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Max Demian wrote:


I expect he has aircon.


Now that is a good idea.

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Bill Wright wrote:


That's more or less my attitude. I'm not going to put myself out worrying
about power usage until
(a) The Chinese agree to go back to pre-industrial poverty
(b) Absurd city road schemes that cause vehicles to travel unneccessary
miles are abolished
(c) Bus lanes, which cause pollution by increasing traffic congestion, are
abolished
(d) The offices on Canary Wharf stop wasting £7k worth of electricity every
night by leaving lights and computers on
(e) We get some nuclear power stations built
(d) The government tell Sky that they can't continue to supply receivers
that use 25W on standby and 'have to be left on standby'. (Fat chance of the
government telling Sky to do anything though)



I agree with all that, mind you my sky box is now sat up here in a box,
so that is not used anymore.

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AD C wrote:
Pyriform wrote:
I have this morning received a communication from my current energy
supplier, Southern Electric. After explaining that they've fulfilled
their May promise not to increase my prices again for the rest of
2006, and are therefore now going to increase them from 1st January
2007, they point me in the direction of their handy energy-saving
leaflet, which they have enclosed.

"Work WONDERS in a WEEKEND", it proclaims, ahead of a list of 4
energy saving priorities. In fourth place, the fridge-freezer. In
third place, the standby buttons. At number 2, the boiler thermostat
(not the room thermostat, as those of us less expert in the field
might have predicted). But in pole position, the lethal, energy
guzzling mobile phone charger. I quote:

"1 Unplug your mobile phone charger

These little black boxes suck 100kWhrs a day from your socket, even
when your phone is fully charged!"



so do the power supplies that power my 2 external drives, the power
supply that keeps my mouse charged up, then the four power supplies
that keep my Dect phones charged. the power supply that keep my
answering machine answering the phone. My freeview box and my DVd
recorder, both on standby then there is my computer which is on 24
hours a day. so there is no way I am going to worry about a piddly
little mobile phone charger.


In other words I don't give a crap, I pay for my electric and if
anyone got a problem with that then tough.

Aren't you the hard man? Lol.

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The message
from Chris contains these words:

In message , Johnny B Good
writes

===snip===

It's not entirely clear what it is you're referring to as a "standard
watt meter". Could you offer more detail such as whether it's an
analogue or an electronic digital type of meter? I only ask because I'm
quite impressed, nay, intrigued, by the precision of your no load
wattage readings at such low power levels on mains voltage kit.


I didn't perform the original tests posted earlier, but I personally use
the following:

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=010916213

As you pointed out, there can be a problem with measurement of very low
wattage appliances which is why I posted the technique above.

Looks to be a useful item of test gear. Unfortunately, they don't
provide a link to any detail specs. However, There's a store local to me
which I might be able to visit over the weekend.

--
Regards, John.

Please remove the "ohggcyht" before replying.
The address has been munged to reject Spam-bots.

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Vaughan wrote:


In other words I don't give a crap, I pay for my electric and if
anyone got a problem with that then tough.

Aren't you the hard man? Lol.



No, I don't pretend to be either. I am just fed up of being told what to
do by this nanny state.

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"AD C" wrote in message
...
Vaughan wrote:


In other words I don't give a crap, I pay for my electric and if
anyone got a problem with that then tough.

Aren't you the hard man? Lol.

No, I don't pretend to be either. I am just fed up of being told what to
do by this nanny state.

I find myself looking for ways to circumvent various rules and regulations
not because I particularly want to but because I feel that a protest is
appropriate. We are over-governed, over-regulated, and I'm pretty ****ed off
by it. I have many secret ways of confounding the rule makers. I exhort you
all to look for ways of doing the same. We must all do our bit. Sadly,
things have reached the point where good citizens need to look for ways of
making themselves ungovernable.

Bill

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Bill Wright wrote:
"AD C" wrote in message
...
Vaughan wrote:


In other words I don't give a crap, I pay for my electric and if
anyone got a problem with that then tough.

Aren't you the hard man? Lol.

No, I don't pretend to be either. I am just fed up of being told
what to do by this nanny state.

I find myself looking for ways to circumvent various rules and
regulations not because I particularly want to but because I feel
that a protest is appropriate. We are over-governed, over-regulated,
and I'm pretty ****ed off by it. I have many secret ways of
confounding the rule makers. I exhort you all to look for ways of
doing the same. We must all do our bit. Sadly, things have reached
the point where good citizens need to look for ways of making
themselves ungovernable.

Have you outed yourself as an anarchist?

There are plenty of things to get worked up about, but the government
exhorting the populace to reduce their energy consumption is pretty low on
my list. I object to the spouting of crap about it (hence this thread), but
ultimately it is a Good Thing. It saves you money, and it nudges the planet
ever-so-slightly in the right direction. If you are telling me you actively
avoid energy saving measures because you don't like being told what to do, I
have three words which I invite you to incorporate into a well-known phrase
or saying: nose, face, spite.

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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:12:12 -0000, "Pyriform"
wrote:

There are plenty of things to get worked up about, but the government
exhorting the populace to reduce their energy consumption is pretty low on
my list. I object to the spouting of crap about it (hence this thread), but
ultimately it is a Good Thing. It saves you money, and it nudges the planet
ever-so-slightly in the right direction.

It is a Good Thing in a qualitative sense, but it needs to be looked
at quantitatively. We should of course try not to waste resources
where they serve no purpose, but encouraging individuals to switch off
or abstain from using things that *are* serving a purpose, even if it
is just improving the quality of somebody's life, is pointless if we
simultaneously ignore potential savings several orders of magnitude
greater that could be achieved by the sensible management of heating
lighting and electrical equipment in large public and commercial
buildings. Thermostats and time switches are not rocket science.

Rod.

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Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:12:12 -0000, "Pyriform"
wrote:

There are plenty of things to get worked up about, but the government
exhorting the populace to reduce their energy consumption is pretty
low on my list. I object to the spouting of crap about it (hence
this thread), but ultimately it is a Good Thing. It saves you money,
and it nudges the planet ever-so-slightly in the right direction.

It is a Good Thing in a qualitative sense, but it needs to be looked
at quantitatively. We should of course try not to waste resources
where they serve no purpose, but encouraging individuals to switch off
or abstain from using things that *are* serving a purpose, even if it
is just improving the quality of somebody's life, is pointless if we
simultaneously ignore potential savings several orders of magnitude
greater that could be achieved by the sensible management of heating
lighting and electrical equipment in large public and commercial
buildings. Thermostats and time switches are not rocket science.

No disagreement from me there! That's pretty much what this thread was
about, after all - the fact that a major energy supplier not only employed
someone stupid enough to make a patently absurd claim about mobile phone
chargers in the first place, but also that they failed to notice it was
absurd at any stage in the process of printing and delivering it to
all their customers. If you look back to my original post, you will see
that their suggestion for reducing heating costs by lowering the *boiler*
temperature was also incorrect.

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"Pyriform" wrote in message
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There are plenty of things to get worked up about, but the government
exhorting the populace to reduce their energy consumption is pretty low on
my list. I object to the spouting of crap about it (hence this thread),
but ultimately it is a Good Thing. It saves you money, and it nudges the
planet ever-so-slightly in the right direction. If you are telling me you
actively avoid energy saving measures because you don't like being told
what to do, I have three words which I invite you to incorporate into a
well-known phrase or saying: nose, face, spite.

Ah! That will be, 'Sidney, if you pick your nose at dinner I will be
offended, de spite your pretty face.'

Anyway, I wouldn't put myself out about any of the environmental ********
very much (as far as I'm concerned the zealots are people who get their
kicks from interfering in other peoples lives, and this is a fairly harmless
way of keeping them preoccupied. I do what I can to save electricity and
fuel only because it saves money, because I'm convinced that any efforts we
make to reduce CO2 emissions in this country are a drop of **** in the
swimming pool compared to what the 3rd world is going to get up to in the
next 50 years. In 50 years time we'll laugh at our environmental efforts
now, because the true fulility will have become apparent. That's if it turns
out that human CO2 production is significant, of course).

But when I'm told I've got to pay a fortune to fit a 56mph speed governor in
a vehicle that is unarguably incapable of exceeding 50mph I do get annoyed.
Likewise I have a constant battle with local authority customers to make
them understand that a TV aerial fitted (not as part of any other works) on
their buildings is not building work and thus should not incur CS4
deductions. This scheme was set up to prevent people working on building
sites and getting paid cash in hand. I'm all in favour of that, but the
legislation is so clumsy that no-one seems to have any idea what work it
applies to.

I have a letter on my desk threatening me with a £1000 fine if I fail to
disclose the identities of anyone to whom I've sold a TV set, set top box,
etc. So I have to waste time compling lists of institutions that already
have TV licences: prisons, hospitals, universities, etc. What a waste of
time. How have we reached the point where we collect money for the BBC by
this ludicrously inefficient method, and have to harrass honest traders with
threat of fines? What a crock of ****e!

And I see someone got a £100 fine for putting food in the wrong dustbin! God
help us all!

Bill

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"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:12:12 -0000, "Pyriform"
wrote:

There are plenty of things to get worked up about, but the government
exhorting the populace to reduce their energy consumption is pretty low on
my list. I object to the spouting of crap about it (hence this thread),
but
ultimately it is a Good Thing. It saves you money, and it nudges the
planet
ever-so-slightly in the right direction.

It is a Good Thing in a qualitative sense, but it needs to be looked
at quantitatively. We should of course try not to waste resources
where they serve no purpose, but encouraging individuals to switch off
or abstain from using things that *are* serving a purpose, even if it
is just improving the quality of somebody's life, is pointless if we
simultaneously ignore potential savings several orders of magnitude
greater that could be achieved by the sensible management of heating
lighting and electrical equipment in large public and commercial
buildings. Thermostats and time switches are not rocket science.

Rod.

Well that's exactly my point. They pick on ordinary people because they're
easy to bully, and let the big institution waste enegy on a massive scale. I
find it very annoying that OAPs have been brainwashed into turning lights
off and heating down because of this crap.

Bill

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Bill Wright wrote:


I find myself looking for ways to circumvent various rules and regulations
not because I particularly want to but because I feel that a protest is
appropriate. We are over-governed, over-regulated, and I'm pretty ****ed off
by it. I have many secret ways of confounding the rule makers. I exhort you
all to look for ways of doing the same. We must all do our bit. Sadly,
things have reached the point where good citizens need to look for ways of
making themselves ungovernable.

I agree with you and the older I get the more ****ed off I get.

Getting fed up of this country and I think if things was different with
my personal life, I would pack up and go else where, maybe to the
states. Got to be better than this **** hole