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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
Dude, see my previous posting. Our NBC affiliate is broadcasting
weather, but they're the only one. The ABC affiliate and its sister Fox
affiliate, both Sinclair stations, are not doing weather. The ABC
affiliate is doing reruns on its second channel, and the Fox affiliate
is doing a music video channel for its second channel.

So, Sinclair is a sleazy broadcaster. What else is new? We all knew
that.

Fortunately, most people in this country don't have to suffer with
Sinclair.

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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
no, but I *did* manage to refute your contention that "the only thing on
the SD feed is weather data if they actually thought they could make
money showing....reruns on it". Apparently, many broadcasters DO think
they can make money showing reruns on it.

No, it is one broadcaster: Sinclair.

We already know that Sinclair is sleazy and corrupt. Witness their
censorship of Nightline, and their pre-empting of prime time network
programming to broadcast an anti-Kerry diatribe just before the elections.
[For the record, I am a conservative Republican; but I call sleaze for
what it is even if it might match my personal politics.]

Fortunately, most people don't have to suffer with Sinclair.

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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 12:58:58 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

In article [email protected],
Wes Newell wrote:

Actaully they can send 1 HD and 1 SD feed, and most of them here do that
now. I find it very strange that the only thing on the SD feed is weather
data if they actually thought they could make money showing I love Lucy
reruns on it.:-)

Dude, see my previous posting. Our NBC affiliate is broadcasting
weather, but they're the only one. The ABC affiliate and its sister Fox
affiliate, both Sinclair stations, are not doing weather. The ABC
affiliate is doing reruns on its second channel, and the Fox affiliate
is doing a music video channel for its second channel.

And this matters how? I don't see you mention anything about a major
network station not broadcasting HD and only 5 SD channels as he says.

no, but I *did* manage to refute your contention that "the only thing on
the SD feed is weather data if they actually thought they could make
money showing....reruns on it". Apparently, many broadcasters DO think
they can make money showing reruns on it.


So 1 out of about ten doing it is many?

Get your head out of the sand and acknowledge what's going on around you.

Whos's got their head in the sand?:-)

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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
no, but I *did* manage to refute your contention that "the only thing on
the SD feed is weather data if they actually thought they could make
money showing....reruns on it". Apparently, many broadcasters DO think
they can make money showing reruns on it.
No, it is one broadcaster: Sinclair.
So? That you don't approve of the broadcaster for whatever reasons
doesn't nullify the fact that they think they can make money from it.

One broadcaster does not constitute "many broadcasters".

Whether or not Sinclair makes money from the practice is yet to be seen.
Sinclair has been reliably on the losing minority side of digital TV
issues in the US, and it is no great surprise that this continues.

SBGI's stock hasn't been doing all that well. It's dropped about 2/3 of
its value since 1998, and the overall trend has been downward. In the
past 12 months, it's underperformed the S&P 500 by 10%, and its earnings
growth has been -7.07% while other TV broadcasters enjoyed 14.4% growth.

Sinclair is also still in hot water with the FCC over its evasion of
regulations on station ownership though Cunningham Broadcasting (nee
Glencairn, Ltd.). Purportedly, Cunningham is an independent broadcaster,
but all its stations are operated by Sinclair and most of its stock is
owned by the same family that owns Sinclair. How that all winds up
remains to be seen.

The bottom line is that you need to find an example of a more reputable
and successful broadcaster to back up your arguments. Sinclair does not
fit the bill.

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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
Dude, see my previous posting. Our NBC affiliate is broadcasting
weather, but they're the only one. The ABC affiliate and its sister Fox
affiliate, both Sinclair stations, are not doing weather. The ABC
affiliate is doing reruns on its second channel, and the Fox affiliate is
doing a music video channel for its second channel.

So, Sinclair is a sleazy broadcaster. What else is new? We all knew
that.

Fortunately, most people in this country don't have to suffer with
Sinclair.

for two years, Sinclair here in Richmond broadcast on their DT side a snowy,
ghosty digitized off-the-air-with rabbit ears copy of their analog signal -
in ultra-low power no less.

not even a real SD signal

sleazy indeed

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In article [email protected],
Wes Newell wrote:

Actaully they can send 1 HD and 1 SD feed, and most of them here do that
now. I find it very strange that the only thing on the SD feed is weather
data if they actually thought they could make money showing I love Lucy
reruns on it.:-)

In Austin, there are three weather feeds (two are identical, but one
recently has a ghost of another picture, presumably from interference in
a microwave link somewhere), and PBS has HD+SD. There are two stations
running HD only, and one (the Spanish language station) running SD only.

In San Antonio, IIRC there are two weather feeds, the Transguide LPTV
traffic camera channel, two Spanish language stations in SD on the same
transmitter, a music video channel (TheTube, which seems to play mostly
'80s videos like classic MTV/VH1 minus the VJs), PBS which runs
4xSD/HD+SD an HD-only channel, and another SD-only Spanish language
channel.

The station with MyTV+TheTube (no other subchannels) is a Sinclair
station. I don't recall seeing any advertisements on TheTube, but it
was only recently added, and I'm only down there once or twice a month.
At least it's watchable, unlike most reports of Sinclair subchannel crap.

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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
In article [email protected],
Wes Newell wrote:
Apparently, many broadcasters DO think
they can make money showing reruns on it.
So 1 out of about ten doing it is many?
You never said "many". Quit trying to twist this around and ignore your
own words.

He didn't say "many". You did.d

Your head is stuck in the sand because you don't want to acknowledge the
real world around you.

We can stipulate that there is such a thing as sleaze in the real world.
But sleaze does not equate to mainstream; and what sleaze does can not be
interpreted as mainstream either.

There is no, nada, zip, evidence that mainstream broadcasters are choosing
to multiplex SD channels rather than broadcast in HD with possible an SD
subchannel or two.

Sinclair is not mainstream. Televangelists are not mainstream.
Shop-at-home are not mainstream. PBS is not mainstream either.

All of these have some other master to serve besides the market.

Americans vote with "more is better". You may not like it, but John Q.
Public responds to that.

Perhaps in Illinois (which seems to be where you are located) that is the
case. That can not be generalized to the entire country.

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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
Whether or not Sinclair makes money from the practice is yet to be seen.
So that would be a great place to stop the discussion, because nothing
has shaken out yet.

Sorry, you can't sleaze out that easily.

You claimed that "many broadcasters" are doing it and "making money" from
doing it; but your only evidence is Sinclair and by your own admission you
don't know if they are making money by doing it.

The counter-argument are all the other, mainstream, broadcasters around
the country which are NOT doing it.

Your claim that "many broadcasters" are doing it and "making money" from
doing it remains utterly unproven and is called into question by
substantial contrary evidence.

No, all I have to do is find that Sinclair (a) continues to do business,
and (b) makes money doing what they're doing.

No, because you said "many broadcasters". "One" does not constitute
"many".

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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Bruce Tomlin wrote:
In Austin, there are three weather feeds (two are identical, but one
recently has a ghost of another picture, presumably from interference in
a microwave link somewhere), and PBS has HD+SD. There are two stations
running HD only, and one (the Spanish language station) running SD only.

I'm glad that I live in civilization.

In Seattle, are all of the mainstream channels are in HD:

Channel Network Primary Secondary
4 ABC HD
5 NBC HD SD weather
7 CBS HD SD airport webcam
9 PBS SD alternates 3SD with SD/HD
11 The CW HD
13 FOX HD
16 ind HD SD mirror of HD
22 MNTV HD SD (The Tube)

From the point of view of most people in Seattle, these are the only
channels in analog, and that carried over into digital.

The other channels are a motley crew of televangelists, shop-at-home,
second-rate PBS, and failed network wannabee. Here's where you find
multiplexing out the wazoo. None of them have particularly good analog
signals. In fact, Daystar is Seattle's first digital-only broadcaster
having shut down their analog broadcasts on 56 last spring.

Channel Network Primary Secondary
20 TBN SD 4SD (all televangelism)
28 PBS SD 3SD (second-rate PBS channel)
33 PAX/i SD 3SD (two televangelism)
42 Daystar SD 3SD (none active)
45 Jewelry SD
51 ShopNBC SD

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