Thumper wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:57:36 -0500, Jeff Rife wrote:

Larry Bud ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:

I thing the quality is the same, but you do get a different look
because ESPN and MNF games are at night, under complete artificial
lighting. It's a sharper whiter light, IMO.

Yeah, the lighting is a huge part of it.

Today's Patriots at Colts (inside a dome) looked as much like "looking
through a window" as HD gets.

Yeah, it was brilliant.

Watch to night's game if you have ESPN HD and tell me if you don't
think it's better. Of course I'm getting CBS via cable and the local
station is still going through growing pains. I still thin ESPNHD
looks better but I might need new glasses.

Is this a 720p vs 1080i issue in disguise? My TV is 1080i.
I'm guessing CBS games are shot in 1080i because the slow
motion replays take a big resolution cut. I'm guessing ESPNHD
is in 720p because the slow-mos are sharp. However, the cable
box outputs 1080i only, so anything in 720p would be converted
to 1080i regardless. Thus, anything in 720p wouldn't look
100% even if my TV had 720p capability.

Anyway, for me CBS looks a little bit better than ESPNHD but
they both look great. Is this a 720p vs 1080i issue in disguise?

Isaac Kuo

Isaac Kuo ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Just to eliminate a couple possibilities some people have
mentionned--INHD shows pretty top-notch video most of the
time, and their broadcast of Home Alone 2 is certainly
high quality.

I guess you are only talking about the video, because no content review
of "Home Alone #" could be considered "high quality". ;-

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Jeff Rife | "One minute we were spanking each other with
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| -- Joe Hackett, "Wings"
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Yes you are wrong. Some shows are done on video tape. The vast
majority are done on film.


fewer and fewer sitcoms are on tape...or at they LOOK like they are on film.
Nothing like the heydays in the 70s with taped shows like Carol Burnett, All in
the family and all it's spinoffs, etc. Now looks like film is king again.

Jeff Rife ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Thumper ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Watch to night's game if you have ESPN HD and tell me if you don't
think it's better.

It looked fine, but not nearly as "transparent".

On the other hand, the ABC MNF game (Titans/Jets) wasn't very good at all.
There was quite a bit of edge enhancement (both horizontal and vertical),
and any EE is too much for HD.

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"Thumper" wrote in message
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: On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:20:31 -0800, "Richard C."
: wrote:
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: "Chuck Olson" wrote in message
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: : Yes, movies are about the worst examples of HDTV you can find. If they were
ever
: photographed
: : in the degree of resolution that HDTV is capable of displaying, by the time they
: reach the
: : airwaves, most have been filtered and softened to fit within the bandwidth of
DVD
: or worse.
: ==================
:
: Film is FAR superior to HDTV resolution.
: Some movies have been the BEST example of what HDTV offers.
:
: For instance?
: Thumper
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Toy Story on ABC last year.

Note if you have Directv. The NFL Films version of the Colts Patriots game
is on the NFL Channel in HD Dec. 3 at 9 EST. It will be on one of the HD
transponders, not Ch. 212. I've got the DVD recorder ready to go.

If your're from Indianapolis, suggest you watch PBS instead.

"Thumper" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:57:36 -0500, Jeff Rife wrote:

Larry Bud ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Am I the only one who thinks that the ESPNHD games look much nicer
than the CBS HD games do?

I thing the quality is the same, but you do get a different look
because ESPN and MNF games are at night, under complete artificial
lighting. It's a sharper whiter light, IMO.

Yeah, the lighting is a huge part of it.

Today's Patriots at Colts (inside a dome) looked as much like "looking
through a window" as HD gets.

Watch to night's game if you have ESPN HD and tell me if you don't
think it's better. Of course I'm getting CBS via cable and the local
station is still going through growing pains. I still thin ESPNHD
looks better but I might need new glasses.
THumper
To reply drop XYZ in address

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"Thumper" wrote in message
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: On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:20:31 -0800, "Richard C."
: wrote:
:
:
: "Chuck Olson" wrote in message
: news:[email protected]_s04...
: :
: : Yes, movies are about the worst examples of HDTV you can find. If
: : they were
ever
: photographed
: : in the degree of resolution that HDTV is capable of displaying, by
: : the time they
: reach the
: : airwaves, most have been filtered and softened to fit within the
: : bandwidth of
DVD
: or worse.
: ==================
:
: Film is FAR superior to HDTV resolution.
: Some movies have been the BEST example of what HDTV offers.
:
: For instance?
: Thumper
: To reply drop XYZ in address

====================
Toy Story on ABC last year.



I agree that first cut early run film can be superior to HDTV resolution.
I disagree about using Toy Story as the best example. Animated features
look good on HDTV, but they also tend to look good with a standard
broadcast. They tend to have less changes in color, hue, etc and don't
show the detail as will as something that is of a real image.

"Bulk Daddy" wrote in message

I agree that first cut early run film can be superior to HDTV resolution.
I disagree about using Toy Story as the best example. Animated features
look good on HDTV, but they also tend to look good with a standard
broadcast. They tend to have less changes in color, hue, etc and don't
show the detail as will as something that is of a real image.

I watched Toy Story 2 last month on ABC and set the TV to flip between HD,
NTSC and DVD.
The quality differences between the three were shocking. Even from DVD to
HD.