Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

In message ews.net,
Jerry writes

"tony sayer" wrote in message
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Its about time there was a free to air service to the UK that could
carry TV without the dictates of the Sky box;)

Indeed, and if Ofcom was doing it's job correctly - rather than
interfering in maters that really should not concern them (how come
Ofcom can now control the content of adverts, I thought that was the
ASA's area of dictact?)...

ASA has nothing to do with advertising control. It can only moan after
an advert has appeared in the mags and newspapers etc if an ad has upset
its silly sensibilities. ASA bleats provide valuable publicity. They're
not just mostly harmless, they are harmless.

The IBA/ITC responsibility for ITV advertising copy clearance is vested
in Ofcom, the successors of the ITC.

BSkyB should lose control of the up-link, down-link, EPG and
subscription management (encryption / decryption) - in line with the
up and coming EU's "Television without Frontiers" directive there
should really be a common encryption method or at least no platform
specific encryption such as BSkyB use IYSWIM.

Typical Blairite thinking: "Hey fellers! It's not broken so let's break
it!

Uplinks are probably in the hands of BT who hold licences to transmit
uplinks. Down links are controlled by the satellites' owners. Encryption
management is in the hands of a specialist companies, subscription
management is also in the hands of a specialist company.

The so-called 'Television without Frontiers' was dreamed up by a bunch
of limp-wristed, pink and fluffy, mincing wankstains who were strong on
the idea of hanging a bell around pussy's neck but couldn't be bothered
to take time off from buggering each other to think up a way of doing
it. The Berne Convention is the result of agreement between most
countries of the world. The opinions of a group of piddling little
corrupt countries in Europe are of no consequence in the great scheme of
thing.

--
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

David wrote:
"Jerry" wrote in message
reenews.net...

You do not have to have any Sky service subscription to have Sky
install and supply thier box for you to watch the FTV stations.

What don't you understand about "if I want to pay to watch for
example the encrypted Discovery...."? I know that I can use a non
BSkyB box to receive FTV stations, that is not what I was talking
about, no one should be forced to pay for one channel so that they
can then either watch FTA channels (that come 'free' with the base
subscription) or pay to access other channels.


Yes I understand, but you are not reading what I said!

Sky will install / supply you with a SKY box just to watch the FTA
and FTV stations for a one off fee. NO subscription is to be paid.

£150 http://www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/

I don't know why you bother trying, David, Jerry is a wll known troll who's
in many peoples killfiles.

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

JF wrote:

Uplinks [for Astra 28.2E] are probably in the hands of BT who hold licences to
transmit uplinks.

Wrong. The BBC uplink themselves from TV Centre (take a ride on the
Hammersmith and City line and you#ll see the dishes), ITV , C4,
Discovery Networks by Arqiva at Winchester (and other sites), and Sky's
channels from Chilworth, BSky'B's own site that they inherited from BSB
in 1991. ISTR Viacom (MTV etc) arrange their own uplink too.

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

"Mark Carver"
Indeed I rather suspect the continued delay by BBC/ITV to launch their
Freesat' service is due to Sky's tight grip and control of the SI
streams on Astra's birds.

So do I. The proprietary OpenTV system used for EPG and Interactive on
Sky-provided satellite should have its protection removed and a migration
route to standard DVB Event Information Tables and MHEG created. Giving
OpenTV legal protection is not in the public interest.

--
MJR/slef
http://mjr.towers.org.uk/

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

"David"
I do have a normal free to air satellite reciever but I'm afraid Joe Public
would find it hard to use. The Sky is easy with its EPG system and stations
in a set order, and programme info. etc.

The EPG problems are perpetuated by Sky's hold over Service Information.

Point a good FTA receiver at a 19 east and watch the Germans do it properly
(in most cases). Sat.1 and junky friends on services 40-80, RTL on 120xx,
ZDFvision on services 280xx, ARD Digital on 281xx-284xx, most with days of EPG.

That said, we seem to be getting fewer SID changes in the last year or so.
BBC has been on services 6xxx and 103xx for a while. ITV are still strange:
itv1s all over the show, itv2 is 10070 and itv4 is 10072, but itv3 is 10260 :-/

[...] Also with some station the w/s switching is not automatic and you
have to manually alter the TV's ratio.

That's known as a cock-up, AIUI, and can happen with Sky too.

But I do like Skys boxes and Remote controls all working alike not like the
shambles of Freeview boxes some doing this and others doing different
features of the broadcasts.

I'm going to build a PVR: what's the current best user interface practice?

Regards,
--
MJR/slef

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

"David"
"Jerry" wrote:
What don't you understand about "if I want to pay to watch for
example the encrypted Discovery...."? I know that I can use a non
BSkyB box to receive FTV stations, that is not what I was talking
about, no one should be forced to pay for one channel so that they
can then either watch FTA channels (that come 'free' with the base
subscription) or pay to access other channels.

Yes I understand, but you are not reading what I said!

You seem to be not reading what is being asked. How does:

Sky will install / supply you with a SKY box just to watch the FTA and FTV
stations for a one off fee. NO subscription is to be paid.

help Jerry to get Discovery without buying other Sky channels?

The Sky Packages look a lot like monopolist bundling to me.

--
MJR/slef

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

JF wrote:
BSkyB's soft encryption meets the requirments of copyright owners when
granting territorial rights.

which should have been banned for encrypted channels by Television
without Frontiers. Pay per potential viewer, not pay by area.

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

"tony sayer" wrote in message
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How wicked of the BSkyB to be successful!


Yes very wicked of him.. but a private monopoly is a bit worse than a
state one dontcha tink?..
--
Tony Sayer



it's only a monopoly in that nobody else has chosen to compete - you cant
force NTL to switch to satellite.



--
Gareth.
A french man who wanted a castle threw his cat into a pond.
http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/dsbmusic/

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

"Jerry" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
...

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Consequently, there is nothing to prevent a viewer in the UK from
using a different type of digital receiver (i.e. non-Sky
equipment)
to view any channel that is genuinely Free to Air (i.e. not
encrypted).


I think you are missing the point, at least from were I'm standing
(!), if I want to pay to watch for example the encrypted Discovery
channels I should not be required to a/. have a BskyB neuted box and
b/. have a minimum service from Sky before I can subscribe.





that's discovery's business - if they wish they can make their service
available via other means.



--
Gareth.
A french man who wanted a castle threw his cat into a pond.
http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/dsbmusic/

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

"David" wrote in message
...

"Jerry" wrote in message
reenews.net...

You do not have to have any Sky service subscription to have Sky
install and
supply thier box for you to watch the FTV stations.

What don't you understand about "if I want to pay to watch for
example the encrypted Discovery...."? I know that I can use a non
BSkyB box to receive FTV stations, that is not what I was talking
about, no one should be forced to pay for one channel so that
they
can then either watch FTA channels (that come 'free' with the
base
subscription) or pay to access other channels.


Yes I understand, but you are not reading what I said!

Sky will install / supply you with a SKY box just to watch the FTA
and FTV
stations for a one off fee. NO subscription is to be paid.


How does that help me if I want to watch, for example, one or more of
the Discovery channels?...