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HDTV Advice
I am looking to purchase a new HDTV or HD ready monitor coming up
pretty soon. The problem is I know just about nothing about it. So I was looking for a little help. I am a DirecTV subscriber and I don't want to change to cable...so I was wanting to connect my DirecTv to the television and get an over the air antenna to recieve HD. My question is this....is that viable, and if so....how does the the DirecTV image look over a 16:9 widescreen? I noticed in my box there is an option to output to 16:9...so would that keep everything from looking stretched? My mom has a HDTV and comcast cable. She gets the so-called hd channels over it and they look pretty good but the normal channels look stretched. Also....I cannot decide if I should get an HD Monitor and get a seperate reciever or should i get one with the built in hd tuner? Are there drawbacks to one or the other? Any advice would be appreciated!! I will probably have more questions..... Thanks! David Garner |
David Garner wrote:
I am looking to purchase a new HDTV or HD ready monitor coming up pretty soon. The problem is I know just about nothing about it. So I was looking for a little help. I am a DirecTV subscriber and I don't want to change to cable...so I was wanting to connect my DirecTv to the television and get an over the air antenna to recieve HD. My question is this....is that viable, and if so....how does the the DirecTV image look over a 16:9 widescreen? I noticed in my box there is an option to output to 16:9...so would that keep everything from looking stretched? My mom has a HDTV and comcast cable. She gets the so-called hd channels over it and they look pretty good but the normal channels look stretched. Also....I cannot decide if I should get an HD Monitor and get a seperate reciever or should i get one with the built in hd tuner? Are there drawbacks to one or the other? Any advice would be appreciated!! I will probably have more questions..... I am in a similar situation. I have a widescreen (16:9) HDTV Monitor (no built-in tuner) with Dish satellite and an OTA HDTV receiver. For HDTV, it's perfect, as in the ratio fills out the screen. For watching my Dish network satellite feed, I can either set the TV mode to put bars on both sides (so it displays a true 4:3 image) or let it stretch it out. A lot of HDTV monitors have a smart stretch mode that stretch the 4:3 screen in a non-linear manner (no stretching in the middle, more stretching as you get to the edges). I'm pretty much used to that mode now, so I just use that for 4:3 sources. Of course if you go with a 4:3 (non-widescreen) HDTV, you'll have full-frame DirectTV images, and when you watch HDTV, you'll get black bars on the top and bottom. I mainly watch DVDs and HDTV on my setup, so I wanted the widescreen (16:9) television. If you watch more DirectTV standard TV feed than HD or DVDs, you may consider the 4:3 ratio screen. Although, even in standard definition, I noticed that some of the stations I watch a lot are presenting shows in "widescreen" (that is, letterboxed). For example, the new Stargate episodes on Sci-Fi. So for those I can use a "Zoom" mode to fill out the 16:9 image perfectly on my widescreen television. It's still only standard (non-HD) TV, but it at least presents the ratio well on my screen. Just some thoughts. -Mike |
"David Garner" wrote in message
om... I am looking to purchase a new HDTV or HD ready monitor coming up pretty soon. The problem is I know just about nothing about it. (snip) David, Some comments/answers to your questions. Start here and followup later as you wish: First a question: Where do you live? (and mom too; sounds like she is not getting much HD viewing with her HD set). Needed so we can figure out what OTA channels are available where you live. And ... How far from the towers are you? (see antennaweb link below; tell us what antenna type/color if you cannot estimate distance). Now some comments to your questions: - to get DirecTV in HD you will have to get a HD receiver (Hughes, Sony, Samsung all make current DirecTV models). (older models available too from those plus Mitsubishi, Toshiba, and RCA). They also have terresterial tuners built in so knowing how far from the towers are helps to figure out what you might see over-the-air (OTA). You may also have to upgrade your dish too. (regardless do see the hardware link at AVS listed below) - many HD viewers get by with an indoor antenna like the Silver Sensor (which is UHF only). If your stations include VHF (ch 2 to 13) you will need something else (RS makes a couple of indoor models; Channel Master, Winegard and even RS make good/decent inexpensive outdoor antennas. Some UHF only models like the 4-bay antenna from Channel Master may work for your high band VHF channels (7 to 13). (general rule of thumb: antennas that look like antennas usually work better than antennas that do not). - HD via cable is definitely an option for many but it depends on your local cable company and what HD channels they offer. Local stations may be on cable; may not be. See the programming link listed below for an idea of what might be available. - watching 4:3 images on a 16x9 screen means you will either watch with black black bars on either side (sometimes the STB can make that gray plus many statios can change it to gray too). Gray is safer than black on a TV using phosphor technology (CRTs or plasma). Stretch/zoom are ways to make the image fit the widescreen if desired. - built-in tuners offer flexibility, convenience; Firewire (maybe), and cost more. If you don't need Firewire and know you will use DirecTV (or Dish, Zoom, or HD via cable) then a tuner might be considered optional. Reading/Resources: - antenna guidance and tower info: www.antennaweb.org - antenna guidance and programming info: www.titantv.com - HD schedule grid/guide: www.hdtvgalaxy.com (not always accurate) - 2003 Programming guide at avs: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=294102 - HDTV Forum STB Synopsis - Fall 2003! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=179095 HDTV FAQs : not many good ones out there that I am aware of but forums do provide good insight but do take more time. googling can help find them too. There is a basic one at www.avsforum.com.. HDTV forums in my mind are good because they archive posts for long periods of time and are searchable). My favorites a www.avsforum.com (be sure to check the HDTV Local HDTV Info and Reception forum forposts from your area; the Hardware and the Programming ones) www.hometheaterspot.com (great hardware site; free registration gives you access to most items; donation gets you into the rest (it is a private forum with limited advertising/sponsors). Good luck Bruce backgrould: have had a widescreen Mits since 04/01; get HD from my cable company (TWC) and OTA as well. HD cable box is a rented Scientic Atlanta 3250 and my terresterial receiver is an older Samsung SIR-T150 with Channel Master 3021 UHF antenna (that works for Ch 8 too). |
David:
You will need a digital tuner for Both Satellite HD & for OTA (Over the Air) HD/Digital reception... These two HD tuners are somewhat different..... and also different from a Cable HD tuner.... IF Direct TV has that 'combo' tuner upgrade for almost free... Do that.... By putting that HD tuner in the TV set... ups TV cost by $300+ IF you will be dumping Satellite... That might pay... I have run my Sony with OTA HD for 3 months now... Due to $7/mo Cable HD with 6 stations now available... I seldom use OTA HD unless I want to discover more local HD stations just coming on line.... My OTA HD is component In.. My Cable HD is DVI In.... David Garner wrote: I am looking to purchase a new HDTV or HD ready monitor coming up pretty soon. The problem is I know just about nothing about it. So I was looking for a little help. I am a DirecTV subscriber and I don't want to change to cable...so I was wanting to connect my DirecTv to the television and get an over the air antenna to recieve HD. My question is this....is that viable, and if so....how does the the DirecTV image look over a 16:9 widescreen? I noticed in my box there is an option to output to 16:9...so would that keep everything from looking stretched? My mom has a HDTV and comcast cable. She gets the so-called hd channels over it and they look pretty good but the normal channels look stretched. Also....I cannot decide if I should get an HD Monitor and get a seperate reciever or should i get one with the built in hd tuner? Are there drawbacks to one or the other? Any advice would be appreciated!! I will probably have more questions..... Thanks! David Garner |
Dennis I have a RCA F38310 with the DirectTV and fully integrated line
doubler. Model is the JX4 I am watching that same model right now as I have my webtv hooked up to in the vid-1 that is now svid-1. I am in the full or stretch format right now, I am not used to it but the words are forming on my true size 39" or 19.5"H x 34.25"W in screen measurement. I know the F38310 as been discontinued but the guys in Direct view are still snapping up the open boxes because of the 1280 x 1080 and the DirectTV receiver with phone card already built in! I live in a apartment that doesn't face west, so for me it's just excess baggage. BTW on AVS I am the mispelled Bionic Manaus, although the sign up is recent I had forgot my password from June of 2001 and had to start all over again. :) |
"Bruce" wrote in message r.com...
"David Garner" wrote in message om... I am looking to purchase a new HDTV or HD ready monitor coming up pretty soon. The problem is I know just about nothing about it. (snip) David, Some comments/answers to your questions. Start here and followup later as you wish: First a question: Where do you live? (and mom too; sounds like she is not getting much HD viewing with her HD set). Needed so we can figure out what OTA channels are available where you live. And ... How far from the towers are you? (see antennaweb link below; tell us what antenna type/color if you cannot estimate distance). Now some comments to your questions: - to get DirecTV in HD you will have to get a HD receiver (Hughes, Sony, Samsung all make current DirecTV models). (older models available too from those plus Mitsubishi, Toshiba, and RCA). They also have terresterial tuners built in so knowing how far from the towers are helps to figure out what you might see over-the-air (OTA). You may also have to upgrade your dish too. (regardless do see the hardware link at AVS listed below) - many HD viewers get by with an indoor antenna like the Silver Sensor (which is UHF only). If your stations include VHF (ch 2 to 13) you will need something else (RS makes a couple of indoor models; Channel Master, Winegard and even RS make good/decent inexpensive outdoor antennas. Some UHF only models like the 4-bay antenna from Channel Master may work for your high band VHF channels (7 to 13). (general rule of thumb: antennas that look like antennas usually work better than antennas that do not). - HD via cable is definitely an option for many but it depends on your local cable company and what HD channels they offer. Local stations may be on cable; may not be. See the programming link listed below for an idea of what might be available. - watching 4:3 images on a 16x9 screen means you will either watch with black black bars on either side (sometimes the STB can make that gray plus many statios can change it to gray too). Gray is safer than black on a TV using phosphor technology (CRTs or plasma). Stretch/zoom are ways to make the image fit the widescreen if desired. - built-in tuners offer flexibility, convenience; Firewire (maybe), and cost more. If you don't need Firewire and know you will use DirecTV (or Dish, Zoom, or HD via cable) then a tuner might be considered optional. Reading/Resources: - antenna guidance and tower info: www.antennaweb.org - antenna guidance and programming info: www.titantv.com - HD schedule grid/guide: www.hdtvgalaxy.com (not always accurate) - 2003 Programming guide at avs: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=294102 - HDTV Forum STB Synopsis - Fall 2003! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=179095 HDTV FAQs : not many good ones out there that I am aware of but forums do provide good insight but do take more time. googling can help find them too. There is a basic one at www.avsforum.com.. HDTV forums in my mind are good because they archive posts for long periods of time and are searchable). My favorites a www.avsforum.com (be sure to check the HDTV Local HDTV Info and Reception forum forposts from your area; the Hardware and the Programming ones) www.hometheaterspot.com (great hardware site; free registration gives you access to most items; donation gets you into the rest (it is a private forum with limited advertising/sponsors). Good luck Bruce backgrould: have had a widescreen Mits since 04/01; get HD from my cable company (TWC) and OTA as well. HD cable box is a rented Scientic Atlanta 3250 and my terresterial receiver is an older Samsung SIR-T150 with Channel Master 3021 UHF antenna (that works for Ch 8 too). Thanks for all the info!! I live in the metro atlanta area. I took a look at the antenna.org site. Pretty much all my channels are coming out of Atlanta it seems...and all fall in the yellow to light green range. It looks like a large multi-directional antenna would do the trick. I know nothing about that stuff either. I don't really care about watching directv in hd at the moment...mainly because i don't want to invest in a new dish and reciever to get only a few channels. I may do that down the road. I was really more concerned how the normal directv image would look on a widescreen tv. I may be reading the antenna.org site wrong but I couldn't find my distances to the tower...I know it can't be far....actually from looking at the street level map it looked like they were really close. The television I was looking to get is a 55' Samsung rear projection...the model # is HCN-5527W and I was going to get the Samsung SIR-T351 for an OTA reciever. Any thoughts on that equipment? I don't really know anything about the reciever but the TV looks good side by side with a lot of others...so that is how i decided on that. |
Sounds like a workable choice to me. Just know that reception can be an
issue at times. I have a Samsung projection HDTV and a Samsung SIRT151 OTA receiver it works on all channels but one. The 151 has the same electronics as the 351. The 351 has extra outputs The antenna farm for all the feeds are close to each other in my area and the antennas I use are pointed by using a signal input meter and I still have difficulty getting the NBC feed more often then not. I just live with it for now and am 95% happy with my setup. I use DirecTV as my NBC feed [not hd] when I can't get a good signal on the OTA system.. I may try a different brand of receiver in the future. I am favoring a Zenith for now. -- "David Garner" wrote in message om... "Bruce" wrote in message r.com... "David Garner" wrote in message om... I am looking to purchase a new HDTV or HD ready monitor coming up pretty soon. The problem is I know just about nothing about it. (snip) David, Some comments/answers to your questions. Start here and followup later as you wish: First a question: Where do you live? (and mom too; sounds like she is not getting much HD viewing with her HD set). Needed so we can figure out what OTA channels are available where you live. And ... How far from the towers are you? (see antennaweb link below; tell us what antenna type/color if you cannot estimate distance). Now some comments to your questions: - to get DirecTV in HD you will have to get a HD receiver (Hughes, Sony, Samsung all make current DirecTV models). (older models available too from those plus Mitsubishi, Toshiba, and RCA). They also have terresterial tuners built in so knowing how far from the towers are helps to figure out what you might see over-the-air (OTA). You may also have to upgrade your dish too. (regardless do see the hardware link at AVS listed below) - many HD viewers get by with an indoor antenna like the Silver Sensor (which is UHF only). If your stations include VHF (ch 2 to 13) you will need something else (RS makes a couple of indoor models; Channel Master, Winegard and even RS make good/decent inexpensive outdoor antennas. Some UHF only models like the 4-bay antenna from Channel Master may work for your high band VHF channels (7 to 13). (general rule of thumb: antennas that look like antennas usually work better than antennas that do not). - HD via cable is definitely an option for many but it depends on your local cable company and what HD channels they offer. Local stations may be on cable; may not be. See the programming link listed below for an idea of what might be available. - watching 4:3 images on a 16x9 screen means you will either watch with black black bars on either side (sometimes the STB can make that gray plus many statios can change it to gray too). Gray is safer than black on a TV using phosphor technology (CRTs or plasma). Stretch/zoom are ways to make the image fit the widescreen if desired. - built-in tuners offer flexibility, convenience; Firewire (maybe), and cost more. If you don't need Firewire and know you will use DirecTV (or Dish, Zoom, or HD via cable) then a tuner might be considered optional. Reading/Resources: - antenna guidance and tower info: www.antennaweb.org - antenna guidance and programming info: www.titantv.com - HD schedule grid/guide: www.hdtvgalaxy.com (not always accurate) - 2003 Programming guide at avs: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=294102 - HDTV Forum STB Synopsis - Fall 2003! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=179095 HDTV FAQs : not many good ones out there that I am aware of but forums do provide good insight but do take more time. googling can help find them too. There is a basic one at www.avsforum.com.. HDTV forums in my mind are good because they archive posts for long periods of time and are searchable). My favorites a www.avsforum.com (be sure to check the HDTV Local HDTV Info and Reception forum forposts from your area; the Hardware and the Programming ones) www.hometheaterspot.com (great hardware site; free registration gives you access to most items; donation gets you into the rest (it is a private forum with limited advertising/sponsors). Good luck Bruce backgrould: have had a widescreen Mits since 04/01; get HD from my cable company (TWC) and OTA as well. HD cable box is a rented Scientic Atlanta 3250 and my terresterial receiver is an older Samsung SIR-T150 with Channel Master 3021 UHF antenna (that works for Ch 8 too). Thanks for all the info!! I live in the metro atlanta area. I took a look at the antenna.org site. Pretty much all my channels are coming out of Atlanta it seems...and all fall in the yellow to light green range. It looks like a large multi-directional antenna would do the trick. I know nothing about that stuff either. I don't really care about watching directv in hd at the moment...mainly because i don't want to invest in a new dish and reciever to get only a few channels. I may do that down the road. I was really more concerned how the normal directv image would look on a widescreen tv. I may be reading the antenna.org site wrong but I couldn't find my distances to the tower...I know it can't be far....actually from looking at the street level map it looked like they were really close. The television I was looking to get is a 55' Samsung rear projection...the model # is HCN-5527W and I was going to get the Samsung SIR-T351 for an OTA reciever. Any thoughts on that equipment? I don't really know anything about the reciever but the TV looks good side by side with a lot of others...so that is how i decided on that. |
You can download a spreadsheet (US DTV SPREADSHEET) from:
http://www.dxfm.com/Content/spreadsheet_info.htm and by plugging your latitude & longitude into the spreadsheet it will give you heading (azimuth) and distance from your location to each transmitter facility listed. David Garner wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message r.com... "David Garner" wrote in message .com... I am looking to purchase a new HDTV or HD ready monitor coming up pretty soon. The problem is I know just about nothing about it. (snip) David, Some comments/answers to your questions. Start here and followup later as you wish: First a question: Where do you live? (and mom too; sounds like she is not getting much HD viewing with her HD set). Needed so we can figure out what OTA channels are available where you live. And ... How far from the towers are you? (see antennaweb link below; tell us what antenna type/color if you cannot estimate distance). Now some comments to your questions: - to get DirecTV in HD you will have to get a HD receiver (Hughes, Sony, Samsung all make current DirecTV models). (older models available too from those plus Mitsubishi, Toshiba, and RCA). They also have terresterial tuners built in so knowing how far from the towers are helps to figure out what you might see over-the-air (OTA). You may also have to upgrade your dish too. (regardless do see the hardware link at AVS listed below) - many HD viewers get by with an indoor antenna like the Silver Sensor (which is UHF only). If your stations include VHF (ch 2 to 13) you will need something else (RS makes a couple of indoor models; Channel Master, Winegard and even RS make good/decent inexpensive outdoor antennas. Some UHF only models like the 4-bay antenna from Channel Master may work for your high band VHF channels (7 to 13). (general rule of thumb: antennas that look like antennas usually work better than antennas that do not). - HD via cable is definitely an option for many but it depends on your local cable company and what HD channels they offer. Local stations may be on cable; may not be. See the programming link listed below for an idea of what might be available. - watching 4:3 images on a 16x9 screen means you will either watch with black black bars on either side (sometimes the STB can make that gray plus many statios can change it to gray too). Gray is safer than black on a TV using phosphor technology (CRTs or plasma). Stretch/zoom are ways to make the image fit the widescreen if desired. - built-in tuners offer flexibility, convenience; Firewire (maybe), and cost more. If you don't need Firewire and know you will use DirecTV (or Dish, Zoom, or HD via cable) then a tuner might be considered optional. Reading/Resources: - antenna guidance and tower info: www.antennaweb.org - antenna guidance and programming info: www.titantv.com - HD schedule grid/guide: www.hdtvgalaxy.com (not always accurate) - 2003 Programming guide at avs: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=294102 - HDTV Forum STB Synopsis - Fall 2003! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=179095 HDTV FAQs : not many good ones out there that I am aware of but forums do provide good insight but do take more time. googling can help find them too. There is a basic one at www.avsforum.com.. HDTV forums in my mind are good because they archive posts for long periods of time and are searchable). My favorites a www.avsforum.com (be sure to check the HDTV Local HDTV Info and Reception forum forposts from your area; the Hardware and the Programming ones) www.hometheaterspot.com (great hardware site; free registration gives you access to most items; donation gets you into the rest (it is a private forum with limited advertising/sponsors). Good luck Bruce backgrould: have had a widescreen Mits since 04/01; get HD from my cable company (TWC) and OTA as well. HD cable box is a rented Scientic Atlanta 3250 and my terresterial receiver is an older Samsung SIR-T150 with Channel Master 3021 UHF antenna (that works for Ch 8 too). Thanks for all the info!! I live in the metro atlanta area. I took a look at the antenna.org site. Pretty much all my channels are coming out of Atlanta it seems...and all fall in the yellow to light green range. It looks like a large multi-directional antenna would do the trick. I know nothing about that stuff either. I don't really care about watching directv in hd at the moment...mainly because i don't want to invest in a new dish and reciever to get only a few channels. I may do that down the road. I was really more concerned how the normal directv image would look on a widescreen tv. I may be reading the antenna.org site wrong but I couldn't find my distances to the tower...I know it can't be far....actually from looking at the street level map it looked like they were really close. The television I was looking to get is a 55' Samsung rear projection...the model # is HCN-5527W and I was going to get the Samsung SIR-T351 for an OTA reciever. Any thoughts on that equipment? I don't really know anything about the reciever but the TV looks good side by side with a lot of others...so that is how i decided on that. |
"David Garner" wrote in message
om... (snip) Thanks for all the info!! I live in the metro atlanta area. I took a look at the antenna.org site. Pretty much all my channels are coming out of Atlanta it seems...and all fall in the yellow to light green range. It looks like a large multi-directional antenna would do the trick. I know nothing about that stuff either. I don't really care about watching directv in hd at the moment...mainly because i don't want to invest in a new dish and reciever to get only a few channels. I may do that down the road. I was really more concerned how the normal directv image would look on a widescreen tv. I may be reading the antenna.org site wrong but I couldn't find my distances to the tower...I know it can't be far....actually from looking at the street level map it looked like they were really close. The television I was looking to get is a 55' Samsung rear projection...the model # is HCN-5527W and I was going to get the Samsung SIR-T351 for an OTA reciever. Any thoughts on that equipment? I don't really know anything about the reciever but the TV looks good side by side with a lot of others...so that is how i decided on that. David, This site has info on Atlanta area HDTV including local reception experiences: www.atlantadtv.org/index.htm I believe there are also an Atlanta thread in the Local Area HDTV forum at AVS. Buried in the TitanTv site; for your zip code you can find get a map (map station distribution) that has a map with a bar scale for for estimating distance. A Silver Sensor (available at Circuit City and Sears) might work but you might also need more. I believe all your Digital Stations broadcast on UHF though three probably remap to their VHF counterparts (WSB, WAGA, WGTV). [Remapping was designed to make a digital station number show up as the VHF channel number to avoid confusion so 39 might show up as 2-x]. If you need or want to go with an outdoor antenna; check out the Channel Master 3021... it is about 20 x 40 x 6 inches and can be roof/chimney mounted rather easily. (www.warrenelectronics.com/ and www.starkelectronic.com are sources of antenna information and are mail order retailers if you cannot find one locally. Viewing SD/NTSC on a widescreen set can be aggraviting. The better the display the worse it can look. Most widescreens are also large so you are blowing up something with poor resolution to begin with. The line doublers in virtually all HD displays do help. You probably will prefer your 4:3 NTSC on a regular NTSC set. Having said that; we watch quite a bit of regular TV on our 55" Mits; either with gray bars or stretched... just depends on what we are watching. Note that standard satellite channels have lots of compression and may have lousy picture quality. Suggest you find a retailer that uses DirecTV as a source of their HD material and check it out. Hardwa suggest you go to AVS (HDTV Hardware forum) and/or Hometheaterspot (Samsung forum) and read other owner comments. Samsung makes decent ATSC receivers and I would not hesitate to buy one. All STBs have issues and none are perfect (hint: visit AVS and read user comments). Many seem to prefer Samsung's Directv model (T-160). I don't know much about Samsung CRT displays; I do know their higher end models... DLP models... are much in demand and hightly thought about. Last, be careful when comparing units in stores. While you might have gotten a fair comparison you might not. Beware the "brightest" display in the store; that is not always indicate it is best (just turned up more). (most sets are sent out in Torch mode; brightness and contrast maxed out so they can compete on brightly lit display floors surrounded by dozens of sets). Better if you first set all the controls to neutral settings; tweaked them for the best overall picture; turned the sharpeness down (say to 25%); turned off any noise reduction; turned off SVM (if possible). Make sure all (crt based) sets had their convergence tweaked and.... had the contrast and brightness both turned down to about half. Those are levels you probably will (or should) use at home. Lowered contrast is recommended for CRT sets to help avoid burn-in (uneven phospher wear). Once the TV is home it is recommended you tweak your picture immediately (as above) and then to use a setup disk (like the one made by Avia sold at Amazon and Best Buy). Good Luck Bruce ps: burn-in should not be a problem if you keep the contrast and brightness down and avoid brightly lit/high contrast network/station bugs (logos) and avoid watching endless hours of programs with banners and other static images (cable news channels are not good). |
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