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will all current tv sets become obsolete?

Mark Crispin wrote:

On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
In article [email protected],
Wes Newell wrote:
Apparently, many broadcasters DO think
they can make money showing reruns on it.
So 1 out of about ten doing it is many?
You never said "many". Quit trying to twist this around and ignore your
own words.

He didn't say "many". You did.d

Your head is stuck in the sand because you don't want to acknowledge the
real world around you.

We can stipulate that there is such a thing as sleaze in the real world.
But sleaze does not equate to mainstream; and what sleaze does can not be
interpreted as mainstream either.

There is no, nada, zip, evidence that mainstream broadcasters are choosing
to multiplex SD channels rather than broadcast in HD with possible an SD
subchannel or two.

Sinclair is not mainstream. Televangelists are not mainstream.
Shop-at-home are not mainstream. PBS is not mainstream either.

All of these have some other master to serve besides the market.

Americans vote with "more is better". You may not like it, but John Q.
Public responds to that.

Perhaps in Illinois (which seems to be where you are located) that is the
case. That can not be generalized to the entire country.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

Problem is,,,this thread is about post 2009,,,

What you see now, or what you saw 6 years ago, have nothing at all to
do with what your will see after analog goes dead. The present OTA
digital audience is less than 3 percent of market,,after 2009,,all
that is going to change.

OTA stations, and the networks behind them have to make money, and
"return shareholder value". They do not/can not to give away HD to do
that.

Go to Wal Mart,,rows and rows of Digital OTA ready sub 300 dollar SD
tube TVs, by 2009, add rows and rows of sub 100 dollar TVs. Not HD
TVS; 4:3 aspect ration SD TVs; that can recieve digital modulation.

JQP is going to expect to get 5 channels from each OTA station,,, The
independent stations are already doing that, the network affilitates
will follow suit.

and sorry,,you can not be sending out 1 or 2 subs, and still be
sending out a true HD main,,,laws of physics do not allow that.

16:9 HD TV is going to migrate to the premium pay EXTRA for Sat and
Cable Feeds (thru which 84 percent of the present viewers get there
primary TV from,,,). And even amoung that 84 percent, few are going
to be subscribers to the extra cost Premium HD content - most are dog
happy with the fuzzy pictures they already get. People buy BIG SCREEN
TVs to watch DVDs, and see Big Fuzzy "digital" cable feeds,,,people
that depend on OTA TV, are not buyers of Big Screen Tvs - they are
more worried about having enough food, not seeing Tom Cruises nose
hairs.

will all current tv sets become obsolete?

On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, common_ wrote:
16:9 HD TV is going to migrate to the premium pay EXTRA for Sat and
Cable Feeds (thru which 84 percent of the present viewers get there
primary TV from,,,).

Dear Sock-Puppet:

When you posted under your previous incarnation of , I
stated that your predictions were bogus, and offered to back that
statement with a $1000 wager.

Rather than accept the challenge, you cowardly abandoned AZV14 for your
current alias of "common_ sense".

I repeat the challenge: put up your money, and let subsequent events
decide who gets the $2000 pot.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

will all current tv sets become obsolete?

In article "Elmo P. Shagnasty" writes:

Which is another beef I have with today's OTA digital. They *don't*
care to do it. Nobody at the station is paying attention. They depend
upon viewers calling in when something goes wrong. No picture? No
sound? No signal? Oh, gee, thanks for letting us know.

I'm watching the local CBS affiliate *not* broadcast the channel info
and station ID correctly; I'm waiting to see how long it takes them, if
ever, to figure it out. Because NO ONE AT THE FREAKING STATION IS
TUNING IN THEIR OWN DIGITAL BROADCAST. Either that, or no one at the
station knows what to look for and nobody knows it's wrong.

Either get out of the mindset that this is an unimportant experiment and
start taking it seriously, or get out of the business.

A friend of mine suggests that most of the folks at the stations have no
understanding of what is going on with digital.

Clearly, from what one occasionaly sees, that is true.

Further, the stations don't really seem to want folks to contact them.
If they put a "direct to engineering for problem reports" number on their
web page, they might get useless calls, but they might also get the reports
that their signals have gone all black and silent.

As it is, some have "send message to the station" sections of their web
pages, but not all. Those that do, often don't include engineering.

None seem to provide an engineering reply that shows they understand what
is wrong. Most don't answer the messages at all --- I suspect they are never
even reading them.

Alan

will all current tv sets become obsolete?

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
In article ,
Dave Clary wrote:

One data point that does throw at least a little support behind your
theory: the owner of the local ABC affiliate has played hard-ball
with the cable company for years. They've pulled their signal off
three times in the last 10 years over money disputes. The hold up
this last time was that Time Warner wanted to include their digital/HD
signal in the deal. The local wanted more $$$$s to do that and
wouldn't cave. So now their signal is up and running, and luckily I
can pick it up with an indoor antenna--Saturday night college football
in HD!! But it still isn't on the cable system and it probably won't
be until Time-Warner opens up the check book.

The exact same scenario is playing out here.

The ABC affiliate has an agreement with one of our wired cable companies
in town, but not with the other one--Time Warner.

A friend of mine finally got ****ed off enough at this situation that he
started calling both of them, and finally got TW to give him his digital
cable with HD channels and HD DVR and 6 megabit broadband for $60/month
for the next 12 months.

TW is paying for this situation, make no mistake.

They will pay more later when broadcasters get a better modulation and
withhold their content from all cable and satellite.

Bob Miller

will all current tv sets become obsolete?

The issue is, the OTA local broadcasters can send out 1 free HD feed,
or 5 SD feeds (not both)

Not true. KQED does a HD feed on -1, and 3 SD feeds in the evening. I am
sure the HD is compromised but the point is it is NOT either or. They can
mix it up.

will all current tv sets become obsolete?

"Larry Vanerwegen" wrote:

The issue is, the OTA local broadcasters can send out 1 free HD feed,
or 5 SD feeds (not both)

Not true. KQED does a HD feed on -1, and 3 SD feeds in the evening. I am
sure the HD is compromised but the point is it is NOT either or. They can
mix it up.

Severely compromised, you are watching Wide Screen SD if they are
doing that.

will all current tv sets become obsolete?