD via the Kiss Player on a HDTV. Many free or
minimal pay programmes are able to convert in full 1920 X 1080 with manual
selection of the bitrate.

If you have a HD video recorder you can take the full HD, edit, and burn
it on a DVD-R and play it in full HD format, in either DivX-XVID-MPEG4 or
WMV9.
The player does not by now support H264 compression, which at the moment
is the most compressed video file format.
Furthermore the palayer is equiped with WIFI.
You can stream from Windows or MAC-personal computer any content to the
player. It even goes on the internet and are able to opdate itself.(I have
an Intel MAC)
It also has USB2.
The streaming and USB2 has some limitations though. Afyter my own
investigations it will stream up to 1343 KiloBits per second. That is
sufficient for ordinary DivX movies which use a default bitrate about 900
Kilobits second, but insufficient to HD homemade or Microsoft HD wmv
content which stream about 10.000 kilobits/sec.
For that content you have to burn a DVD-R or DVD-RW.

The player has frequent updates, and you have to suffer a bit. Mabee you
insert a record and the player will not read the files or displays dark
screen.;-) Then you have to use the main switch butten on the player and
give it a new start. Then everything will come on fine.;-)

The ability of the player is magnificent in both ordinary DVD play and HD
play. You just have not seen a high quality picture like this player is
able to deliver.

It could be a tool to free the consumers of the format tyranny!;-)))

Just thought you should now, as i think that you are the most interested.
The danes are just not ready for this kind of information yet!;-)))

Greets
jens
Denmark
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Why would you need to use a 4.7G DVD-R, why not a DL disc? Presumably
the unit can read dual layer discs since all commercial movies are on
dual layer discs?

Just curious.

New way to watch HD on TV
 

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:19:42 -0800, SoCalCommie wrote:

No, according to the specs http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=600en&v=users ,
it supports PAL / NTSC.

TTUL... John

Different model. Still, you can't get HD with NTSC.

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Different model? DP-600 is what... different from the DP600? And the
discussion wasn't about Hi-Def TV from normal broadcast sources (mostly crap
content anyway - I HATE pro-sports and don't particuarily care for episodic
shows - I watch movies).

TTUL... John

"Wes Newell" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:19:42 -0800, SoCalCommie wrote:

No, according to the specs
http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=600en&v=users ,
it supports PAL / NTSC.

TTUL... John

Different model. Still, you can't get HD with NTSC.

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Den 08.02.2007 kl. 15:46 skrev SoCalCommie :

I have a WMV-HD comercial disk (To the Limit) that plays thru my P4 based
system at 1080p (I too downloaded the 'clips' from Micrsoft's 'HD media
showcase' website). The disk is full double layer (8.5 G), contains both
720p and 1080p WMVs, but the feature is only 38 minutes long. So, unless
you're willing to apply a lot of compression to the program, it wouldn't
be
possible to put a 'feature length' (120 minute) movie on a regular 4.7 G
DVD-R.

TTUL... John
++++++++
Glad you brought that up.
Microsoft wmv HD fortmat uses a bitrate under 10.000 kilobits/sek. So
obviously the 38 minutes is not due to limits in bits, but limits in the
film length itself.
With 10.000 kilobits/sek for mpeg4 or wmv you would have 1 hour HD-film on
a singlelayer DVD-R. So we see that nearly every movie could fit a doubble
layer disc.
And there are several possibilities to tweek the codecs, which we haven't
considered.

Greets
Jens


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Den 08.02.2007 kl. 22:08 skrev Bates :

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Why would you need to use a 4.7G DVD-R, why not a DL disc? Presumably
the unit can read dual layer discs since all commercial movies are on
dual layer discs?

Just curious.
++++++++++
You are so right. The player is able to read double layer discs.



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Den 08.02.2007 kl. 15:54 skrev SoCalCommie :

Another thing, I checked out the 'Kiss' link and reviewed the specs.
Nowhere
does it mention HDCP compatability (Hi-bandwidth Digital Copyright
Protection). I don't know if this is an issue in Europe, but it sure is
in
the US.

TTUL... John
+++++++++++++++
HDCP is not-and maybe never shall be implemented in DVD content. The
posibility exists, but not a single firm have implemented it! There are
several reasons. first of all, no one can see the reason for doing it. For
the second, Microsoft fights against implementing it, and have taken all
factories under oath for not doing it!
That is because the XBOX 360 does not have a HDMI plug. It only has
component (3 RCA plugs in different colours) which is an analog
connection, that cannot have HDCP encoding. Should HDCP be implementet in
DVD playing, then the quality of XBOX content should only be shown with
1/3 of full quality! It would render the XBOX360 useless!

So up to now (and forever) HDPC is only implementet in TV content.

So cheer up!;-)


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Den 08.02.2007 kl. 22:56 skrev Wes Newell :

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:19:42 -0800, SoCalCommie wrote:

No, according to the specs
http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=600en&v=users ,
it supports PAL / NTSC.

TTUL... John

Different model. Still, you can't get HD with NTSC.
++++++++++++
You can certenly get HD content playing in full 1920 X 1080, because the
player outputs the picture to your HDTV and it is a HD player.
But it is not the same formats as the HD content on a HDDVD. It is DivX
with the same quality or wmv with the same quality. You deside. which
quality and which bitrate.

Greets Jens





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"Lyrik" wrote in message
...
HDCP is not-and maybe never shall be implemented in DVD content. The
posibility exists, but not a single firm have implemented it! There are
several reasons. first of all, no one can see the reason for doing it. For
the second, Microsoft fights against implementing it, and have taken all
factories under oath for not doing it!
That is because the XBOX 360 does not have a HDMI plug. It only has
component (3 RCA plugs in different colours) which is an analog
connection, that cannot have HDCP encoding. Should HDCP be implementet in
DVD playing, then the quality of XBOX content should only be shown with
1/3 of full quality! It would render the XBOX360 useless!

So up to now (and forever) HDPC is only implementet in TV content.

So cheer up!;-)


Microsoft is fighting against HDCP?? It's built into their latest operating
system, Windows VISTA.
They call it Digital Rights Management. They are one of the biggest
supporters of DRM & HDCP
other than the content providers themselves. Personally, I wish all of them
would drop the whole
DRM & HDCP thing. You can have a monitor that is capable of displaying HD
content and it not
have an HDCP enabled, DVI or HDMI connector on it, and the playback software
in a HD-DVD drive will either reduce the output resolution of the video or
refuse to play it at all.
I know that the reason for DRM & HDCP is to protect their content and reduce
piracy, (they'll never get rid
of it) but all they are actually doing is forcing people that have hardware
that is capable of handling HD
(if it were not for the DRM & HDCP thing) to purchase newer, DRM &
HDCP-enabled equipment.
james





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Den 08.02.2007 kl. 23:58 skrev james :


"Lyrik" wrote in message
...
HDCP is not-and maybe never shall be implemented in DVD content. The
posibility exists, but not a single firm have implemented it! There are
several reasons. first of all, no one can see the reason for doing it.
For
the second, Microsoft fights against implementing it, and have taken all
factories under oath for not doing it!
That is because the XBOX 360 does not have a HDMI plug. It only has
component (3 RCA plugs in different colours) which is an analog
connection, that cannot have HDCP encoding. Should HDCP be implementet
in
DVD playing, then the quality of XBOX content should only be shown with
1/3 of full quality! It would render the XBOX360 useless!

So up to now (and forever) HDPC is only implementet in TV content.

So cheer up!;-)


Microsoft is fighting against HDCP?? It's built into their latest
operating
system, Windows VISTA.
...
james
+++++++++
Yeah!;-)) Isn't that funny?;-))
They are speaking with two tungs. You see they did not foresee that they
would be the first victim of the implementation on DVD content! It is so
funny!;-)))"He who digs a grave for others, often fall into it himself!"
Greets jens

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"Lyrik" wrote in message
...
Den 08.02.2007 kl. 23:58 skrev james :


"Lyrik" wrote in message
...
HDCP is not-and maybe never shall be implemented in DVD content. The
posibility exists, but not a single firm have implemented it! There are
several reasons. first of all, no one can see the reason for doing it.
For
the second, Microsoft fights against implementing it, and have taken all
factories under oath for not doing it!
That is because the XBOX 360 does not have a HDMI plug. It only has
component (3 RCA plugs in different colours) which is an analog
connection, that cannot have HDCP encoding. Should HDCP be implementet
in
DVD playing, then the quality of XBOX content should only be shown with
1/3 of full quality! It would render the XBOX360 useless!

So up to now (and forever) HDPC is only implementet in TV content.

So cheer up!;-)


Microsoft is fighting against HDCP?? It's built into their latest
operating
system, Windows VISTA.
..
james
+++++++++
Yeah!;-)) Isn't that funny?;-))
They are speaking with two tungs. You see they did not foresee that they
would be the first victim of the implementation on DVD content! It is so
funny!;-)))"He who digs a grave for others, often fall into it himself!"
Greets jens

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I'm sure you are talking about the HD-DVD's being copied with the XBox 360
HD drives
and using WinDVD (not a Microsoft product) to grab the keys to decode the
HD-DVD movies.
I am sure that Microsoft and others are all a bit upset over that one. But,
now, it's not limited
to HD-DVD. I have read that Blue Ray has fallen to a similar hack. I think
that before the studios
keep investing tons of money in this stuff, that they drop it all together
and just lower the prices
of the movies to the point it's not worth the effort for the majority of
people to even consider
copying movies. But, given the amount of greed involved, I don't see that
happening anytime
soon either.
james

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In an ideal world, there would be NO COMPRESSION. Unfortunately, that would
require a file size per 2 hour movie greater than any reasonable storage
device available today. Whatever compression scheme is used, DATA is lost
(DivX, WMV, MPEG2 or 4). Bit rates are selective. Compression schemes are
still in development - based on perceived 'quality'! WMV-HD is perceived to
be better than MPEG-2, but that doesn't mean that some people will see a
difference (or care).

BTW... checking out the bit-rate and resolution on my 'WMV-HD 1080p' disk of
'To the Limit', Media Player (WMP-11) reports: 2.22 Gbytes, with a 'bit-rate
of 8469kbps, and a resolution of 1440 x 1080!!! (NOT 1920 x 1080 - but it
still blows away standard DVD.)

TTUL... John

"Lyrik" wrote in message
...
Den 08.02.2007 kl. 22:56 skrev Wes Newell :

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:19:42 -0800, SoCalCommie wrote:

No, according to the specs
http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=600en&v=users ,
it supports PAL / NTSC.

TTUL... John

Different model. Still, you can't get HD with NTSC.
++++++++++++
You can certenly get HD content playing in full 1920 X 1080, because the
player outputs the picture to your HDTV and it is a HD player.
But it is not the same formats as the HD content on a HDDVD. It is DivX
with the same quality or wmv with the same quality. You deside. which
quality and which bitrate.

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On Feb 8, 9:27 pm, "SoCalCommie" wrote:
In an ideal world, there would be NO COMPRESSION. Unfortunately,
that would
require a file size per 2 hour movie greater than any reasonable
storage
device available today. Whatever compression scheme is used, DATA
is lost
(DivX, WMV, MPEG2 or 4). Bit rates are selective. Compression
schemes are
still in development - based on perceived 'quality'! WMV-HD is
perceived to
be better than MPEG-2, but that doesn't mean that some people will
see a
difference (or care).

BTW... checking out the bit-rate and resolution on my 'WMV-HD
1080p' disk of
'To the Limit', Media Player (WMP-11) reports: 2.22 Gbytes, with a
'bit-rate
of 8469kbps, and a resolution of 1440 x 1080!!! (NOT 1920 x 1080 -
but it
still blows away standard DVD.)

TTUL... John


I was editing some OTA HD tonight for home viewing Saturday night. The
Fox (KTTV LA) shows were running 15 Mbits, KCBS 17.5, KCET (PBS) 11.5,
KABC 12. As for uncompressed HD, you're talking 1.5 Gbit / second
which looks really good but you're talking $80,000 tape machines.

GG

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When you talk about OTA... I don't have any experience. I live in the
'heart' of a major city (7th largest in the US), in a 3 story building,
surrounded by 20+ story edifices. There's no hope for me to receive OTA! I
believe you.. I can't prove it one way or another.

TTUL... John
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On Feb 8, 9:27 pm, "SoCalCommie" wrote:
In an ideal world, there would be NO COMPRESSION. Unfortunately,
that would
require a file size per 2 hour movie greater than any reasonable
storage
device available today. Whatever compression scheme is used, DATA
is lost
(DivX, WMV, MPEG2 or 4). Bit rates are selective. Compression
schemes are
still in development - based on perceived 'quality'! WMV-HD is
perceived to
be better than MPEG-2, but that doesn't mean that some people will
see a
difference (or care).

BTW... checking out the bit-rate and resolution on my 'WMV-HD
1080p' disk of
'To the Limit', Media Player (WMP-11) reports: 2.22 Gbytes, with a
'bit-rate
of 8469kbps, and a resolution of 1440 x 1080!!! (NOT 1920 x 1080 -
but it
still blows away standard DVD.)

TTUL... John


I was editing some OTA HD tonight for home viewing Saturday night. The
Fox (KTTV LA) shows were running 15 Mbits, KCBS 17.5, KCET (PBS) 11.5,
KABC 12. As for uncompressed HD, you're talking 1.5 Gbit / second
which looks really good but you're talking $80,000 tape machines.

GG

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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:30:09 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote:

Different model? DP-600 is what... different from the DP600? And the
discussion wasn't about Hi-Def TV from normal broadcast sources (mostly crap
content anyway - I HATE pro-sports and don't particuarily care for episodic
shows - I watch movies).

TTUL... John

I got sidetracked looking at this one. I don't care about dvd players.

http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=vr558en&v=users

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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:50:14 +0100, Lyrik wrote:

Den 08.02.2007 kl. 22:56 skrev Wes Newell :

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:19:42 -0800, SoCalCommie wrote:

No, according to the specs
http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=600en&v=users ,
it supports PAL / NTSC.

TTUL... John

Different model. Still, you can't get HD with NTSC.
++++++++++++
You can certenly get HD content playing in full 1920 X 1080, because the
player outputs the picture to your HDTV and it is a HD player.
But it is not the same formats as the HD content on a HDDVD. It is DivX
with the same quality or wmv with the same quality. You deside. which
quality and which bitrate.

I can do all that with the DVD drive in my PC. I don't need another dvd
player. For me, this whole box is nothing but a boat anchor without ATSC.

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"SoCalCommie" wrote in message
et...
When you talk about OTA... I don't have any experience. I live in the
'heart' of a major city (7th largest in the US), in a 3 story building,
surrounded by 20+ story edifices. There's no hope for me to receive OTA! I
believe you.. I can't prove it one way or another.

Have you tried to receive OTA? Strong RF does a pretty good job playing
pinball with steel and glass.

New way to watch HD on TV
 

SoCalCommie wrote:
When you talk about OTA... I don't have any experience. I live in
the 'heart' of a major city (7th largest in the US), in a 3 story
building, surrounded by 20+ story edifices. There's no hope for me
to receive OTA!

Don't be so sure. I live in the heart of San Francisco, and am able to
pick up every one of the ATSC channels from the two nearest broadcast
towers.

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Yeechang Lee wrote:
Don't be so sure. I live in the heart of San Francisco, and am able to
pick up every one of the ATSC channels from the two nearest broadcast
towers.

I forgot to add ". . . with a $20 indoor antenna."

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