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I seriously doubt Xbox 360's ability to do 1080p
* Zomoniac:
What a load of ********. HDTV does not mean HDCP. Try telling your theory to the hundreds of thousands of HDTV owners around that are currently watching HDTV on their telly that does not support HDCP... I presume you're an American then, and have different rules. In the UK you can't get HDTV without HDCP. This has _nothing_ to do with the country. Seems you didn't understand what "HD Ready" means. Of course nowhere in the world the "HD Ready" logo is _required_ for HDTV, not in the US, and not in the UK. "HD Ready" simply means that the device accepts a digital video signal with HDCP encryption over HDMI or DVI. A HDTV TV set without "HD Ready" logo is still HDTV, though, but without HDCP support and HDMI/DVI it's not allowed to carry the logo. This is the case everywhere in the world. So all the HDTV TV sets with analog component inputs are still HDTV, even without "HD Ready" logo. They just lack the logo and can't display encrypted HDCP content. But that doesn't mean they are not HDTV. Besides that, the value of "HD Ready" for customers is exactly zero as HDCP is just a copy protection system. HDCP also works with blacklists so it's possible that some day your nice "HD Ready" device won't display encrypted content any more because the movie industry thinks that this device isn't secure enough any more... Benjamin |
I seriously doubt Xbox 360's ability to do 1080p
* Chris F:
no, he's right, if a tv does not boast a HDMI port and a resolution capable of displaing at least 720p, it can't be "officially" badged as being HDTV ready in the UK, which is basically a way of showing that the set is "futureproof" "HD Ready" != HDTV ready... Benjamin |
I seriously doubt Xbox 360's ability to do 1080p
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:15:02 +1200, "nicely toasted"
wrote: Yup, but for a TV to be HD Ready it has to be able to display HDTV, which means HDCP. What a load of ********. HDTV does not mean HDCP. Try telling your theory to the hundreds of thousands of HDTV owners around that are currently watching HDTV on their telly that does not support HDCP... "HD Ready" does mean it has to have HDCP. -- Andrew, contact via http://interpleb.googlepages.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. |
I seriously doubt Xbox 360's ability to do 1080p
On 2006-09-29 05:18:26 +0100, Benjamin Gawert said:
* Zomoniac: What a load of ********. HDTV does not mean HDCP. Try telling your theory to the hundreds of thousands of HDTV owners around that are currently watching HDTV on their telly that does not support HDCP... I presume you're an American then, and have different rules. In the UK you can't get HDTV without HDCP. This has _nothing_ to do with the country. Seems you didn't understand what "HD Ready" means. Of course nowhere in the world the "HD Ready" logo is _required_ for HDTV, not in the US, and not in the UK. "HD Ready" simply means that the device accepts a digital video signal with HDCP encryption over HDMI or DVI. A HDTV TV set without "HD Ready" logo is still HDTV, though, but without HDCP support and HDMI/DVI it's not allowed to carry the logo. This is the case everywhere in the world. So all the HDTV TV sets with analog component inputs are still HDTV, even without "HD Ready" logo. They just lack the logo and can't display encrypted HDCP content. But that doesn't mean they are not HDTV. Besides that, the value of "HD Ready" for customers is exactly zero as HDCP is just a copy protection system. HDCP also works with blacklists so it's possible that some day your nice "HD Ready" device won't display encrypted content any more because the movie industry thinks that this device isn't secure enough any more... Benjamin What on earth is everyone going on about?! You said yourself, in the above post, that for a TV to be labelled "HD Ready", not just "HDTV", it has to carry HDMI with HDCP. I pointed out that MS said "Xbox 360 supports HD Component video output, which is compatible with nearly every HD ready TV on the market today. That's not yet true for HDMI." and commented on their strange choice of wording. They didn't say every HDTV, they said every HD *ready* TV, did not have HDMI. Which, as you said yourself, it has to, by very definition. Yes, I know I'm just being a pedantic ****, but nobody actually seems to understand what I'm talking about and going on about something completely different. -- Zo For Sale: FIFA RTWC 06, Fight Night Round 3, Oblivion (all 360) |
I seriously doubt Xbox 360's ability to do 1080p
"Zomoniac" wrote in message ... On 2006-09-28 19:59:28 +0100, "Paulo De Souza" said: Cos those little 23" Samsung HDs that are in the 360 demo pods aren't allowed to say HD Ready, since without HDCP over HDMI they can't actually display HDTV. Don't know about the sticker or anything but HDTV is anything that can display a 720p picture. So anything with 1280x720 resolution or higher can output a HDTV image. Yup, but for a TV to be HD Ready it has to be able to display HDTV, which means HDCP. I'm not sure Freeview HD will be HDCP'd. I don't think that it has been during the trial anyway. Shak |
I seriously doubt Xbox 360's ability to do 1080p
Shak wrote:
"Zomoniac" wrote in message ... On 2006-09-28 19:59:28 +0100, "Paulo De Souza" said: Cos those little 23" Samsung HDs that are in the 360 demo pods aren't allowed to say HD Ready, since without HDCP over HDMI they can't actually display HDTV. Don't know about the sticker or anything but HDTV is anything that can display a 720p picture. So anything with 1280x720 resolution or higher can output a HDTV image. Yup, but for a TV to be HD Ready it has to be able to display HDTV, which means HDCP. I'm not sure Freeview HD will be HDCP'd. I don't think that it has been during the trial anyway. Yeah but for Freeview HD (Terrestrial HD for anyone outside the UK who doesn't know) that's gonna have to wait until all analogue stations switch off starting in areas around the UK in 2007 and finishing in 2012. That's if they're still on track with that, mind you... -- Skipai |
I seriously doubt Xbox 360's ability to do 1080p
"Skipai Otter" wrote in message
... Shak wrote: "Zomoniac" wrote in message Yup, but for a TV to be HD Ready it has to be able to display HDTV, which means HDCP. I'm not sure Freeview HD will be HDCP'd. I don't think that it has been during the trial anyway. Yeah but for Freeview HD (Terrestrial HD for anyone outside the UK who doesn't know) that's gonna have to wait until all analogue stations switch off starting in areas around the UK in 2007 and finishing in 2012. That's if they're still on track with that, mind you... Yeh, alright. I was just disagreeing with all HDTV having to have HDCP. In fact, can't you watch Sky HD over component too? Shak |
I seriously doubt Xbox 360's ability to do 1080p
On 2006-09-29 13:34:27 +0100, "Shak" said:
"Skipai Otter" wrote in message ... Shak wrote: "Zomoniac" wrote in message Yup, but for a TV to be HD Ready it has to be able to display HDTV, which means HDCP. I'm not sure Freeview HD will be HDCP'd. I don't think that it has been during the trial anyway. Yeah but for Freeview HD (Terrestrial HD for anyone outside the UK who doesn't know) that's gonna have to wait until all analogue stations switch off starting in areas around the UK in 2007 and finishing in 2012. That's if they're still on track with that, mind you... Yeh, alright. I was just disagreeing with all HDTV having to have HDCP. In fact, can't you watch Sky HD over component too? Probably. But sooner or later the big film studios will start telling Sky that they want their content encrypting, and so to watch it you'll need HDMI or HDCP over DVI. HD Ready (NOT the same as HDTV) is a mark given to futureproofed TVs, a label that is awarded only if a tv a) supports 720p minimum AND b) supports HD content through an analogue connection AND c) supports HDCP protected content over a digital source. Only if ALL three criteria are met can it be badged "HD Ready", it's a standard to show that a set is futureproof and will still be usable in a few years when HDCP over HDMI becomes compulsary (probably). -- Zo For Sale: FIFA RTWC 06, Fight Night Round 3, Oblivion (all 360) |
I seriously doubt Xbox 360's ability to do 1080p
Are you guys really going to argue about a friggin sticker???
What on earth is everyone going on about?! You said yourself, in the above post, that for a TV to be labelled "HD Ready", not just "HDTV", it has to carry HDMI with HDCP. I pointed out that MS said "Xbox 360 supports HD Component video output, which is compatible with nearly every HD ready TV on the market today. That's not yet true for HDMI." and commented on their strange choice of wording. They didn't say every HDTV, they said every HD *ready* TV, did not have HDMI. Which, as you said yourself, it has to, by very definition. Yes, I know I'm just being a pedantic ****, but nobody actually seems to understand what I'm talking about and going on about something completely different. -- Zo For Sale: FIFA RTWC 06, Fight Night Round 3, Oblivion (all 360) |
I seriously doubt Xbox 360's ability to do 1080p
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