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Den 08.02.2007 kl. 15:54 skrev SoCalCommie :

Another thing, I checked out the 'Kiss' link and reviewed the specs.
Nowhere
does it mention HDCP compatability (Hi-bandwidth Digital Copyright
Protection). I don't know if this is an issue in Europe, but it sure is
in
the US.

TTUL... John
+++++++++++++++
HDCP is not-and maybe never shall be implemented in DVD content. The
posibility exists, but not a single firm have implemented it! There are
several reasons. first of all, no one can see the reason for doing it. For
the second, Microsoft fights against implementing it, and have taken all
factories under oath for not doing it!
That is because the XBOX 360 does not have a HDMI plug. It only has
component (3 RCA plugs in different colours) which is an analog
connection, that cannot have HDCP encoding. Should HDCP be implementet in
DVD playing, then the quality of XBOX content should only be shown with
1/3 of full quality! It would render the XBOX360 useless!

So up to now (and forever) HDPC is only implementet in TV content.

So cheer up!;-)


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Den 08.02.2007 kl. 22:56 skrev Wes Newell :

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:19:42 -0800, SoCalCommie wrote:

No, according to the specs
http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=600en&v=users ,
it supports PAL / NTSC.

TTUL... John

Different model. Still, you can't get HD with NTSC.
++++++++++++
You can certenly get HD content playing in full 1920 X 1080, because the
player outputs the picture to your HDTV and it is a HD player.
But it is not the same formats as the HD content on a HDDVD. It is DivX
with the same quality or wmv with the same quality. You deside. which
quality and which bitrate.

Greets Jens





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"Lyrik" wrote in message
...
HDCP is not-and maybe never shall be implemented in DVD content. The
posibility exists, but not a single firm have implemented it! There are
several reasons. first of all, no one can see the reason for doing it. For
the second, Microsoft fights against implementing it, and have taken all
factories under oath for not doing it!
That is because the XBOX 360 does not have a HDMI plug. It only has
component (3 RCA plugs in different colours) which is an analog
connection, that cannot have HDCP encoding. Should HDCP be implementet in
DVD playing, then the quality of XBOX content should only be shown with
1/3 of full quality! It would render the XBOX360 useless!

So up to now (and forever) HDPC is only implementet in TV content.

So cheer up!;-)


Microsoft is fighting against HDCP?? It's built into their latest operating
system, Windows VISTA.
They call it Digital Rights Management. They are one of the biggest
supporters of DRM & HDCP
other than the content providers themselves. Personally, I wish all of them
would drop the whole
DRM & HDCP thing. You can have a monitor that is capable of displaying HD
content and it not
have an HDCP enabled, DVI or HDMI connector on it, and the playback software
in a HD-DVD drive will either reduce the output resolution of the video or
refuse to play it at all.
I know that the reason for DRM & HDCP is to protect their content and reduce
piracy, (they'll never get rid
of it) but all they are actually doing is forcing people that have hardware
that is capable of handling HD
(if it were not for the DRM & HDCP thing) to purchase newer, DRM &
HDCP-enabled equipment.
james





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Den 08.02.2007 kl. 23:58 skrev james :


"Lyrik" wrote in message
...
HDCP is not-and maybe never shall be implemented in DVD content. The
posibility exists, but not a single firm have implemented it! There are
several reasons. first of all, no one can see the reason for doing it.
For
the second, Microsoft fights against implementing it, and have taken all
factories under oath for not doing it!
That is because the XBOX 360 does not have a HDMI plug. It only has
component (3 RCA plugs in different colours) which is an analog
connection, that cannot have HDCP encoding. Should HDCP be implementet
in
DVD playing, then the quality of XBOX content should only be shown with
1/3 of full quality! It would render the XBOX360 useless!

So up to now (and forever) HDPC is only implementet in TV content.

So cheer up!;-)


Microsoft is fighting against HDCP?? It's built into their latest
operating
system, Windows VISTA.
...
james
+++++++++
Yeah!;-)) Isn't that funny?;-))
They are speaking with two tungs. You see they did not foresee that they
would be the first victim of the implementation on DVD content! It is so
funny!;-)))"He who digs a grave for others, often fall into it himself!"
Greets jens

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"Lyrik" wrote in message
...
Den 08.02.2007 kl. 23:58 skrev james :


"Lyrik" wrote in message
...
HDCP is not-and maybe never shall be implemented in DVD content. The
posibility exists, but not a single firm have implemented it! There are
several reasons. first of all, no one can see the reason for doing it.
For
the second, Microsoft fights against implementing it, and have taken all
factories under oath for not doing it!
That is because the XBOX 360 does not have a HDMI plug. It only has
component (3 RCA plugs in different colours) which is an analog
connection, that cannot have HDCP encoding. Should HDCP be implementet
in
DVD playing, then the quality of XBOX content should only be shown with
1/3 of full quality! It would render the XBOX360 useless!

So up to now (and forever) HDPC is only implementet in TV content.

So cheer up!;-)


Microsoft is fighting against HDCP?? It's built into their latest
operating
system, Windows VISTA.
..
james
+++++++++
Yeah!;-)) Isn't that funny?;-))
They are speaking with two tungs. You see they did not foresee that they
would be the first victim of the implementation on DVD content! It is so
funny!;-)))"He who digs a grave for others, often fall into it himself!"
Greets jens

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I'm sure you are talking about the HD-DVD's being copied with the XBox 360
HD drives
and using WinDVD (not a Microsoft product) to grab the keys to decode the
HD-DVD movies.
I am sure that Microsoft and others are all a bit upset over that one. But,
now, it's not limited
to HD-DVD. I have read that Blue Ray has fallen to a similar hack. I think
that before the studios
keep investing tons of money in this stuff, that they drop it all together
and just lower the prices
of the movies to the point it's not worth the effort for the majority of
people to even consider
copying movies. But, given the amount of greed involved, I don't see that
happening anytime
soon either.
james

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In an ideal world, there would be NO COMPRESSION. Unfortunately, that would
require a file size per 2 hour movie greater than any reasonable storage
device available today. Whatever compression scheme is used, DATA is lost
(DivX, WMV, MPEG2 or 4). Bit rates are selective. Compression schemes are
still in development - based on perceived 'quality'! WMV-HD is perceived to
be better than MPEG-2, but that doesn't mean that some people will see a
difference (or care).

BTW... checking out the bit-rate and resolution on my 'WMV-HD 1080p' disk of
'To the Limit', Media Player (WMP-11) reports: 2.22 Gbytes, with a 'bit-rate
of 8469kbps, and a resolution of 1440 x 1080!!! (NOT 1920 x 1080 - but it
still blows away standard DVD.)

TTUL... John

"Lyrik" wrote in message
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Den 08.02.2007 kl. 22:56 skrev Wes Newell :

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:19:42 -0800, SoCalCommie wrote:

No, according to the specs
http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=600en&v=users ,
it supports PAL / NTSC.

TTUL... John

Different model. Still, you can't get HD with NTSC.
++++++++++++
You can certenly get HD content playing in full 1920 X 1080, because the
player outputs the picture to your HDTV and it is a HD player.
But it is not the same formats as the HD content on a HDDVD. It is DivX
with the same quality or wmv with the same quality. You deside. which
quality and which bitrate.

Greets Jens





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On Feb 8, 9:27 pm, "SoCalCommie" wrote:
In an ideal world, there would be NO COMPRESSION. Unfortunately,
that would
require a file size per 2 hour movie greater than any reasonable
storage
device available today. Whatever compression scheme is used, DATA
is lost
(DivX, WMV, MPEG2 or 4). Bit rates are selective. Compression
schemes are
still in development - based on perceived 'quality'! WMV-HD is
perceived to
be better than MPEG-2, but that doesn't mean that some people will
see a
difference (or care).

BTW... checking out the bit-rate and resolution on my 'WMV-HD
1080p' disk of
'To the Limit', Media Player (WMP-11) reports: 2.22 Gbytes, with a
'bit-rate
of 8469kbps, and a resolution of 1440 x 1080!!! (NOT 1920 x 1080 -
but it
still blows away standard DVD.)

TTUL... John


I was editing some OTA HD tonight for home viewing Saturday night. The
Fox (KTTV LA) shows were running 15 Mbits, KCBS 17.5, KCET (PBS) 11.5,
KABC 12. As for uncompressed HD, you're talking 1.5 Gbit / second
which looks really good but you're talking $80,000 tape machines.

GG

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When you talk about OTA... I don't have any experience. I live in the
'heart' of a major city (7th largest in the US), in a 3 story building,
surrounded by 20+ story edifices. There's no hope for me to receive OTA! I
believe you.. I can't prove it one way or another.

TTUL... John
"G-squared" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 8, 9:27 pm, "SoCalCommie" wrote:
In an ideal world, there would be NO COMPRESSION. Unfortunately,
that would
require a file size per 2 hour movie greater than any reasonable
storage
device available today. Whatever compression scheme is used, DATA
is lost
(DivX, WMV, MPEG2 or 4). Bit rates are selective. Compression
schemes are
still in development - based on perceived 'quality'! WMV-HD is
perceived to
be better than MPEG-2, but that doesn't mean that some people will
see a
difference (or care).

BTW... checking out the bit-rate and resolution on my 'WMV-HD
1080p' disk of
'To the Limit', Media Player (WMP-11) reports: 2.22 Gbytes, with a
'bit-rate
of 8469kbps, and a resolution of 1440 x 1080!!! (NOT 1920 x 1080 -
but it
still blows away standard DVD.)

TTUL... John


I was editing some OTA HD tonight for home viewing Saturday night. The
Fox (KTTV LA) shows were running 15 Mbits, KCBS 17.5, KCET (PBS) 11.5,
KABC 12. As for uncompressed HD, you're talking 1.5 Gbit / second
which looks really good but you're talking $80,000 tape machines.

GG

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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:30:09 +0000, SoCalCommie wrote:

Different model? DP-600 is what... different from the DP600? And the
discussion wasn't about Hi-Def TV from normal broadcast sources (mostly crap
content anyway - I HATE pro-sports and don't particuarily care for episodic
shows - I watch movies).

TTUL... John

I got sidetracked looking at this one. I don't care about dvd players.

http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=vr558en&v=users

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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:50:14 +0100, Lyrik wrote:

Den 08.02.2007 kl. 22:56 skrev Wes Newell :

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:19:42 -0800, SoCalCommie wrote:

No, according to the specs
http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=600en&v=users ,
it supports PAL / NTSC.

TTUL... John

Different model. Still, you can't get HD with NTSC.
++++++++++++
You can certenly get HD content playing in full 1920 X 1080, because the
player outputs the picture to your HDTV and it is a HD player.
But it is not the same formats as the HD content on a HDDVD. It is DivX
with the same quality or wmv with the same quality. You deside. which
quality and which bitrate.

I can do all that with the DVD drive in my PC. I don't need another dvd
player. For me, this whole box is nothing but a boat anchor without ATSC.

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