Lines around edge of projector pictu Is this a projector fault?
 

I have just bought the Panasonic PT-AX100E projector, and I am very
impressed with the results, it gives great pictures even up to 100 inches.
As a newbie to the world of projectors, I have noticed very small, almost
transparent, straight lines around the very outside edges of the pictures
when playing DVDs. These lines are usually most visible at the top and
bottom of the picture, but I have also seen them on the left and right edges
as well. I have a feeling that these lines may be quite usual when you are
enlarging pictures to 100", but when you are using smaller screen sizes,
such as 32", they would be barely visible.

Most of my friends who have looked at this projector's pictures haven't even
noticed these lines, but nevertheless, I just wanted to see if any other
people had noticed them and whether there is any way of eliminating them
from the picture.

Thanks, Jim

Lines around edge of projector pictu Is this a projector fault?
 

"Jimspro" wrote in message
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I have just bought the Panasonic PT-AX100E projector, and I am very
impressed with the results, it gives great pictures even up to 100 inches.
As a newbie to the world of projectors, I have noticed very small, almost
transparent, straight lines around the very outside edges of the pictures
when playing DVDs. These lines are usually most visible at the top and
bottom of the picture, but I have also seen them on the left and right
edges as well. I have a feeling that these lines may be quite usual when
you are enlarging pictures to 100", but when you are using smaller screen
sizes, such as 32", they would be barely visible.

Most of my friends who have looked at this projector's pictures haven't
even noticed these lines, but nevertheless, I just wanted to see if any
other people had noticed them and whether there is any way of eliminating
them from the picture.

Thanks, Jim

Since writing the above, I have done some experiments in which I altered the
H-Position and the V-Position. These move the projected image slightly
horizontally and vertically.

I also tried adjustments to the over scan function. The manual says that, if
the 4 edges of an image are partly dropped, you can use this function to
adjust and project it properly within a setting range of 0 to +10.

On one DVD, the transparent lines (bands) at the edges of the picture were
minimized when the H-Position was at +3, the V-Position at +9, and Over Scan
at +4.

In some cases, the lines at the edges also varied according to the aspect
ratio that was selected.

So, to answer my own question, I don't think these transparent bands around
the edges are a fault of the projector as they can be minimized with the
above adjustments. But I am very new to all this, so if anyone can give
their experiences on this matter I would be most interested.

Thanks, Jim

Lines around edge of projector pictu Is this a projector fault?
 

"Jimspro" wrote in message
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"Jimspro" wrote in message
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I have just bought the Panasonic PT-AX100E projector, and I am very
impressed with the results, it gives great pictures even up to 100 inches.
As a newbie to the world of projectors, I have noticed very small, almost
transparent, straight lines around the very outside edges of the pictures
when playing DVDs. These lines are usually most visible at the top and
bottom of the picture, but I have also seen them on the left and right
edges as well. I have a feeling that these lines may be quite usual when
you are enlarging pictures to 100", but when you are using smaller screen
sizes, such as 32", they would be barely visible.

Most of my friends who have looked at this projector's pictures haven't
even noticed these lines, but nevertheless, I just wanted to see if any
other people had noticed them and whether there is any way of eliminating
them from the picture.

Thanks, Jim

Since writing the above, I have done some experiments in which I altered
the H-Position and the V-Position. These move the projected image slightly
horizontally and vertically.

I also tried adjustments to the over scan function. The manual says that,
if the 4 edges of an image are partly dropped, you can use this function
to adjust and project it properly within a setting range of 0 to +10.

On one DVD, the transparent lines (bands) at the edges of the picture were
minimized when the H-Position was at +3, the V-Position at +9, and Over
Scan at +4.

In some cases, the lines at the edges also varied according to the aspect
ratio that was selected.

So, to answer my own question, I don't think these transparent bands
around the edges are a fault of the projector as they can be minimized
with the above adjustments. But I am very new to all this, so if anyone
can give their experiences on this matter I would be most interested.

Thanks, Jim

Can you change the video type over to 4:3 to full up the 100 inch screen?

Things I've read on widescreen projectors gives the impression that black
bars appear on the sides - which means the little 60 inch widescreen height
remains the same.
If it can be swited over to give a much larger full screen 4:3 image then
that's good news.

You should have a keystone adjustment that you might have to fiddle with,
and setting the bulb to economy low mode should still give good results
while adding more hours to your bulb life.

E. Scrooge

Lines around edge of projector pictu Is this a projector fault?
 

On a pleasant day while strolling in nz.tech, a person by the name of
Jimspro exclaimed:
As a newbie to the world of projectors, I have noticed very small, almost
transparent, straight lines around the very outside edges of the pictures
when playing DVDs.

Doesn't sound familiar. I have a AE700 (2 generations before yours, but
pretty similar).

Not really sure I understand what you mean. Are they dark? Light? Do
they go across the whole width/height of the screen? How thick are they?

What DVD player, and how do you connect it to the projector?

It could just be a weird fault in the projector.


--
aaronl at consultant dot com
For every expert, there is an equal and
opposite expert. - Arthur C. Clarke

Lines around edge of projector pictu Is this a projector fault?
 

Jimspro wrote:
I have just bought the Panasonic PT-AX100E projector, and I am very
impressed with the results, it gives great pictures even up to 100 inches.
As a newbie to the world of projectors, I have noticed very small, almost
transparent, straight lines around the very outside edges of the pictures
when playing DVDs. These lines are usually most visible at the top and
bottom of the picture, but I have also seen them on the left and right edges
as well. I have a feeling that these lines may be quite usual when you are
enlarging pictures to 100", but when you are using smaller screen sizes,
such as 32", they would be barely visible.

Most of my friends who have looked at this projector's pictures haven't even
noticed these lines, but nevertheless, I just wanted to see if any other
people had noticed them and whether there is any way of eliminating them
from the picture.

Thanks, Jim



Sounds like Edge Enhancement to me. You often don't notice this on a
smaller display, but it becomes obvious when you blow the picture up.
Here's a web site that explains the effect:

http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

Cheers, SimonB

Lines around edge of projector pictu Is this a projector fault?
 

"Jimspro" wrote in message
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I have just bought the Panasonic PT-AX100E projector, and I am very
impressed with the results, it gives great pictures even up to 100 inches.
As a newbie to the world of projectors, I have noticed very small, almost
transparent, straight lines around the very outside edges of the pictures
when playing DVDs. These lines are usually most visible at the top and
bottom of the picture, but I have also seen them on the left and right
edges as well. I have a feeling that these lines may be quite usual when
you are enlarging pictures to 100", but when you are using smaller screen
sizes, such as 32", they would be barely visible.

Most of my friends who have looked at this projector's pictures haven't
even noticed these lines, but nevertheless, I just wanted to see if any
other people had noticed them and whether there is any way of eliminating
them from the picture.

Thanks, Jim



I have the same model and have not noticed it on my screen at 130 inches.
Can you see it if you take a picture of it or is it more transparent than
that? You could try searching http://www.avsforum.com/ or ask the same
question there and see what answers you get.

Mark

Lines around edge of projector pictu Is this a projector fault?
 

"SimonB" wrote in message
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Jimspro wrote:
I have just bought the Panasonic PT-AX100E projector, and I am very
impressed with the results, it gives great pictures even up to 100
inches. As a newbie to the world of projectors, I have noticed very
small, almost transparent, straight lines around the very outside edges
of the pictures when playing DVDs. These lines are usually most visible
at the top and bottom of the picture, but I have also seen them on the
left and right edges as well. I have a feeling that these lines may be
quite usual when you are enlarging pictures to 100", but when you are
using smaller screen sizes, such as 32", they would be barely visible.

Most of my friends who have looked at this projector's pictures haven't
even noticed these lines, but nevertheless, I just wanted to see if any
other people had noticed them and whether there is any way of eliminating
them from the picture.

Thanks, Jim

Sounds like Edge Enhancement to me. You often don't notice this on a
smaller display, but it becomes obvious when you blow the picture up.
Here's a web site that explains the effect:

http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

Cheers, SimonB

Thanks Simon, the bands / lines I am talking about are similar to the
horizontal one at the top of the picture "General 1" in the Videophile web
site you quote above. But because I have noticed these lines only at the
edges of the pictures, I don't think they are in the same category as "edge
enhancement".

Jim

Lines around edge of projector pictu Is this a projector fault?
 

"E. Scrooge" (*sling) wrote in message
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"Jimspro" wrote in message
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"Jimspro" wrote in message
...
I have just bought the Panasonic PT-AX100E projector, and I am very
impressed with the results, it gives great pictures even up to 100
inches. As a newbie to the world of projectors, I have noticed very
small, almost transparent, straight lines around the very outside edges
of the pictures when playing DVDs. These lines are usually most visible
at the top and bottom of the picture, but I have also seen them on the
left and right edges as well. I have a feeling that these lines may be
quite usual when you are enlarging pictures to 100", but when you are
using smaller screen sizes, such as 32", they would be barely visible.

Most of my friends who have looked at this projector's pictures haven't
even noticed these lines, but nevertheless, I just wanted to see if any
other people had noticed them and whether there is any way of
eliminating them from the picture.

Thanks, Jim

Since writing the above, I have done some experiments in which I altered
the H-Position and the V-Position. These move the projected image
slightly horizontally and vertically.

I also tried adjustments to the over scan function. The manual says that,
if the 4 edges of an image are partly dropped, you can use this function
to adjust and project it properly within a setting range of 0 to +10.

On one DVD, the transparent lines (bands) at the edges of the picture
were minimized when the H-Position was at +3, the V-Position at +9, and
Over Scan at +4.

In some cases, the lines at the edges also varied according to the aspect
ratio that was selected.

So, to answer my own question, I don't think these transparent bands
around the edges are a fault of the projector as they can be minimized
with the above adjustments. But I am very new to all this, so if anyone
can give their experiences on this matter I would be most interested.

Thanks, Jim

Can you change the video type over to 4:3 to full up the 100 inch screen?

Things I've read on widescreen projectors gives the impression that black
bars appear on the sides - which means the little 60 inch widescreen
height remains the same.
If it can be swited over to give a much larger full screen 4:3 image then
that's good news.

You should have a keystone adjustment that you might have to fiddle with,
and setting the bulb to economy low mode should still give good results
while adding more hours to your bulb life.

E. Scrooge

Thanks Scrooge for your comments. I don't actually have a screen, at the
moment I am projecting on to a white wall, but the results are still very
good. I have found that 4:3 aspect DVDs actually look better to me on a 16:9
setting and I don't really notice any elongation of faces etc. or any black
bars.

I have set the lamp power to Eco-Mode and the brightness of the picture is
not affected much at all, so thanks for this tip. The keystone adjustment is
not really applicable to me as I am projecting on to a flat wall which is in
front of the projector. The keystone adjustment, according to the manual, is
used when the projector is aligned non-perpendicularly to the screen, or if
the projection screen has an angled surface.

Lines around edge of projector pictu Is this a projector fault?
 

"Aaron Lawrence" wrote in message
m...
On a pleasant day while strolling in nz.tech, a person by the name of
Jimspro exclaimed:
As a newbie to the world of projectors, I have noticed very small, almost
transparent, straight lines around the very outside edges of the pictures
when playing DVDs.

Doesn't sound familiar. I have a AE700 (2 generations before yours, but
pretty similar).

Not really sure I understand what you mean. Are they dark? Light? Do
they go across the whole width/height of the screen? How thick are they?

What DVD player, and how do you connect it to the projector?

It could just be a weird fault in the projector.

The lines at the edges of the picture look like the one at the top of the
picture "General 1" on this web page supplied by Simon:

http://www.videophile.info:80/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

The lines are light and in a 100" picture they go across the full width (or
height) of the picture and are about 1cm (10mm) thick and are transparent as
in the picture "General 1" referred to above. I have a Sony DVD player which
is connected to the projector via a gold plated component video cable. The
lines can usually be eliminated by making adjustments with the "overscan",
"H-Position" and "V-Position" functions.

Lines around edge of projector pictu Is this a projector fault?
 

Jimspro wrote:
I have just bought the Panasonic PT-AX100E projector, and I am very
impressed with the results, it gives great pictures even up to 100 inches.
As a newbie to the world of projectors, I have noticed very small, almost
transparent, straight lines around the very outside edges of the pictures
when playing DVDs. These lines are usually most visible at the top and
bottom of the picture, but I have also seen them on the left and right edges
as well. I have a feeling that these lines may be quite usual when you are
enlarging pictures to 100", but when you are using smaller screen sizes,
such as 32", they would be barely visible.

Most of my friends who have looked at this projector's pictures haven't even
noticed these lines, but nevertheless, I just wanted to see if any other
people had noticed them and whether there is any way of eliminating them
from the picture.

Given that the lines are only there when you are playing DVDs, it would seem
logical that they an artefact coming from the DVD player rather than the projector.

Lines around edge of projector pictu Is this a projector fault?
 

"Mark Hitchman" wrote in message
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"Jimspro" wrote in message
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I have just bought the Panasonic PT-AX100E projector, and I am very
impressed with the results, it gives great pictures even up to 100 inches.
As a newbie to the world of projectors, I have noticed very small, almost
transparent, straight lines around the very outside edges of the pictures
when playing DVDs. These lines are usually most visible at the top and
bottom of the picture, but I have also seen them on the left and right
edges as well. I have a feeling that these lines may be quite usual when
you are enlarging pictures to 100", but when you are using smaller screen
sizes, such as 32", they would be barely visible.

Most of my friends who have looked at this projector's pictures haven't
even noticed these lines, but nevertheless, I just wanted to see if any
other people had noticed them and whether there is any way of eliminating
them from the picture.

Thanks, Jim



I have the same model and have not noticed it on my screen at 130 inches.
Can you see it if you take a picture of it or is it more transparent than
that? You could try searching http://www.avsforum.com/ or ask the same
question there and see what answers you get.

Mark


Thanks very much Mark, I think you would be able to see it if a picture was
taken, it's like the line at the top of the picture "General 1" on this web
page:

http://www.videophile.info:80/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

Because you have the same projector, I think you might see similar lines on
the edges of DVD pictures if you move the H-Position and V-Position
adjustments throughout their whole range, or if you adjust the overscan
through 0 to 10. I would be interested to know if you can then see these
transparent edge bands on any of your DVDs. (I would be surprised if you
couldn't!)

With one DVD, I could see similar lines on my computer LCD screen when the
DVD was played back through my computer's DVD player, so I think that, with
some DVDs, this might be a fairly common occurrence. I don't think it's a
fault with the projector, in fact I'm impressed that using overscan and the
H and V position adjustments, you can usually eliminate these lines from the
projected picture.

Jim

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"Jimspro" wrote in message
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"E. Scrooge" (*sling) wrote in message
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"Jimspro" wrote in message
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"Jimspro" wrote in message
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I have just bought the Panasonic PT-AX100E projector, and I am very
impressed with the results, it gives great pictures even up to 100
inches. As a newbie to the world of projectors, I have noticed very
small, almost transparent, straight lines around the very outside edges
of the pictures when playing DVDs. These lines are usually most visible
at the top and bottom of the picture, but I have also seen them on the
left and right edges as well. I have a feeling that these lines may be
quite usual when you are enlarging pictures to 100", but when you are
using smaller screen sizes, such as 32", they would be barely visible.

Most of my friends who have looked at this projector's pictures haven't
even noticed these lines, but nevertheless, I just wanted to see if any
other people had noticed them and whether there is any way of
eliminating them from the picture.

Thanks, Jim

Since writing the above, I have done some experiments in which I altered
the H-Position and the V-Position. These move the projected image
slightly horizontally and vertically.

I also tried adjustments to the over scan function. The manual says
that, if the 4 edges of an image are partly dropped, you can use this
function to adjust and project it properly within a setting range of 0
to +10.

On one DVD, the transparent lines (bands) at the edges of the picture
were minimized when the H-Position was at +3, the V-Position at +9, and
Over Scan at +4.

In some cases, the lines at the edges also varied according to the
aspect ratio that was selected.

So, to answer my own question, I don't think these transparent bands
around the edges are a fault of the projector as they can be minimized
with the above adjustments. But I am very new to all this, so if anyone
can give their experiences on this matter I would be most interested.

Thanks, Jim

Can you change the video type over to 4:3 to full up the 100 inch screen?

Things I've read on widescreen projectors gives the impression that black
bars appear on the sides - which means the little 60 inch widescreen
height remains the same.
If it can be swited over to give a much larger full screen 4:3 image then
that's good news.

You should have a keystone adjustment that you might have to fiddle with,
and setting the bulb to economy low mode should still give good results
while adding more hours to your bulb life.

E. Scrooge

Thanks Scrooge for your comments. I don't actually have a screen, at the
moment I am projecting on to a white wall, but the results are still very
good. I have found that 4:3 aspect DVDs actually look better to me on a
16:9 setting and I don't really notice any elongation of faces etc. or any
black bars.

I have set the lamp power to Eco-Mode and the brightness of the picture is
not affected much at all, so thanks for this tip. The keystone adjustment
is not really applicable to me as I am projecting on to a flat wall which
is in front of the projector. The keystone adjustment, according to the
manual, is used when the projector is aligned non-perpendicularly to the
screen, or if the projection screen has an angled surface.

In a darker room eco mode can improve the picture by not being too bright
and also be a bit easier on the eyes for any bright scenes. And Pink
Floyd's Pulse concert has plenty of bright flashing lights, it's only worth
watching on a projector like many movies are as well. It usually causes the
fan in the projector to run quite a bit quieter as well.

Keystone is good for ceiling positions where the projector isn't hanging
upside down. My Projector sits on a shelf attached to brackets from the
ceiling. The shelf is just wide enough for different brands of projectors
just in case of a change in the future.

Your flat wall would be fine. Screens aren't worth the price unless you get
it free with the projector. Best thing about a screen is the black border
around it, especially at the sides of the movie.

E. Scrooge

Lines around edge of projector pictu Is this a projector fault?
 

Jimspro wrote:
I have just bought the Panasonic PT-AX100E projector, and I am very
impressed with the results, it gives great pictures even up to 100 inches.
As a newbie to the world of projectors, I have noticed very small, almost
transparent, straight lines around the very outside edges of the pictures
when playing DVDs. These lines are usually most visible at the top and
bottom of the picture, but I have also seen them on the left and right edges
as well. I have a feeling that these lines may be quite usual when you are
enlarging pictures to 100", but when you are using smaller screen sizes,
such as 32", they would be barely visible.

Loads of dvds have this, its because they are mpeg encoding the black
bar, so the macroblock it is in suffers, the line you see is the edge of
that block, if you look at a scene with lots of motion that will be
where the next block in starts.

Lines around edge of projector pictu Is this a projector fault?
 

Richard wrote:


Loads of dvds have this, its because they are mpeg encoding the black
bar, so the macroblock it is in suffers, the line you see is the edge of
that block, if you look at a scene with lots of motion that will be
where the next block in starts.

Should also add that I saw this the worst when using a player that had
the much touted but useless up conversion feature, setting it to 480i
output reduced it a lot. I suspect that it was sharpening the picture on
up conversion to try to justify the existence of that in the player