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Mark Carver January 15th 07 08:37 AM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
This has been posted in another group I subscribe to.

There is a petition regarding Ofcom's plans to auction the spectrum made
available after DSO.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/openhdtv/

There is also an opportunity to respond to the DDR (Digital
Dividend Review) proposal by using the on-line form found he

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/ddr/howtorespond/form


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David January 15th 07 09:16 AM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 

"Rod L." wrote in message
...


I'd rather they used a large portion of the available bandwidth to
increase the bit rates of the existing freeview channels.


Where is that petition please?

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Rod L. January 15th 07 09:18 AM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
This has been posted in another group I subscribe to.

There is a petition regarding Ofcom's plans to auction the spectrum made
available after DSO.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/openhdtv/

There is also an opportunity to respond to the DDR (Digital
Dividend Review) proposal by using the on-line form found he

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/ddr/howtorespond/form


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I'd rather they used a large portion of the available bandwidth to increase
the bit rates of the existing freeview channels.



bronco January 15th 07 09:43 AM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 

"David" wrote in message
...

"Rod L." wrote in message
...


I'd rather they used a large portion of the available bandwidth to
increase the bit rates of the existing freeview channels.


Where is that petition please?

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I wouldn't bother - have you ever watched HD? The only difference is that
they use a better camera and intensify the colours and contrast more, then
use more close ups.
It's like watching the French football coverage, that has HD quality
compared to UK pictures! See for yourself next time.
How you can have HD on a poor quality LCD screen is anyone's guess. When
LCD is out of the way and SED and others are at the right price we might be
able to move on. LCD is crap with the smearing effects caused by slow
refresh rates. Companies stopped making LCD TVs last year anyway, all
you're buying now is the stockpiled surplus. That's why many STILL have a
25-30mS refresh rate on grey to grey, not even black to black as that would
be a higher figure, and no digital freeview tuner.
The public were conned over LCD. People only bought them because some have
to have the latest stuff no matter how overpriced or crap it is.
CRT is the way to go, it provides a far superior picture. SED is a flat CRT
technology. There are now other displays being used on camcorders and
laptops that use a new generation of LED. So watch out for those too.




aa January 15th 07 09:52 AM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
In
bronco wrote:
[snip]

CRT is the way to go, it provides a far superior picture. SED is a
flat CRT technology. There are now other displays being used on
camcorders and laptops that use a new generation of LED. So watch
out for those too.


News to me and assuming correct, good news at that! Thanks bronco.
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aa




Pyriform January 15th 07 10:30 AM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
bronco wrote:
When LCD is out of the way and SED and others are at the right price
we might be able to move on. LCD is crap with the smearing effects
caused by slow refresh rates. Companies stopped making LCD TVs last
year anyway, all you're buying now is the stockpiled surplus.


No, they didn't. You are spouting utter nonsense. LCD technology continues
to improve, and has massive ongoing investment behind it. Your idea that
this is just some anti-consumer conspiracy is ridiculous.

CRT is the way to go, it provides a far superior picture.


No, it doesn't. It has plenty of flaws of its own.

SED is a flat CRT technology.


That's not how I would describe it. But how it works is irrelevant. What
matters is that you can't buy one, and may never be able to, or may only be
able to buy one at an enormous price. Time will tell. Toshiba have now
withdrawn from SED development, leaving Canon to go it alone.

There are now other displays being used on camcorders and laptops that use
a new generation of LED. So watch out for those too.


Yes, OLEDs or something else may be the future display technology of choice.
But not yet.




Andrew January 15th 07 10:36 AM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:52:41 GMT, "aa"
wrote:

CRT is the way to go, it provides a far superior picture. SED is a
flat CRT technology. There are now other displays being used on
camcorders and laptops that use a new generation of LED. So watch
out for those too.


News to me and assuming correct, good news at that! Thanks bronco.


Big assumption. Modern LCD's running in HD look fantastic.
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Dr Zoidberg January 15th 07 10:42 AM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
aa wrote:
In
bronco wrote:
[snip]

CRT is the way to go, it provides a far superior picture. SED is a
flat CRT technology. There are now other displays being used on
camcorders and laptops that use a new generation of LED. So watch
out for those too.


News to me and assuming correct, good news at that! Thanks bronco.


No , bronco keeps posting the same misinformed tat over and over again
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Java Jive January 15th 07 10:50 AM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 

"bronco" wrote in message
...

LCD is crap with the smearing effects caused by slow
refresh rates.


My LCDs show no such effects.

CRT is the way to go


.... along with stone axes ...

it provides a far superior picture.


I've never seen picture on any CRT as good as my LCDs.



Adrian A January 15th 07 11:18 AM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
bronco wrote:
snip
LCD is crap with the smearing effects
caused by slow refresh rates. Companies stopped making LCD TVs last
year anyway, all you're buying now is the stockpiled surplus.

snip

What absolute bull****! You're either lying or have no ides what you're
talking about.



aa January 15th 07 11:19 AM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
In
Dr Zoidberg wrote:

aa wrote:
In
bronco wrote:
[snip]

CRT is the way to go, it provides a far superior picture. SED is a
flat CRT technology. There are now other displays being used on
camcorders and laptops that use a new generation of LED. So watch
out for those too.


News to me and assuming correct, good news at that! Thanks bronco.


No , bronco keeps posting the same misinformed tat over and over again


Ok, thanks!
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aa



Heracles Pollux January 15th 07 11:49 AM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 

"Rod L." wrote in message
...

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
This has been posted in another group I subscribe to.

There is a petition regarding Ofcom's plans to auction the spectrum made
available after DSO.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/openhdtv/

There is also an opportunity to respond to the DDR (Digital
Dividend Review) proposal by using the on-line form found he

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/ddr/howtorespond/form


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Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.


I'd rather they used a large portion of the available bandwidth to
increase the bit rates of the existing freeview channels.




Agreed.



tony sayer January 15th 07 01:41 PM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
In article , Pyriform
writes
bronco wrote:
When LCD is out of the way and SED and others are at the right price
we might be able to move on. LCD is crap with the smearing effects
caused by slow refresh rates. Companies stopped making LCD TVs last
year anyway, all you're buying now is the stockpiled surplus.


No, they didn't. You are spouting utter nonsense. LCD technology continues
to improve, and has massive ongoing investment behind it. Your idea that
this is just some anti-consumer conspiracy is ridiculous.

CRT is the way to go, it provides a far superior picture.


No, it doesn't. It has plenty of flaws of its own.


Well until something changes the piccy on my now 10 year old CRT B&O
still knocks spots anything I've seen in Curry's, Vomit or Dixons and
its still using Analogue PAL;))


--
Tony Sayer


Ivor Jones January 15th 07 02:15 PM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
"tony sayer" wrote in message

In article ,
Pyriform writes


[snip]

CRT is the way to go, it provides a far superior
picture.


No, it doesn't. It has plenty of flaws of its own.


Well until something changes the piccy on my now 10 year
old CRT B&O still knocks spots anything I've seen in
Curry's, Vomit or Dixons and its still using Analogue
PAL;))


My friends in San Francisco have a 4 year old Sony CRT HDTV. Pictures I've
seen on that knock more than spots off *anything* I've seen in this
country.

Ivor



tony sayer January 15th 07 04:45 PM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
In article , Ivor Jones
writes
"tony sayer" wrote in message

In article ,
Pyriform writes


[snip]

CRT is the way to go, it provides a far superior
picture.

No, it doesn't. It has plenty of flaws of its own.


Well until something changes the piccy on my now 10 year
old CRT B&O still knocks spots anything I've seen in
Curry's, Vomit or Dixons and its still using Analogue
PAL;))


My friends in San Francisco have a 4 year old Sony CRT HDTV. Pictures I've
seen on that knock more than spots off *anything* I've seen in this
country.

Ivor


Well I expect it would. We're long overdue for an *improvement* in
picture quality and programs for that matter;)...
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[email protected] January 15th 07 05:50 PM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 

Rod L. wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
This has been posted in another group I subscribe to.

There is a petition regarding Ofcom's plans to auction the spectrum made
available after DSO.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/openhdtv/

There is also an opportunity to respond to the DDR (Digital
Dividend Review) proposal by using the on-line form found he

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/ddr/howtorespond/form


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.


I'd rather they used a large portion of the available bandwidth to increase
the bit rates of the existing freeview channels.



I'd second that. I saw HD for the first time in Argos last week; ten
expensive tvs showing a demonstration disc of houses in Italy
apparently. Quite jerky with /lots/ of compression artifacts, really
looked very disappointing - especially for a demo. The extra resolution
seemed to be ,just gobbled up with ringing. Too much colour too.


Dom Robinson January 15th 07 10:41 PM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
In article . com,
says...
Rod L. wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
This has been posted in another group I subscribe to.

There is a petition regarding Ofcom's plans to auction the spectrum made
available after DSO.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/openhdtv/

There is also an opportunity to respond to the DDR (Digital
Dividend Review) proposal by using the on-line form found he

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/ddr/howtorespond/form


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.


I'd rather they used a large portion of the available bandwidth to increase
the bit rates of the existing freeview channels.



I'd second that. I saw HD for the first time in Argos last week; ten
expensive tvs showing a demonstration disc of houses in Italy
apparently. Quite jerky with /lots/ of compression artifacts, really
looked very disappointing - especially for a demo. The extra resolution
seemed to be ,just gobbled up with ringing.

Best not to gobble your ring :)

Seriously, agreed on using the available bandwidth for better bitrates on
existing channels. And get rid of the waste of space that are the quiz
channels on there.
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Dickie mint January 16th 07 12:16 PM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
Rod L. wrote:

I'd rather they used a large portion of the available bandwidth to increase
the bit rates of the existing freeview channels.



Agreed!

I think the producers and directors need to be persuaded to abandon film
effect and shakycam too!!

[email protected] January 16th 07 05:07 PM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 

tony sayer wrote:

My friends in San Francisco have a 4 year old Sony CRT HDTV. Pictures I've
seen on that knock more than spots off *anything* I've seen in this
country.

Well I expect it would. We're long overdue for an *improvement* in
picture quality and programs for that matter;)...


Don't hold your breath!

J


tony sayer January 16th 07 05:21 PM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
In article .com, no-
writes

tony sayer wrote:

My friends in San Francisco have a 4 year old Sony CRT HDTV. Pictures I've
seen on that knock more than spots off *anything* I've seen in this
country.

Well I expect it would. We're long overdue for an *improvement* in
picture quality and programs for that matter;)...


Don't hold your breath!

J


As if I would...
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Ivor Jones January 16th 07 06:46 PM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
"tony sayer" wrote in message

In article , Ivor
Jones writes


[snip]

My friends in San Francisco have a 4 year old Sony CRT
HDTV. Pictures I've seen on that knock more than spots
off *anything* I've seen in this country.

Ivor


Well I expect it would. We're long overdue for an
*improvement* in picture quality and programs for that
matter;)...


Ah, the latter point is one where sadly they fall rather short of
expectations..!

Ivor



Darren Wilkinson January 16th 07 09:54 PM

HD Petition for UK DTT
 
ercial wrote:
Rod L. wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
This has been posted in another group I subscribe to.

There is a petition regarding Ofcom's plans to auction the spectrum made
available after DSO.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/openhdtv/

There is also an opportunity to respond to the DDR (Digital
Dividend Review) proposal by using the on-line form found he

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/ddr/howtorespond/form


I'd rather they used a large portion of the available bandwidth to increase
the bit rates of the existing freeview channels.



I'd second that. I saw HD for the first time in Argos last week; ten
expensive tvs showing a demonstration disc of houses in Italy
apparently. Quite jerky with /lots/ of compression artifacts, really
looked very disappointing - especially for a demo. The extra resolution
seemed to be ,just gobbled up with ringing. Too much colour too.

Me to, although shop displays are the worst place for making such judgements.
The staff setting them up usually want to get them dealt with as quickly as
possible and won't bother with getting decent picture settings.


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