Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:22:36 -0000, Conor
wrote:

In article ews.net,
MJ Ray says...

Please explain how to get the FTV channels without paying Sky (directly
or indirectly) for the decoder or card.

Ebay.

Answer: you can't. There are no UK FTV channels - those that NewsCorp
apologists call FTV are actually FreesatFromSky subscription ones.

Bull****. THere's plenty of channels you can receive without a card in.


The FTA ones are all the free channels.

But they can't be. Going by your assumption, the Freeview consortium
get some of the money.

Also, most DVB-S receivers have
the proper EPG, but Sky's involvement in the Service Information means
there is only now-and-next data visible in it for the UK channels.

Again, wrong. My Sony TV with built in Freeview does a 7 day EPG.

The fault is on the broadcast side (Sky's monopoly) not the receivers.

********.

Like your going on about Freeview when FTV satellite transmissions are
being discussed ?

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

Jerry wrote:
"Adrian A" wrote in message
om...
MJ Ray wrote:

Please explain how to get the FTV channels without paying Sky
(directly
or indirectly) for the decoder or card.

Answer: you can't. There are no UK FTV channels - those that
NewsCorp
apologists call FTV are actually FreesatFromSky subscription
ones.
The free channels are correctly listed on sites like
www.lyngsat.com
and any DVB-S receiver can see them.

Don't be stupid, since when has a one off payment been a
subscription?


It's still a subscription even if it is a one off payment, or are
those people who chose to pay to become 'Life Members' of a club (or
what ever) not really members like those who pay yearly?
Ah your'e here ..you know ****-all nancy boy.
Have you got a receiver?
What make?
Is it patched?
What do you watch (besides gay porn)?
Please enlighten us.

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

MJ Ray wrote:

Why not tell them about the installation service available from DTT
installers too? Sky is getting preferential treatment from BBC.

The BBC doesn't have any favourites. They just say "satellite for
£150" which is the cheapest way of getting new kit installed by a pro.

They don't mention installation costs for DTT because there is no
fixed price for this and many won't need installation anyway.


FTV are not free.
They are if you have a viewing card. Not everyone has paid for their
viewing card [...]

but everyone has paid in some way for the decoder.

Just as they have to pay for a DTT box or non-Sky sat receiver.


and the cost per year over the projected 5 year life of
the card is minimal anyway (?4).

Minimal is not free.

Indeed. But it is minimal.


We all know which you would choose, but you seem not to care about price,
accuracy in advertising, regulatory failure and one foreign company having
near-monopoly control over the best broadcast system for some of the UK.

I care about all of these.

Price: the total price of FreesatfromSky is below anything similar
available elsewhere.

Accuracy: the BBC is accurate, though for simplicity's sake they don't
list all the possible alternatives: just the ones most likely to apply
to the greatest number of people.

Your last two points are totally valid but not relevant to the way the
BBC promotes Digital.

--
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The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
----
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Conor wrote:

Also, most DVB-S receivers have
the proper EPG, but Sky's involvement in the Service Information means
there is only now-and-next data visible in it for the UK channels.

Again, wrong. My Sony TV with built in Freeview does a 7 day EPG.

Freeview has nothing to do with satellite.

It is perfectly appalling that the Sky EPG should be broadcast in such
a way as to be invisible to most non-Sky boxes. There is no excuse for
this.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

Jomtien wrote:

It is perfectly appalling that the Sky EPG should be broadcast in such
a way as to be invisible to most non-Sky boxes. There is no excuse for
this.

Additionally there's anecdotal evidence that only Sky's EPG/SI stream can be
present on a 'Sky Platform' transponder, hence the difficulty BBC and ITV are
having launching a parallel 'Freesat' system.


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

Jomtien wrote:
MJ Ray wrote:
Why not tell them about the installation service available from DTT
installers too? Sky is getting preferential treatment from BBC.

The BBC doesn't have any favourites. They just say "satellite for
?150" which is the cheapest way of getting new kit installed by a pro.

They don't mention installation costs for DTT because there is no
fixed price for this and many won't need installation anyway.

Huh? DTT boxes work without being installed? You just buy the thing
from the shop and suddenly your old TV can see new channels? All the
ones I've seen have needed wiring in at least.

There's no fixed price for digital satellite installation either and
many will have old dishes on the side of the house anyway.

FTV are not free.
They are if you have a viewing card. Not everyone has paid for their
viewing card [...]

but everyone has paid in some way for the decoder.

Just as they have to pay for a DTT box or non-Sky sat receiver.

You have to pay for the DVB part whatever. The Sky decrypter is an
anti-competitive bundled extra.

[...]
Price: the total price of FreesatfromSky is below anything similar
available elsewhere.

Even if it is, it is not the cheapest price for digital satellite, so
BBC should not quote it as 'from ...' that price.
--
MJR/slef

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

On 2006-12-28, Jomtien wrote:
MJ Ray wrote:

Why not tell them about the installation service available from DTT
installers too? Sky is getting preferential treatment from BBC.

The BBC doesn't have any favourites. They just say "satellite for
£150" which is the cheapest way of getting new kit installed by a pro.

They don't mention installation costs for DTT because there is no
fixed price for this and many won't need installation anyway.


FTV are not free.
They are if you have a viewing card. Not everyone has paid for their
viewing card [...]

but everyone has paid in some way for the decoder.

Just as they have to pay for a DTT box or non-Sky sat receiver.


and the cost per year over the projected 5 year life of
the card is minimal anyway (?4).

Minimal is not free.

Indeed. But it is minimal.

So they are "minimal cost subscription channels" or something. They're
not free. TBH, the small charge doesn't bother me (I have Sky anyway)
it's the idea that Sky are able to profit from people buying a "free"
FTV card.

--
David Taylor

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

On 2006-12-28, MJ Ray wrote:
Jomtien wrote:
MJ Ray wrote:
Why not tell them about the installation service available from DTT
installers too? Sky is getting preferential treatment from BBC.

The BBC doesn't have any favourites. They just say "satellite for
?150" which is the cheapest way of getting new kit installed by a pro.

They don't mention installation costs for DTT because there is no
fixed price for this and many won't need installation anyway.

Huh? DTT boxes work without being installed? You just buy the thing
from the shop and suddenly your old TV can see new channels? All the
ones I've seen have needed wiring in at least.

They (may) require no more installation than a VCR, which many people
seemed capable of installing themselves. Obviously some people will
need a new aerial, and others will be terrified of anything involving
wires. But he's right: many [people] won't neeed [to pay for]
installation.

--
David Taylor

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Jomtien wrote:

It is perfectly appalling that the Sky EPG should be broadcast in
such
a way as to be invisible to most non-Sky boxes. There is no
excuse for
this.

Additionally there's anecdotal evidence that only Sky's EPG/SI
stream can be
present on a 'Sky Platform' transponder, hence the difficulty BBC
and ITV are
having launching a parallel 'Freesat' system.


Time for Ofcom to step on and remove the EPG (and up link control)
from BSkyB then. Is that a pig I can see flying over head!....

Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?
 

MJ Ray wrote:

Why not tell them about the installation service available from DTT
installers too? Sky is getting preferential treatment from BBC.

The BBC doesn't have any favourites. They just say "satellite for
?150" which is the cheapest way of getting new kit installed by a pro.

They don't mention installation costs for DTT because there is no
fixed price for this and many won't need installation anyway.

Huh? DTT boxes work without being installed? You just buy the thing
from the shop and suddenly your old TV can see new channels? All the
ones I've seen have needed wiring in at least.

No, they just need plugging in and this is no more difficult than
connecting and tuning a new VCR. And that is well within the
competence of most viewers.

DTT generally does not require the intervention of a professional and
so the "from £30" price the BBC ads mention reflects this. There *may*
be a need to change the antenna and this *may* cost extra.
Just as there *may* be a problem with your electrical wiring and you
*may* need to get an electrician to rewire your house, but that all
depends on your individual circumstances.


There's no fixed price for digital satellite installation either and
many will have old dishes on the side of the house anyway.

There is indeed a fixed price that covers all normal installations.
Most people in the UK can get a completely new Freesat digital
satellite installation for £150 from Sky. Even a DIY job is unlikely
to give a significant saving on this and DIY satellite installation is
completely beyond the competence of most viewers. I doubt that many
professional installers would supply and fit a non-Sky box and dish
for £150.

Obviously there is little point the BBC referring to situations where
viewers already have dishes and boxes, because they are most likely to
already be digital viewers.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)