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Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next
software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
In article .com, Ed
writes Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! It's part of the latest software "upgrade", HD boxes only at the moment and only some of them, as yet (haven't got mine, word is that some issues arose with it and the roll out was put on hold while they were sorted). It's apparently optional, you can disable it in the menu,. If you don't touch the remote for two hours, the box goes to standby. I can see a lot of irate calls to Sky Customer Services, when people are just getting to the climax of a movie and the box turns itself off, or towards the end of a football match, with a striker through on goal and off it goes :-) It's all very green, I suppose, but mine will be disabled as soon as I get the update. My Sky box is on 24/7 and will continue to be so, as it's linked to my TiVo, besides, I'm perfectly capable of switching something off myself, if I want it off. -- Sean Black |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Sean Black wrote: In article .com, Ed writes Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! It's part of the latest software "upgrade", HD boxes only at the moment and only some of them, as yet (haven't got mine, word is that some issues arose with it and the roll out was put on hold while they were sorted). It's apparently optional, you can disable it in the menu,. If you don't touch the remote for two hours, the box goes to standby. I Two hours? FFS! Like you say, many films run over 2 hours and if my box switched itself off five minutes from the end I'd go fcuking ballistic! As there isnt really a better way of deciding that the box isnt in use than no interraction from the remote for a set period of time, there should be some extra logic in that program that asks whether the same channel/programme is being watched. If a programme overruns the set 2 hour period, the logic would make the auto stand by wait for the end of the currently viewed programme/film, then a banner could come up saying 'autostand by in one minute' and off it goes unless you back up the banner to confirm you are still there? |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Ed wrote:
Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. -- "Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No." |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
"Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message
... Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. No. Because the EU should not exist. Fred. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
"Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. define "used"? Which devices are not "used" and left powered on, apart from possibly street lights. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Heracles Pollux wrote: "Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. define "used"? Which devices are not "used" and left powered on, apart from possibly street lights. VCRs, cookers, microwaves, tv decoder boxes, tvs... |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
"Ed" wrote in message oups.com... Heracles Pollux wrote: "Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. define "used"? Which devices are not "used" and left powered on, apart from possibly street lights. VCRs, cookers, microwaves, tv decoder boxes, tvs... All of which are in constant use. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Heracles Pollux wrote: "Ed" wrote in message oups.com... Heracles Pollux wrote: "Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. define "used"? Which devices are not "used" and left powered on, apart from possibly street lights. VCRs, cookers, microwaves, tv decoder boxes, tvs... All of which are in constant use. No, all of which should power off completely when not being used. There is no need for a cooker or a microwave to have a clock. A timer, yes, but that can come on at zero when the unit is powered up. Devices that need clocks like PVRs need to remain on at a very low power so that the time isnt lost and recordings can be made. TVs can and should be switched off completely when not in use, i.e. about 12 hours a day, 20 in some houses. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
"Ed" wrote in message ups.com... Heracles Pollux wrote: "Ed" wrote in message oups.com... Heracles Pollux wrote: "Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. define "used"? Which devices are not "used" and left powered on, apart from possibly street lights. VCRs, cookers, microwaves, tv decoder boxes, tvs... All of which are in constant use. No, all of which should power off completely when not being used. There is no need for a cooker or a microwave to have a clock. A timer, yes, but that can come on at zero when the unit is powered up. Devices that need clocks like PVRs need to remain on at a very low power so that the time isnt lost and recordings can be made. TVs can and should be switched off completely when not in use, i.e. about 12 hours a day, 20 in some houses. Ok, so now we want on to semantics. But do you not agree that if a user wants their TV set receiving and responding to Infra Red commands, the TV set needs power to that part of the system? If you want to stipulate that microwaves no longer have clocks, timers, and memory, then that is all very well, and you should make your argument for it. I doubt that would be popular with consumers though. You know full well that if the E.U. abandoned the TV stand by function, Europeans would do what Americans do instead, and simply leave the TV on all day. Or are you arguing for better transparency and improvements in stand by circuitry? |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Heracles Pollux wrote: "Ed" wrote in message ups.com... Heracles Pollux wrote: "Ed" wrote in message oups.com... Heracles Pollux wrote: "Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. define "used"? Which devices are not "used" and left powered on, apart from possibly street lights. VCRs, cookers, microwaves, tv decoder boxes, tvs... All of which are in constant use. No, all of which should power off completely when not being used. There is no need for a cooker or a microwave to have a clock. A timer, yes, but that can come on at zero when the unit is powered up. Devices that need clocks like PVRs need to remain on at a very low power so that the time isnt lost and recordings can be made. TVs can and should be switched off completely when not in use, i.e. about 12 hours a day, 20 in some houses. Ok, so now we want on to semantics. But do you not agree that if a user wants their TV set receiving and responding to Infra Red commands, the TV set needs power to that part of the system? If you want to stipulate that microwaves no longer have clocks, timers, and memory, then that is all very well, and you should make your argument for it. I doubt that would be popular with consumers though. You know full well that if the E.U. abandoned the TV stand by function, Europeans would do what Americans do instead, and simply leave the TV on all day. Or are you arguing for better transparency and improvements in stand by circuitry? Personally I take tony blairs stance, such as he re-iterated when challenged about whether he should cut down on his holiday flights recently "I personally think these things are a bit impractical actually to expect people to do that" i.e. I don't give a **** I was just making the point that lots of things are powered on for convenience rather than need. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
"Ed" wrote Personally I take tony blairs stance, such as he re-iterated when challenged about whether he should cut down on his holiday flights recently "I personally think these things are a bit impractical actually to expect people to do that" i.e. I don't give a **** I was just making the point that lots of things are powered on for convenience rather than need. Given that I'm asleep or at work between 3am and 6pm - I have mains timer switches on the 4 multiway extensions to turn off alot of those devices between those hours. No need to remember to switch anything off or on at the plug, which I'd stop bothering to do after a week anyway. This also helps to reset digiboxes which tend to freeze if not rebooted every week, this way they get a daily reboot. -- Mike |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
"Mike Redrobe" wrote in message .uk... "Ed" wrote Personally I take tony blairs stance, such as he re-iterated when challenged about whether he should cut down on his holiday flights recently "I personally think these things are a bit impractical actually to expect people to do that" i.e. I don't give a **** I was just making the point that lots of things are powered on for convenience rather than need. Given that I'm asleep or at work between 3am and 6pm - I have mains timer switches on the 4 multiway extensions to turn off alot of those devices between those hours. No need to remember to switch anything off or on at the plug, which I'd stop bothering to do after a week anyway. This also helps to reset digiboxes which tend to freeze if not rebooted every week, this way they get a daily reboot. -- Mike And just watch those capacitors/PSUs pop when they have been powered off and on for a couple of years. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
ABC wrote: "Mike Redrobe" wrote in message .uk... "Ed" wrote Personally I take tony blairs stance, such as he re-iterated when challenged about whether he should cut down on his holiday flights recently "I personally think these things are a bit impractical actually to expect people to do that" i.e. I don't give a **** I was just making the point that lots of things are powered on for convenience rather than need. Given that I'm asleep or at work between 3am and 6pm - I have mains timer switches on the 4 multiway extensions to turn off alot of those devices between those hours. No need to remember to switch anything off or on at the plug, which I'd stop bothering to do after a week anyway. This also helps to reset digiboxes which tend to freeze if not rebooted every week, this way they get a daily reboot. -- Mike And just watch those capacitors/PSUs pop when they have been powered off and on for a couple of years. That is what stand-by was invented for of course, electrical components fail more often if started from cold. Lights pop when you turn them on, for example, not while they are running. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
"Ed" wrote in message ups.com... ABC wrote: "Mike Redrobe" wrote in message .uk... "Ed" wrote Personally I take tony blairs stance, such as he re-iterated when challenged about whether he should cut down on his holiday flights recently "I personally think these things are a bit impractical actually to expect people to do that" i.e. I don't give a **** I was just making the point that lots of things are powered on for convenience rather than need. Given that I'm asleep or at work between 3am and 6pm - I have mains timer switches on the 4 multiway extensions to turn off alot of those devices between those hours. No need to remember to switch anything off or on at the plug, which I'd stop bothering to do after a week anyway. This also helps to reset digiboxes which tend to freeze if not rebooted every week, this way they get a daily reboot. -- Mike And just watch those capacitors/PSUs pop when they have been powered off and on for a couple of years. That is what stand-by was invented for of course, electrical components fail more often if started from cold. Lights pop when you turn them on, for example, not while they are running. So an E.U. plan that causes non-user-serviceable electrical systems to fail more often will require more energy to be wasted in the cost of replacing, transporting, and scraping those systems. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Heracles Pollux wrote: "Ed" wrote in message ups.com... ABC wrote: "Mike Redrobe" wrote in message .uk... "Ed" wrote Personally I take tony blairs stance, such as he re-iterated when challenged about whether he should cut down on his holiday flights recently "I personally think these things are a bit impractical actually to expect people to do that" i.e. I don't give a **** I was just making the point that lots of things are powered on for convenience rather than need. Given that I'm asleep or at work between 3am and 6pm - I have mains timer switches on the 4 multiway extensions to turn off alot of those devices between those hours. No need to remember to switch anything off or on at the plug, which I'd stop bothering to do after a week anyway. This also helps to reset digiboxes which tend to freeze if not rebooted every week, this way they get a daily reboot. -- Mike And just watch those capacitors/PSUs pop when they have been powered off and on for a couple of years. That is what stand-by was invented for of course, electrical components fail more often if started from cold. Lights pop when you turn them on, for example, not while they are running. So an E.U. plan that causes non-user-serviceable electrical systems to fail more often will require more energy to be wasted in the cost of replacing, transporting, and scraping those systems. You sound shocked. Surely they asked themselves 'why' do some things have a stand-by function before setting ridiculous targets based on 'wasted' electricity? |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
In article .com,
Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I was under the impression that most of the box was still active in standby mode. Obviously it still needs to receive IR signals and still needs to power the LNB, but not sure about the rest of it. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! Optional DOG removal button? -- ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Mark Fraser (News) wrote: In article .com, Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I was under the impression that most of the box was still active in standby mode. Obviously it still needs to receive IR signals and still needs to power the LNB, but not sure about the rest of it. Yes, and because of that most Sky boxes consume only about a watt less in standby, than they do in 'on'. It's more 'green bandwagon' ****e if true. 2 hours vastly exceeds the attention span of your average Sky viewer, so it's only a problem for the intelligent to worry about. It's going to make unattended recording of something a challenge for some people's set ups. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
In article .com, Mark
Carver writes Mark Fraser (News) wrote: In article .com, Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I was under the impression that most of the box was still active in standby mode. Obviously it still needs to receive IR signals and still needs to power the LNB, but not sure about the rest of it. Yes, and because of that most Sky boxes consume only about a watt less in standby, than they do in 'on'. That's what I thought, but when I made that comment on another forum, I was told that it wasn't the case with Sky+/HD boxes, as unlike TiVo, if you put them in standby the harddisk is no used, whereas with TiVo it's constantly recording a buffer of the last half hour of whatever channel you are on. It's more 'green bandwagon' ****e if true. Agreed, I'm yet to be convinced that this whole global climate change isn't just a normal thing that happens every few hundred/thousand/million (delete as applicable) years with our use or refrain from use of energy making negligible difference in the great scheme of things. 2 hours vastly exceeds the attention span of your average Sky viewer, so it's only a problem for the intelligent to worry about. It's going to make unattended recording of something a challenge for some people's set ups. At least, you can finally permanently switch off the pin request for pre-watershed movies, apparently, after the update. -- Sean Black |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Heracles Pollux wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. define "used"? Which devices are not "used" and left powered on, apart from possibly street lights. VCRs, Hi-Fis, Televisions, Set top boxes, VCRs etc. Basically anything that sits there doing **** all for most of its like to an audience of nobody because nobody could be arsed to put the device in standby or switch it off before going to work. Also note I said "by default". I.e. if you like you can disable the function. -- "Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No." |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Fred Finisterre wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. No. Because the EU should not exist. Fred. I think "In my opinion" would be appropriate qualifier. -- "Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No." |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Hi,
In article -aggs, Sean wrote: I was told that it wasn't the case with Sky+/HD boxes, as unlike TiVo, if you put them in standby the harddisk is no used My HD box is in standby whenever we're not actively watching it (it dual records more reliably if you don't leave it on and tuned to a channel), but it always manages to record stuff to the hard disk while it's in 'standby'. Andy |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
"Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. The trouble with this idea is that one person's reasonable will differ from the next person's. Some people will, quite reasonably, have their Sky boxes piped through to their hi-fi to listen to the radio all day long - when I worked at home I used to change the channel to a radio station at about 6am, had my breakfast, then did a days work follwed by another couple of hours of radio listening until I might have decided to watch some TV at about 7pm - so.... 13 hours without the box being touched yet it was in constant (and reasonable) use. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Ed wrote:
Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. They use even less if you unplug them. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Cardinal Chunder wrote:
Heracles Pollux wrote: "Cardinal Chunder" wrote: Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. define "used"? Which devices are not "used" and left powered on, apart from possibly street lights. VCRs, Hi-Fis, Televisions, Set top boxes, VCRs etc. Basically anything that sits there doing **** all for most of its like to an audience of nobody because nobody could be arsed to put the device in standby or switch it off before going to work. How is it different if someone is watching (or recording) a three hour movie? Or the Cup Final? Or the election night coverage? Some of the items you mention (TVs, Set-top boxes) are functioning correctly and exactly as intended when "not used and left powered on" (because "used" does not necessarily mean having its buttons pushed). Also note I said "by default". I.e. if you like you can disable the function. Thank goodness for that. Let's hope it works. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Heracles Pollux wrote:
Which devices are not "used" and left powered on, apart from possibly street lights. I am constantly astounded by the wastefulness of many people. Many of my customers leave their PCs on 24/7, though they rarely use them at all. The same people also tend to leave lights on in unused rooms, and radios and TVs on when unused also. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5 UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
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"Jomtien" wrote in message ... Heracles Pollux wrote: Which devices are not "used" and left powered on, apart from possibly street lights. I am constantly astounded by the wastefulness of many people. Many of my customers leave their PCs on 24/7, though they rarely use them at all. The same people also tend to leave lights on in unused rooms, and radios and TVs on when unused also. Different point. But in all those cases the devices are being "used" as the user commanded. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Jomtien wrote: Heracles Pollux wrote: Which devices are not "used" and left powered on, apart from possibly street lights. I am constantly astounded by the wastefulness of many people. Many of my customers leave their PCs on 24/7, though they rarely use them at all. The same people also tend to leave lights on in unused rooms, and radios and TVs on when unused also. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5 UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) My wife will always leave a light on in the playroom despite it being used for perhaps an hour a day, because 'it looks nicer from outside' FFS!!! This is just mad wimmin behaviour though, in the same way that she'll make the bed every morning and arrange the pillows in a precise fashion as if we were selling the place and expecting a load of people coming into out bedroom to examine it. WHY??? |
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JohnW wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. The trouble with this idea is that one person's reasonable will differ from the next person's. Some people will, quite reasonably, have their Sky boxes piped through to their hi-fi to listen to the radio all day long - when I worked at home I used to change the channel to a radio station at about 6am, had my breakfast, then did a days work follwed by another couple of hours of radio listening until I might have decided to watch some TV at about 7pm - so.... 13 hours without the box being touched yet it was in constant (and reasonable) use. Hence the reason for "by default". i.e if you don't like the default, change it or disable it altogether. Same should happen with computers - 30 mins of activity and into standby it goes. Again, if that doesn't suit you, then change to something else or disable it. The power savings and subsequent drop in CO2 emissions would be staggering if all devices did this. -- "Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No." |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
"Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Hence the reason for "by default". i.e if you don't like the default, change it or disable it altogether. Same should happen with computers - 30 mins of activity and into standby it goes. Again, if that doesn't suit you, then change to something else or disable it. The power savings and subsequent drop in CO2 emissions would be staggering if all devices did this. staggeringly small once you factored in the need to manufacture new systems to replace the old ones that prematurely failed. -- Tumbleweed email replies not necessary but to contact use; tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com |
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Tumbleweed wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Hence the reason for "by default". i.e if you don't like the default, change it or disable it altogether. Same should happen with computers - 30 mins of activity and into standby it goes. Again, if that doesn't suit you, then change to something else or disable it. The power savings and subsequent drop in CO2 emissions would be staggering if all devices did this. staggeringly small once you factored in the need to manufacture new systems to replace the old ones that prematurely failed. Why would systems fail prematurely when they do into a mode that the device is designed to support? Are you going to cite research that suggests putting a device into standby that measurably increases its likelihood of failing? -- "Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No." |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
In article , Cardinal Chunder
wrote: Tumbleweed wrote: "Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Hence the reason for "by default". i.e if you don't like the default, change it or disable it altogether. Same should happen with computers - 30 mins of activity and into standby it goes. Again, if that doesn't suit you, then change to something else or disable it. The power savings and subsequent drop in CO2 emissions would be staggering if all devices did this. staggeringly small once you factored in the need to manufacture new systems to replace the old ones that prematurely failed. Why would systems fail prematurely when they do into a mode that the device is designed to support? Are you going to cite research that suggests putting a device into standby that measurably increases its likelihood of failing? In any case putting a Sky box into 'standby' has no effect - all it does is mute the audio and video outputs. As to other equipment, some power units don't like being frequently disconnected from the mains and may fail when plugged back in (I've had this happen on two older JVC video recorders): the difference between standby and on in most cases is miniscule, although capacitors will probably last longer if left charged all the time, but we're talking fairly statistically insignificant differences here. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
"Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Tumbleweed wrote: "Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Hence the reason for "by default". i.e if you don't like the default, change it or disable it altogether. Same should happen with computers - 30 mins of activity and into standby it goes. Again, if that doesn't suit you, then change to something else or disable it. The power savings and subsequent drop in CO2 emissions would be staggering if all devices did this. staggeringly small once you factored in the need to manufacture new systems to replace the old ones that prematurely failed. Are you going to cite research that suggests putting a device into standby that measurably increases its likelihood of failing? sorry i sloppily read your message as as switching off, not standby. Tw |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
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says... "Jomtien" wrote in message ... Heracles Pollux wrote: Which devices are not "used" and left powered on, apart from possibly street lights. I am constantly astounded by the wastefulness of many people. Many of my customers leave their PCs on 24/7, though they rarely use them at all. The same people also tend to leave lights on in unused rooms, and radios and TVs on when unused also. Different point. But in all those cases the devices are being "used" as the user commanded. I'll turn lights off in rooms when they're not being used, but all my A/V stuff and PC will be on/off/standby as I wish for each particular thing. If anyone else wants to switch things off or unplug them when not in use then that's up to them, but what I don't like is other people (mainly the media) telling me what I should do with them as if it's making the Earth heat up, even though that's clearly ********. In fact, I'd like to scream loudly in the faces of environmentalists who bleat on about global warming and also the media who have had nothing else to talk about (other than CBB) than being "carbon neutral" or "offsetting carbon emissions". There'd be far less emissions if they stemmed the flow of effluent coming from their mouths. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1125 DVDs, 347 games, 299 CDs, 110 cinema films, 41 concerts, videos & news /* gears of war, beatles week, ridge racer 2 psp, call of duty 3, jarhead New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml DVDfever Youtube Channel - http://youtube.com/user/DVDfever |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
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says... JohnW wrote: "Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: Heard today that Sky boxes will have a new feature enabled in the next software package to make them automatically go into standby, as apparently they use half as much electricity when in standby mode. I wonder what other exciting stuff is lined up!! Sounds like a damned good idea. I wonder if EU law should mandate that that all consumer AV devices go into standby by default if not used for some reasonable period of time, e.g. 5 hours. The trouble with this idea is that one person's reasonable will differ from the next person's. Some people will, quite reasonably, have their Sky boxes piped through to their hi-fi to listen to the radio all day long - when I worked at home I used to change the channel to a radio station at about 6am, had my breakfast, then did a days work follwed by another couple of hours of radio listening until I might have decided to watch some TV at about 7pm - so.... 13 hours without the box being touched yet it was in constant (and reasonable) use. Hence the reason for "by default". i.e if you don't like the default, change it or disable it altogether. Same should happen with computers - 30 mins of activity and into standby it goes. Again, if that doesn't suit you, then change to something else or disable it. But any such change should only be able to be activated at the user's discretion. I don't want devices going into standby and me having to circumvent that. If I want something running 24/7 then no-one's telling ME not to do it! (Now envisaging a Young Ones-style, "Turn off your PC, spotty" :) -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1125 DVDs, 347 games, 299 CDs, 110 cinema films, 41 concerts, videos & news /* gears of war, beatles week, ridge racer 2 psp, call of duty 3, jarhead New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml DVDfever Youtube Channel - http://youtube.com/user/DVDfever |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
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says... In article , Cardinal Chunder wrote: Tumbleweed wrote: "Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message ... Hence the reason for "by default". i.e if you don't like the default, change it or disable it altogether. Same should happen with computers - 30 mins of activity and into standby it goes. Again, if that doesn't suit you, then change to something else or disable it. The power savings and subsequent drop in CO2 emissions would be staggering if all devices did this. staggeringly small once you factored in the need to manufacture new systems to replace the old ones that prematurely failed. Why would systems fail prematurely when they do into a mode that the device is designed to support? Are you going to cite research that suggests putting a device into standby that measurably increases its likelihood of failing? In any case putting a Sky box into 'standby' has no effect - all it does is mute the audio and video outputs. As to other equipment, some power units don't like being frequently disconnected from the mains and may fail when plugged back in (I've had this happen on two older JVC video recorders): And when it comes to PCs, often the people who switch them on/off at will, thus making the components go cold/hot all the time, are the same people who don't routinely virus- or spyware-check and end up wondering why it won't boot up properly next time (because the malware is kicking in on bootup) -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1125 DVDs, 347 games, 299 CDs, 110 cinema films, 41 concerts, videos & news /* gears of war, beatles week, ridge racer 2 psp, call of duty 3, jarhead New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml DVDfever Youtube Channel - http://youtube.com/user/DVDfever |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
"Roger Wilmut" wrote in message . .. In article , Cardinal Chunder wrote: In any case putting a Sky box into 'standby' has no effect - all it does is mute the audio and video outputs. Are you absolutely certain about this? I ask because I find that If the channel I'm watching is "skipping" (see very long Digital Spy thread if you want to read more about this), in most instances, the skipping will stop if I put the box into standby for a few seconds then switch it on again, unless the problem is due to a marginal power supply inadequacy switching into standby surely does more than you are suggesting. |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
Dom Robinson wrote:
what I don't like is other people (mainly the media) telling me what I should do with them as if it's making the Earth heat up, even though that's clearly ********. No, it isn't. The planet is warming up and this is starting to have a dramatic effect on the climate, and it is just the beginning. The main cause of global warming is mankind, and his excessive consumption of energy of all types. Something has to be done. I personally would vote for culling of 90% of the human population. Spanish flu and anthrax could save the planet. Sadly this is unlikely to happen so the next best thing is massive taxes on fuel/energy. If electricity cost 10 times what it does then more people would remember to turn things off. And for those who would say that this hits the poor and elderly more than the rich, how about a sliding scale: the first x kw of energy (electricity, gas, oil) your house uses could be charged at cost and all the rest at 20 times cost. Or charge all of it at 20 times cost and give all households a token for a normal amount free. "carbon neutral" or "offsetting carbon emissions". This is indeed nonsense invented by politicians who are afraid to actually do anything about the problem. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5 UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Sky Auto Standby and other 'innovations'
"Jomtien" wrote in message ... Dom Robinson wrote: what I don't like is other people (mainly the media) telling me what I should do with them as if it's making the Earth heat up, even though that's clearly ********. Agreed. No, it isn't. The planet is warming up and this is starting to have a dramatic effect on the climate, and it is just the beginning. The main cause of global warming is mankind, and his excessive consumption of energy of all types. Something has to be done. I personally would vote for culling of 90% of the human population. Spanish flu and anthrax could save the planet. Agreed. Historically plague and war keeps populations under control. Sadly this is unlikely to happen so the next best thing is massive taxes on fuel/energy. If electricity cost 10 times what it does then more people would remember to turn things off. And for those who would say that this hits the poor and elderly more than the rich, how about a sliding scale: the first x kw of energy (electricity, gas, oil) your house uses could be charged at cost and all the rest at 20 times cost. Or charge all of it at 20 times cost and give all households a token for a normal amount free. "carbon neutral" or "offsetting carbon emissions". This is indeed nonsense invented by politicians who are afraid to actually do anything about the problem. -- Disagree. If it were done to generate our power using non carbon energy, it may be possible to reduce the harm. The problem is we use so much energy now that to replace that with carbon neutral energy is beyond the means of possibility. |
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