The pain of waiting for a 5th gen receiver
 

Fun to read.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=725544

Now we are talking 6th gen LG receiver and they still have no 5th gen yet.

Bob Miller

The pain of waiting for a 5th gen receiver
 

Bob Miller wrote:
Fun to read.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=725544

Now we are talking 6th gen LG receiver and they still have no 5th gen
yet.

Bob Miller

Bob you are a lying sack of **** and you know it. The 5th generation chip is available in the H20-600 Directv receiver
and in all LG televisions that have ota digital tuners. Why do you persist on trying to fool people that know better?

Chip

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The pain of waiting for a 5th gen receiver
 

wrote:
Bob Miller wrote:
Fun to read.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=725544

Now we are talking 6th gen LG receiver and they still have no 5th gen
yet.

Bob Miller

Bob you are a lying sack of **** and you know it. The 5th generation chip is available in the H20-600 Directv receiver
and in all LG televisions that have ota digital tuners. Why do you persist on trying to fool people that know better?

Chip

LG has no 5th gen receiver on the market. DirectTV is selling a receiver
with an LG 5th gen chip in it. That makes DirectTV the bulk customer of
LG's. LG has 5th gen chips in their HDTV sets but LG is not selling a
stand alone STB with a 5th gen chip in it.

Given.

None of these are near the specs of the 5th gen prototype that generated
all the hype about better reception.

NO 5th gen LG device has come close to that prototype. Some speculate
that LG will have that prototype technology in their 6th gen.

Maybe.

At this point it is all just a hoot.

In the meantime LG is selling COFDM HDTV receivers in a market 1/16th
the size of the US market. These COFDM receivers they are selling
require that they pay royalties which they would not pay for an 8-VSB
receiver since they own most of the IP royalty rights to 8-VSB.

LG is selling COFDM receivers in this very small market, Australia,
against 120 other models of COFDM receivers.

IN A COUNTRY OF ONLY 4 MILLION HOUSEHOLDS.

Tell me again why LG is NOT selling an OTA 8-VSB receiver in the US. The
US which is one of the largest and richest markets in the world.

Why are there 60 companies beating each other up in OZ with 4 million
households for the sale of HDTV COFDM receivers while there are HOW MANY
companies BARELY trying to sell any kind of OTA 8-VSB in the US where
there are 110 MILLION households.

ONE HUNDRED TEN MILLION HOUSEHOLDS!!!! NO PLAYERS!!! NOT EVEN THE ONE
COMPANY THAT OWNS THE PATENT RIGHTS.

No you are not going to explain it because you refuse to accept the
simple fact that 8-VSB is garbage. The manufacturers know it. The
retailers know it. Why is is so hard to accept?

Bob Miller

The pain of waiting for a 5th gen receiver
 

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
ink.net...
wrote:
Bob Miller wrote:
Fun to read.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=725544

Now we are talking 6th gen LG receiver and they still have no 5th gen
yet.

Bob Miller

Bob you are a lying sack of **** and you know it. The 5th generation chip
is available in the H20-600 Directv receiver
and in all LG televisions that have ota digital tuners. Why do you
persist on trying to fool people that know better?

Chip

LG has no 5th gen receiver on the market. DirectTV is selling a receiver
with an LG 5th gen chip in it. That makes DirectTV the bulk customer of
LG's. LG has 5th gen chips in their HDTV sets but LG is not selling a
stand alone STB with a 5th gen chip in it.

Given.

None of these are near the specs of the 5th gen prototype that generated
all the hype about better reception.

NO 5th gen LG device has come close to that prototype. Some speculate that
LG will have that prototype technology in their 6th gen.

Maybe.

At this point it is all just a hoot.

In the meantime LG is selling COFDM HDTV receivers in a market 1/16th the
size of the US market. These COFDM receivers they are selling require that
they pay royalties which they would not pay for an 8-VSB receiver since
they own most of the IP royalty rights to 8-VSB.

LG is selling COFDM receivers in this very small market, Australia,
against 120 other models of COFDM receivers.

IN A COUNTRY OF ONLY 4 MILLION HOUSEHOLDS.

Tell me again why LG is NOT selling an OTA 8-VSB receiver in the US. The
US which is one of the largest and richest markets in the world.

Why are there 60 companies beating each other up in OZ with 4 million
households for the sale of HDTV COFDM receivers while there are HOW MANY
companies BARELY trying to sell any kind of OTA 8-VSB in the US where
there are 110 MILLION households.

ONE HUNDRED TEN MILLION HOUSEHOLDS!!!! NO PLAYERS!!! NOT EVEN THE ONE
COMPANY THAT OWNS THE PATENT RIGHTS.

No you are not going to explain it because you refuse to accept the simple
fact that 8-VSB is garbage. The manufacturers know it. The retailers know
it. Why is is so hard to accept?

Bob Miller


How's your nice new account on www.avsforum.com coming along?

The pain of waiting for a 5th gen receiver
 

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
ink.net...
Fun to read.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=725544

Now we are talking 6th gen LG receiver and they still have no 5th gen yet.

Bob Miller



Cool. Most AVS forum threads *are* fun to read. :-)

I'm sure Alan appreciates your continuing promotion of his forum, even if
you were thrown out.

The pain of waiting for a 5th gen receiver
 

"Bob Miller" wrote

No you are not going to explain it because you refuse to accept the simple
fact that 8-VSB is garbage. The manufacturers know it. The retailers know
it. Why is is so hard to accept?

Because you're lying, as usual.

The pain of waiting for a 5th gen receiver
 

Bob Miller wrote:
wrote:
Bob Miller wrote:
Fun to read.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=725544

Now we are talking 6th gen LG receiver and they still have no 5th gen
yet.

Bob Miller

Bob you are a lying sack of **** and you know it. The 5th generation
chip is available in the H20-600 Directv receiver and in all LG
televisions that have ota digital tuners. Why do you persist on trying
to fool people that know better?

Chip

LG has no 5th gen receiver on the market. DirectTV is selling a receiver
with an LG 5th gen chip in it. That makes DirectTV the bulk customer of
LG's. LG has 5th gen chips in their HDTV sets but LG is not selling a
stand alone STB with a 5th gen chip in it.

Given.

None of these are near the specs of the 5th gen prototype that generated
all the hype about better reception.

NO 5th gen LG device has come close to that prototype. Some speculate
that LG will have that prototype technology in their 6th gen.

Maybe.

At this point it is all just a hoot.

In the meantime LG is selling COFDM HDTV receivers in a market 1/16th
the size of the US market. These COFDM receivers they are selling
require that they pay royalties which they would not pay for an 8-VSB
receiver since they own most of the IP royalty rights to 8-VSB.

LG is selling COFDM receivers in this very small market, Australia,
against 120 other models of COFDM receivers.

IN A COUNTRY OF ONLY 4 MILLION HOUSEHOLDS.

Tell me again why LG is NOT selling an OTA 8-VSB receiver in the US. The
US which is one of the largest and richest markets in the world.

Why are there 60 companies beating each other up in OZ with 4 million
households for the sale of HDTV COFDM receivers while there are HOW MANY
companies BARELY trying to sell any kind of OTA 8-VSB in the US where
there are 110 MILLION households.

ONE HUNDRED TEN MILLION HOUSEHOLDS!!!! NO PLAYERS!!! NOT EVEN THE ONE
COMPANY THAT OWNS THE PATENT RIGHTS.

No you are not going to explain it because you refuse to accept the
simple fact that 8-VSB is garbage. The manufacturers know it. The
retailers know it. Why is is so hard to accept?

Bob Miller


If 8-VSB is garbage as you say, why does it work so well for me and so many others? Get over it Bob, you lost (money). Now go away!

Chip

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The pain of waiting for a 5th gen receiver
 

Bob Miller writes:
[...] Unsubstantiated assertions omitted

For those that might be interested in actual technical analysis of
8VSB versus OFDM and not merely unsubstantiated assertions, see the
threads in comp.dsp starting with "Simple-Minded."

The bottom line: 8VSB is not as power efficient as it could be, and
it may require more MIPS to perform as well in multipath, but it's
doable.
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The pain of waiting for a 5th gen receiver
 

Randy Yates wrote:
Bob Miller writes:
[...] Unsubstantiated assertions omitted

For those that might be interested in actual technical analysis of
8VSB versus OFDM and not merely unsubstantiated assertions, see the
threads in comp.dsp starting with "Simple-Minded."

The bottom line: 8VSB is not as power efficient as it could be, and
it may require more MIPS to perform as well in multipath, but it's
doable.


Doable??? And still compatible with current US 8-VSB receivers??? NO!

Doable?? At any reasonable cost? NO!

Doable?? Many respondents on comp.dsp suggested very emphatically NOT!!!

The leader in the field might be LG which holds most of the IP rights to
they current US 8-VSB. The engineers that are responsible for their
latest tech, 5th gen prototype tested two years ago but never put into
production, agreed with me that NO version of 8-VSB would ever be
developed that would match DVB-T COFDM.

And OFDM has gone far beyond that.

Bob Miller

The pain of waiting for a 5th gen receiver
 

Bob Miller writes:

Randy Yates wrote:
Bob Miller writes:
[...] Unsubstantiated assertions omitted
For those that might be interested in actual technical analysis of
8VSB versus OFDM and not merely unsubstantiated assertions, see the
threads in comp.dsp starting with "Simple-Minded."
The bottom line: 8VSB is not as power efficient as it could be, and
it may require more MIPS to perform as well in multipath, but it's
doable.


Doable??? And still compatible with current US 8-VSB receivers??? NO!

Doable?? At any reasonable cost? NO!

Doable?? Many respondents on comp.dsp suggested very emphatically NOT!!!

The leader in the field might be LG which holds most of the IP rights
to they current US 8-VSB. The engineers that are responsible for their
latest tech, 5th gen prototype tested two years ago but never put into
production, agreed with me that NO version of 8-VSB would ever be
developed that would match DVB-T COFDM.

And OFDM has gone far beyond that.

Bob Miller

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